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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 01:37 PM
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Health Reform: Where Obama Went Wrong
author--Leonard Rodberg


--snip--

The President’s Fateful Choice

Sixty percent of all Americans get their health insurance from private insurers, mostly through their employers, with some buying it directly from insurance companies. About half as many — 87 million according to the latest report from the Census Bureau — are covered by Medicare (the federal program for the elderly and the disabled), Medicaid (the joint federal-state program for the poor), the VA, and other public programs.

However, when you look at who pays the bills, you find a very different picture: nearly half of all medical bills are paid by government, largely through Medicare and Medicaid, but also through support for community health centers, the VA, and so on. Private insurance accounts for barely a third of all health care spending. The reason is clear: government covers those who are most in need of medical care, the elderly and the poor, while private insurance covers the healthy part of the population, those who are working.

When Obama decided to tackle health care reform, he could have chosen to build it upon either the public or the private systems. He said he wanted to build on what works, and he could have proposed expanding the public programs we now have to cover everyone (or everyone who wanted that kind of coverage). These programs work, and they work well. Instead, he chose to base his program on for-profit private insurance, the part of our health financing system that is most expensive and deficient. He chose the private path, and, as Robert Frost said, that has made all the difference. No plan that rests on multiple weakly regulated for-profit insurance companies can possibly achieve the goals he has set out and still claims his plan will achieve.

--snip--


The Public Alternative

The alternative that Obama might have chosen is the public route to real health care reform, using Rep. John Conyers’ Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act, HR 676. This plan is straightforward. It would expand the existing Medicare program so that everyone would be covered via automatic enrollment, just as seniors are automatically covered now when they turn 65. It would provide comprehensive benefits, much improved over the existing Medicare program, which has deductibles and co-pays that keep many seniors from getting the care they need. It would allow free choice of doctor and hospital, which would remain independent, as they are now. A public agency would process and pay the bills, and the system would be financed through a progressive tax.

--snip--


Conclusion

Private health insurance is a defective product that needs an expensive fix. By building his program on private insurance, President Obama has tied himself to a system that is too expensive and is unlikely to achieve the goals he has set. It will not lead to universal coverage and cannot contain costs going into the future.

On the other hand, an expanded Medicare for All system can provide comprehensive services while costing no more than we now spend, and it provides real mechanisms for containing costs. Should a private mandate plan be passed, the problems of the health care system will not go away. Real health care reform will continue to be essential. As costs continue to climb faster than incomes, health care will absorb a larger and larger fraction of our national livelihood. At some point, we will have to move to a unified public mechanism for funding health care that will be truly sustainable.



http://www.tikkun.org/article.php/nov_dec_09_rodberg

emphasis added
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 01:51 PM
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1. But going only public would have killed too many jobs.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 01:56 PM
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3. That makes no sense. We could take the trillion we saved and hire those people for productive work
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 12:06 PM
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22. like a new green infrastructure, for one.
opportunities lost.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 02:00 PM
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5. no. Research has shown that HR 676 would have created jobs
and stimulated our horrible economy. Cites available.
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change_notfinetuning Donating Member (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 06:50 PM
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16. Which jobs in particular? Be more specific.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 01:45 AM
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17. Everyone who has been laid off so that the survivors could keep being insured
--could be hired back. According to the CA Nurses, that is 2.6 million jobs to offset a loss of 500,000 in the insurance industry.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:41 AM
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31. If we are not wasting money propping up the parasitic insurers with
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 01:43 AM by truedelphi
Their penchant to deny those insured real treatmensts, while awarding huge bonus pay to all their executives, then that amount of money could be spent onn things like infrastructure, on bullet trains, on soalrizing class rooms, hospitals, fire stations etc.

The People of the USA need to have the OWNERSHIP of the health care of the nation, in the same way that the Canadians, Scandanavians and the Europeans and Brits all have ownership of their health care.

Instead, we never really got a debate over the HUGE HUGE INFLATED PRICES that the people are charged -- for everything from a $ 3,000 ER visit wherein nothing happens except a doctor (Who presumedly would be on duty anyway) talks to someone for ten minutes.) to people who are charged not one, not twice, but THREE times for their infant son's circumcision.

Example, ywo years back, if my spouse and I were not forced to pay $ 957 a month for COBRA (Or be without insurance) we could take any savings from a more realistic price and put that into revamping the van's engine with an all abttery engine - no gas needed. But instead the money was needed I guess for the CEO's of Kaiser, as in my case most of what they did was stall me off the needed procedures my body required, while they waitied for my COBRA to run out.

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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 08:53 AM
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32. yep... we got a turd when we asked for, and were led to believe we'd get, adequate health CARE
All for the benefit of the health insurance and Pharma execs, plus the stockholders etc...

Sad, sad, sad.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 05:29 PM
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42. The reality is the for-profit health care system is too expensive to survive. Only a matter of time
27% of hospital costs are administrative costs of dealing with Health insurers to obtain payment. Doctors expenses 40% for administrative costs of dealing with health insurers.

This is why our health care system costs about twice the average of all the other industrialized countries.

Take out all the administrative costs of trying to get paid and you cut our health care costs roughly in half.


We need to have these people engaged in productive work. We can't afford this game anymore.

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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 01:53 PM
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2. HR3200 is a Republican Bill based on Republican principles. It's a"market based solution"
and it looks nothing like the greet Democratic achievements that define our party, like Medicare and Social Security. Those are government run programs that are tax funded.

HR3200 The House Heath Care Bill Is a Republican Bill
It is the medical equivalent of Bush' "reform" of Social Security. ie "market based solution." Code for Republican.

HR3200 The House Heath Care Bill Is a Republican Bill.
It's close relative is Romney Care, the system put in when Mitt was Gov of Massachusetts. It a failure that is raising quickly in cost. People benefits are being cut.

Just say NO to Republican Solutions!

We need a Democratic Health Care Bill.



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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 02:06 PM
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7. agreed.
I'm beyond disgusted. Who needs Repugs when you have "Democrats" like these.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 01:58 PM
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4. My rec was #5 and this went to Greatest. The unreccers are at work again. n/t
It is incredibly sad to witness the mean-spiritedness and proud ignorance of the few.


Soon, they will be irrelevant. Keep pushing, people.

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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 02:02 PM
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6. no problem, they're mean-spirited and ill-informed I imagine.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 02:35 PM
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10. Fear motivates regressive types. They are afraid of information. They would prefer to
limit certain information as much as they possible can.

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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 01:26 PM
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24. Just remember that anyone with a computer can sign on here, so we certainly have plenty
of undercover Insurance types doing their best to undermine the information dissemination and discussion.

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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 02:10 PM
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8. Chalk it up as yet another time the liberals were right...
...but universally ignored in favor of pursuing conservative policies that have never, ever succeeded. We live in fucking bizarro world.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 02:23 PM
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9. yeah.... and unfortunately we're dealing with people's lives/welfare here....
It's worth raising hell about.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 02:40 PM
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11. well, that's assuming that O's really a liberal struggling with obstructionists
not the guy who invokes state secrets and hired Rahm, Geithner, McChrystal, Gates, and tried to hire "the willy is the locus of mathematical ability" Summers...
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 02:55 PM
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12. is O a "blue" corporate dog? I've been asking myself that these past weeks.....
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 03:02 PM
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13. 'Obama has tied himself to a system that is too expensive and unlikely to achieve the goals he set.'
Sometimes, the truth is so evident, pure and clear, that it blinds those who will not see.




Leonard Rodberg writes, Health Reform: Where Obama Went Wrong



President Obama's health reform plan is in trouble. Public support for it is only lukewarm; both Left and Right oppose it. Pundits and editorial writers complain that Obama has turned the issue over to Congress, or that he hasn't explained the plan well enough. He and his staff have been working closely with many members of Congress from the very beginning, and he has described his plan repeatedly and in many forums -- and no one questions that he is a superb communicator. And yet disquiet and confusion persist. What has gone wrong?

.....

When Obama decided to tackle health care reform, he could have chosen to build it upon either the public or the private systems. He said he wanted to build on what works, and he could have proposed expanding the public programs we now have to cover everyone (or everyone who wanted that kind of coverage). These programs work, and they work well. Instead, he chose to base his program on for-profit private insurance, the part of our health financing system that is most expensive and deficient. He chose the private path, and, as Robert Frost said, that has made all the difference. No plan that rests on multiple weakly regulated for-profit insurance companies can possibly achieve the goals he has set out and still claims his plan will achieve.

.....

In an op-ed published in the New York Times on August 16, the president claimed that "if you don't have health insurance, you will have a choice of high-quality, affordable coverage for yourself and your family." However, as put forward in slightly differing versions by five congressional committees, nothing in his plan guarantees that the insurance offered by these private companies will be either "high-quality" or "affordable."

Currently, the average premium paid by employers for a family policy is $13,375; by 2013, when this plan would go into effect, insurance is sure to be even more costly. Insurance plans will have to meet new requirements, including no exclusions for pre-existing medical conditions, no co-pays for preventive care, annual limits on cost-sharing (co-pays and deductibles) of $5,000 for individuals and $10,000 for families, and no limits on lifetime coverage. All of these requirements, while desirable, will make insurance policies even more expensive. What many are beginning to realize, and to find objectionable, is that the plan does not regulate premiums, deductibles, or co-pays, so we will be required to buy insurance from companies that can charge us whatever they choose.

Employment-based insurance will be otherwise unchanged. Employers will still be able to change the coverage and the plan they offer their employees. Insurers can still change their provider networks, dropping or adding physicians and hospitals. Employees are still locked into their jobs if they want to keep their current plan. But now, employees must accept their employer's plan; the individual mandate requires it.

But won't the vaunted "public option" address some of these problems? The original "robust" plan would have provided real competition to the private insurers. It would have had open enrollment -- anyone could have joined. Like Medicare, it would have been backed by the federal government, and, according to the best estimates, nearly 120 million people would have joined it. Such a large public program could have had an enormous impact in reducing costs and leading to an efficient restructuring of health care delivery.

However, what even the most progressive committees in Congress are proposing is something very different. Enrollment in this public plan will be restricted to the uninsured and the smallest employers. The plan must be self-sustaining, following the same rules as private insurers and receiving no federal subsidy. And, as the president himself has said, the best estimate is that barely 5 percent of the American people will join it. The 800-pound gorilla has been turned into a mouse!

.....

In his New York Times op-ed, Obama went on to claim that "reform will finally bring skyrocketing health care costs under control." But nothing in the plan directly cuts costs. In fact, this plan will increase the overall cost of the health care system by hundreds of billions of dollars as millions of Americans who now have no insurance purchase policies from the insurance companies. The director of the Congressional Budget Office has said, "We do not see the sort of fundamental changes that would be necessary to reduce federal health spending by a significant amount." Instead, the plan relies on reducing waste and inefficiency in Medicare and Medicaid, on competition among insurance companies, and on a series of innovations -- computerization, chronic disease management, and new ways of providing and paying for medical services such as the "medical home" -- that are certain to cost added billions for the next few years and may, or may not, eventually produce some savings.

Then how will the plan be paid for? In his September 9 speech to Congress, Obama said "most of this plan can be paid for by finding savings within the existing health care system." Taxes on "Cadillac" health insurance, reductions in planned Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements to hospitals and other providers; cuts in subsidies to Medicare Advantage plans (the private plans that provide insurance to Medicare recipients); and reduced waste and fraud in Medicare and Medicaid are counted on to yield the necessary funds.

Congress is envisioning devoting nearly $1 trillion to this program over ten years. Unfortunately, even this substantial sum is not nearly enough to enable everyone to buy insurance under this plan. According to the Congressional Budget Office, between 17 million and 25 million people will need "hardship waivers" and will remain uninsured. So the designers of this plan have failed to achieve even their most basic goal.

.....

The alternative that Obama might have chosen is the public route to real health care reform, using Rep. John Conyers' Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act, HR 676. This plan is straightforward. It would expand the existing Medicare program so that everyone would be covered via automatic enrollment, just as seniors are automatically covered now when they turn 65. It would provide comprehensive benefits, much improved over the existing Medicare program, which has deductibles and co-pays that keep many seniors from getting the care they need. It would allow free choice of doctor and hospital, which would remain independent, as they are now. A public agency would process and pay the bills, and the system would be financed through a progressive tax.

Numerous studies conducted over the past several decades have shown that -- in sharp contrast to a plan that relies on private, for-profit insurance companies -- such a simplified, publicly funded system would cost no more than we are now spending. Estimates based on a number of studies performed over the last decade suggest that covering the uninsured and improving the coverage of the underinsured, including eliminating co-pays and deductibles, would cost about $250 billion each year. On the other hand, the reduction in the cost of insurance administration (Medicare averages 3 percent overhead, while insurance companies average 20 percent) -- along with savings in hospital and doctor billing costs, savings from bulk purchasing, and savings from the better coordination of care that a single funding source could achieve -- will yield even more than that in savings. The excess could be used to retrain those who are now processing insurance bills, so they could begin doing useful work.

A Medicare for All program could be paid for in many ways. The simplest would be through a payroll tax in which, for instance, employees would pay between 4 percent and 5 percent of their paycheck while employers would pay between 8 percent and 10 percent. For both employers and employees, this would be a significant saving compared to what they're paying now.

Further, a Medicare for All program, unlike the congressional plans now on the table, offers real tools for containing costs in the future. These include the use of annual budgets, especially for hospitals; the planning of capital investment; and an emphasis on primary care, coordination of care, and more cost-efficient ways of paying for physician services.




.....



Conclusion


Private health insurance is a defective product that needs an expensive fix. By building his program on private insurance, President Obama has tied himself to a system that is too expensive and is unlikely to achieve the goals he has set. It will not lead to universal coverage and cannot contain costs going into the future.

On the other hand, an expanded Medicare for All system can provide comprehensive services while costing no more than we now spend, and it provides real mechanisms for containing costs. Should a private mandate plan be passed, the problems of the health care system will not go away. Real health care reform will continue to be essential. As costs continue to climb faster than incomes, health care will absorb a larger and larger fraction of our national livelihood. At some point, we will have to move to a unified public mechanism for funding health care that will be truly sustainable.





Leonard Rodberg is professor and chair of urban studies at Queens College, City University of New York, and research director of the NY Metro Chapter of Physicians for a National Health Program.


Thanks to DU'er nightrain for posting.



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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 03:14 PM
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14. you are very welcome. People need to know where Obama went off course....
so we can keep pushing for true universal affordable healthcare.
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ProleNoMore Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 05:44 PM
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15. It Should Be Self-Evident By The Resulting Congressional Bills That Obama Misjudged Badly
Edited on Sat Oct-31-09 05:45 PM by ProleNoMore
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:20 AM
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18. yeah.... what about this supposed masterful chess game he was playing?
where is that now?
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ProleNoMore Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:29 AM
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19. The Only Remaining Chess Move One Can Conjure Is A Signing Statement
That significantly alters what comes from Congress.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 11:16 AM
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20. that and the Kucinich amendment I guess. Otherwise if O signs
we're stuck for a while... sad and still scary prospect.

Petition to Pelosi for the Kucinich amendment---
http://www.democrats.com/state-single-payer?cid=ZGVtczExMTIwNGRlbXM%3D
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ProleNoMore Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 11:23 AM
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21. Yes, Too True - I Have Already Signed The Linked Petition
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 12:56 PM
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23. I don't think Obama went wrong at all
This was intended from the start. If he misjudged anything, it was how loudly the progressives would scream about this con job.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:47 PM
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25. perhaps it was meant to go in this direction from the get-go... I
think for the Nation as a whole and for all of us it is a "wrong" direction. Not that he can be drawn back. Perhaps the ego is too invested in the "power" of the office to make a course-correction.

It doesn't bode too well, AFAIK. I'll keep on holding his/their feet to the fire, as I see the diversions...
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 03:21 PM
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27. Wait until they roll out the financial "reform" package
You'll pine for the transparency and honesty of the health care debate.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 04:14 PM
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28. horrible prospect... start saving for emigration to a more humane society
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:57 PM
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26. I agree.
It's like saying how incompetent the * admin was with the wars, the economy, etc. Everything went according to plan then, and that plan hasn't changed one bit today.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 04:17 PM
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34. That is my conclusion also.
He is one smart smart cookie. He out bested everyone running against him -- including Hillary, in part because he had staff that explained to his campaign what the laws and sub set of laws were regarding primary campaigns state by state. Last year, his campaign got it right in places like Texas, where his team understood legal code better than hers did.

That was one reason I voted for him - he took the time to pay attention.

Then somehow, after being elected, I am supposed to believe that rather than get a health bill hat will really be to his credit, (Something that LBJ would have done in his sleep) President Obama HAD TO run around the nation, talking with the RW nut jobs, because of his all important desire to be bipartisan.

And when Jon Stewart parsed Obama's talking points, it was obvious that the President had the weakest talking points ever. Including, "Well, uh, the public option is only one of many tools we have for the health insurance bill, and it may not even end up in the final draft."

What A CROCK! I have to believe that this was intentional.

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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:21 PM
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35. perhaps you're correct. yeah, he supposedly is "smart". Could something else be operating?
Something that ProleNoMore said really has hit home, along with my recall of an article from the summer about Obama's internal dynamics around conflict--

ProleNoMore-- from over the weekend--

"One Must Remember That Obama's Rhetoric And Action Are Disjoint

The Rhetoric is alive with hope and change.

The Action is replete with reconciliation and appeasement.

It is as if the man is at war with himself.

How can one so conflicted be expected to stand firm and act?"



and then this on Huffington Post--

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/character-of-barack-obama_b_251186.html

Two sentences from the article really caught my attention--"The strange thing about Obama is that he seems to suppose a community can pass directly from the sense of real injustice to a full reconciliation between the powerful and the powerless, without any of the unpleasant intervening collisions. This is a choice of emphasis that suits his temperament."


I think both of these can, at least partially, explain the poor results we've gotten on healthcare...





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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 07:24 PM
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36. Making inane comemnt so I have time to read the Huffing. article
Later.

Thanks night train (Am on way out the door.)
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 09:31 PM
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37. great, I look forward to continuing...
I have ProleNoMore's permission to use his ideas in an original post which I might write in the next few days about this approach...
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 02:06 AM
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38. I found the Huffington article interesting, and liked
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 02:09 AM by truedelphi
Reading about Alinsky's methods.

However, I am not at all sure that anyone as smart as Obama would really go around the nation and act like a "Moderator" or a "Community organizer." Once you are in the Oval Office, it is your responsibility to be the President. It is hard for me to handle the notion that Obama thinks a President's first duty is to convince the 17% of the nation that did not vote for him (and never would) of the issues. And to meanwhile ignore the majority of Americans, 62% who had voted for him and 65 to 76% of whom would like some type of Universal Single Payer or Medicare for All.

To me, the only reason he went around talking to the RW nut jobs was so that he could fan the flames of the manufactured chaos. And at that flame-fanning, he did succeed and quite well. But he did not succeed in explaining health care reform.

And there is at least one place in the article wherein the author indicates that a President has to bring about the advancement of the public's perception, so that the public agrees with him. And that then and only then can the President proceed. I am not sure why the author would state this. Although it is true that the Republican base did not understand the position of the majority on health care reform, Obama pretended that winning over the Republican base was essential in order for him to even begin to frame out the final form of the Health Care Reform issue.

Wouldn't we all be far better off if Obama had not been so damn conciliatory? If he had simply stuck to his promises to us while he ran for election last year. By promises, I mean the BIG PROMISES, like "Change we can believe in," and "If I am elected, I will see that Washington no longer carries on with its 'business as usual' " Obama suggested that there would not be lobbyists running things, and then over the past summer he holds $ 30,000 lunches which only those of the lobbyist ilk can afford to attend. While the Goldman Sachs folks got selected to run The Treasury and The Federal Reserve -- htat is certainly not any type of "Change we can believe in," unless we happen to be heirs of J P Morgan, or Goldman or Sachs.

Or maybe he wasn't pretending. Maybe he really believes that he needs to convince every single American of any position before he will proceed. But in any event, his talking points on th4e health care reform issue were so insubstantial that it was hard to see why he was even bothering to go out there addressing the issue.

Like Jon Stewart brought out back in mid August, when a Boulder CO college student asked a question about the public option and how it might undermine the stability of the health insurance industry, Obama waffled in his response. "Uh, well, the public option is just one tool we have, and no one knows if it will even be in the final version of the HCR bill." Some talking point that one.

Can you imagine Bush saying something that wishy washy back when he was lying us into war. "Uh well some say that Saddam Hussein is a bad guy, some say he isn't, so maybe we should fight a war, but gosh, if you don't think we should, Mr College Student, I'll see if I can amend my policy so it is more to your liking."

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change_notfinetuning Donating Member (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 04:14 AM
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40. I'd love to hear Alinsky's critique of Obama's first year. As fast as Alinsky
must be spinning in his grave, it's too bad we can't harness all that energy and provide electricity for a few cities.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:41 PM
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41. I am sure that in Alinsky's Methods of Community Leadership
If you win You friggin' win.

You do not stall. You do not run around and ask permission from the 17% of those who would never agree with you. (Nor do you wait for their agreement.) You go forth and create the programs that your mandate allows you too.

And that is doubly true if the Office in question is that of President. Then you need to get out there with the ball and score some points before the illegal refs help steal the ball back for the other team.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 05:28 PM
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29. Obama sold what's left of his soul to please the health industry
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 05:29 PM by katandmoon
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 05:35 PM
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30. Too late to Rec, but here's a kick...
:thumbsup:
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UtilityCurve Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 03:26 PM
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33. Medicare Works?
Here's the part I have always had trouble with: "Medicare works."

In the narrow sense of the 65-and-over group getting hospitalization insurance universally and office visit copayment optionally, yes.

But the program is not actuarily sound: Despite the fact that the government dictates the reimbursement rates (and they are generally lower than anything a private insurer pays) to suppliers, the program still isn't sound. A large number of Medicare insureds are entering an ever-lengthening period of insurance (due to increasing longevity, no small part of that attributable to Medicare itself!) while a smaller percentage of the population pays into the fund relative to the percentage benefiting from the fund.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Medicare could survive being put on an actuarily sound footing (paygo, for example). Estimatimg future expenses, even with the ability to control prices, has failed miserably, so building up sufficient surpluses to offset future deficits simply doesn't work: We get it wrong every time!

The only way to make Medicare work (for recipients and for Medicare taxpayers) is to decide on an annual expenditure (in dollars), tax accordingly and dictate prices of services to make the math work. Politically, given that the over-65-set is a reliable voting bloc (extrenely high participation rates), one can expect that imbalances will be dealt with with increased annual expenditure and taxes, when the cohort grows or becomes sicker or new medical technologies or drugs appear, rather than even lower prices (doctors and hospital workers vote, too).

Please, would someone tell me why everyone seems so sanguine about Medicare?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 02:35 AM
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39. there's an easier way
Just means test Medicare. People with a certain level of assets should not be asking taxpayers to be the first payer of their medical bills.

At the eligibility date, just have them file a declaration of their assets. If they are over the standard (whatever it might be), refund their contributions and let them go buy insurance for themselves.

It's really simple.

Of course, a skeptic would realize that Medicare was invented to put the burden of elder care on taxpayers and free insurers from that responsibility.
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