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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:58 PM
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Obama would make a great nineteenth century president....
Obama would make a great nineteenth century president. You know, all those guys with names you can never remember, because they pretty much didn't really do anything? Back in those days, Congress was king, and presidents - except during wartime - were essentially glorified clerks, executing the Congressional will, as per their Constitutional duty. That's certainly one way to do it. It's just that it pretty much isn't what people have come to want and expect for the last century or so. And it sure as hell isn't what Obama promised in the election.

But he has really specialized in being an acted-upon object, rather than a political protagonist, despite possessing the most powerful position in the world, commanding majorities in Congress, an initially adoring public wishing him tons of good will, and all manner of crises to warrant if not demand bold action. In his reticence he is not only carrying forward a fine Democratic Party tradition of recent decades, but in fact refining it into an art form. The pattern works like this: Republicans charge like bulls through china shops and grab the mantle of power, proceeding then to ram their program through, no matter the casualties. When they reach levels of greed, corruption and failure so excessive that even comatose Americans can no longer stand it, some effete Democratic stooge named Carter or Clinton or Obama is called in to hold down the fort long enough for the regressives to regroup and start the cycle again. But Obama in action - better rendered as 'Obama's inaction' - makes Clinton look like a litter full of Mike Tysons crammed into an overheated pressure chamber by comparison.

It's astonishing how Democrats can never seem to block anything the hard-right wants to do, even when they have majorities, while the GOP kills everything the Democrats supposedly want, even with minuscule minorities in Congress. Gee, one could almost get the impression that Democrats don't really want anything much different from Republicans, but just have to adopt a different alt-persona to hide their intentions from the public. Republicans use guns, god, gays and Gaddafi as distractions from corporate looting. Democrats strap on their cardigan sweaters and try really, really hard to do something, but gosh-darned it, just never seem to get anywhere.

As for our friend Mr. Obama, he seems busy unlearning every lesson of the last three decades. He doesn't appear worried that the right will challenge his legitimacy as president 'cause, of course, they never did that to Carter or Clinton. He doesn't seem worried that they'll happily destroy the country if necessary in order to wreck his presidency because, of course, there's little precedent for that. He doesn't much care to use the bully pulpit and strong-arm Congress to get what he wants because, of course, that never got Reagan or Bush anywhere.

I can't believe I'd ever say this, but the question Obama should be asking right about now, is "What would Bush do?"

I'll tell ya what. He'd jam his legislation down the throats of the other party, putting the fear of god in them if they dared to oppose the emperor. He's rip people's lungs out and stuff them back through their eye sockets if they looked at him cross-eyed. He'd lie to members of his own party and carpet bomb their entire home neighborhoods if they dared vote against him. If any media talking head didn't tell the lies they were programmed to speak, he'd kidnap their kids and send them to Gitmo, treating them a good waterboarding for every one of their birthdays. And, he'd call in Rove to stomp some people good, the nice Republican way.

What would that look like? Here's journalist Ron Suskind relating an inside taste of what he observed while waiting outside the Ol' Karl's office for an interview, back when he was running the White House political operation: "Rove was talking to an aide about some political stratagem in some state that had gone awry and a political operative who had displeased him. I paid it no mind and reviewed a jotted list of questions I hoped to ask. But after a moment, it was like ignoring a tornado flinging parked cars. 'We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!' As a reporter, you get around--curse words, anger, passionate intensity are not notable events--but the ferocity, the bellicosity, the violent imputations were, well, shocking. This went on without a break for a minute or two. Then the aide slipped out looking a bit ashen, and Rove, his face ruddy from the exertions of the past few moments, looked at me and smiled a gentle, Clarence-the-Angel smile. 'Come on in.' And I did. And we had the most amiable chat for a half hour."

Why won't Obama do this? Why won't he unleash all the powers at his disposal, knock heads together, and smash political opponents to smithereens in order to get his way? Two reasons. First, he wasn't a complete personal screw-up for the last half century, acknowledged even by his own parents to be a total embarrassment. He therefore doesn't have the burning need to show the world they've been wrong about him his whole life, like a certain other fellow recently seen roaming the halls of the West Wing.

The other reason is that Obama doesn't actually appear to be doing anything that requires any particular toughness. He's not trying to sell a bullshit war or dismantle Social Security, like Bush. He's not trying to end legal and institutional racism in a country where it was as pervasive as bibles in 'Bama, like Lyndon Johnson did. He's not attempting to bring the country kicking and screaming into the twentieth century, even after it was already one-third over, like FDR was.

In fact, he doesn't really appear to be doing much of anything, including producing the much-vaunted 'change' we heard endlessly about during last year's campaign. Unless, of course, you count the nice demeanor with which he continues the predatory policies of Reagan, Clinton, and the Bushes. This is essentially George W. Bush's third term. It's Barry in the Bush with Smiles.

Obama more or less just seems to want to hang for a while, passively swaying in whatever winds happen to be blowing through at the moment. That might have worked in the 1950s, or even the 1970s, but not today. The brownshirts of the American right have been playing for keeps for some time now. And, while it's true that they can be their own worst enemy in normal times, these are hardly normal times. Failing to address the real economic pain people are feeling, failing to provide remotely meaningful healthcare reform, failing to clean-up the corporate predators slamming the public with bad mortgages, sky-high credit card interest rates and bailouts of the already rich - all of these are an invitation for some change Obama can believe in, especially in 2012. If he insists on being a political object, the right will gladly turn him into one. It will be a freakin' anvil too, not the fifth face on Mount Rushmore.

This is not kid's stuff. These mobsters are possessed of insatiable greed, and they are clever beyond belief at mobilizing the anxieties and inadequacies of a public already dumbed-down to a level of political immaturity that can barely keep pace with the amped-up fires of their personal rage to which it's dangerously coupled. How many re-run episodes of this mini-series do we need to see before we get clear on how it turns out?

The right is wrong on nearly everything, of course - the elites because they lie, and the shock troops because they're frightened of their own shadows and therefore find blessed relief in every possible palliative from the pope to Palin. But they are correct about Obama being a complete patsy. They like to bring that up in the foreign policy context, because it's good for scaring voters, and because it doesn't remind moderates of just who is actually rolling this punk here at home (a very fine example of which was provided by the cheers that went up from our nice super-patriots when America lost the Olympics bid). But the truth is that a movement that should have been discredited to the point of annihilation by its very own actions is now instead setting the agenda in Washington, and the guy who won the landslide seems busy trying to push the mud back up the hill so that he can be buried by it himself, instead of the people who pretty much literally want to kill him.

I really don't know what to say or think about this dude anymore. The way democracy is supposed to work is that his desire to hold office and the public's preference for certain policies should reinforce each other and impel us toward a mutually satisfying presidency. Instead, though, he trucks along seemingly oblivious to the fact that the exact opposite is occurring.

This country is sinking in every way imaginable, and he will be held to blame in 2010 and 2012.

And so he should be.

It's just that that will also mean the return of the monster set, absolutely foaming at the mouth after four years in the wilderness not holding the presidency to which they believe they're fully entitled to own.

And then Obama will join Clinton, running around the world making speeches and writing books. Maybe they'll even do joint appearances.

Thanks for that, Barack. You're a real patriot.

Oh well. At least you got the important stuff right.
You won't have ruffled any feathers while being president.

More of an interesting rant...whether one agrees or disagrees at......

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/24278
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:04 PM
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1. Unfairly judging this President 10 months in,
will leave the Smirking Chimp looking stupid.

I have patience...so I can wait for egg all over Smirking Chimp's face,
as well as all of the other premature ass naysayers.

yeah...he ain't done shit. He's just bidding his time.
He just sitting there, and allowing debate, and discussion,
before we move on to another issue.....

But yeah, sure...he should be asking himself "what would Bush do?"

Mmmm-Kay. :eyes:

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:07 PM
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2. Man, you and I agreeing on this shit. nt
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:17 PM
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3. K&U. Sorry, but I am not ready to give in. Not 9.5 months into this.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:25 PM
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4. I think there are few of us here who've been through all this who want to give up...but
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 06:26 PM by KoKo
something is very wrong with the people advising Obama. "Houston, We Have a Problem!"

Obama needs to know that those advising him have gone "off track" and that Obama himself promised to right the wrongs of Bush...and to Clean Up Government. Or, maybe I heard him wrong. Maybe many of us just heard what we wanted to hear. I don't think so...but, maybe that's what it was. :shrug:

What if in reality, Obama really has "RIGHTED" the "WRONGS" of Bushies...:scared:
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:26 PM
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5. I have concerns as well, but this prose is calling it a failed Presidency out of the gate.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:34 PM
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6. Not really... As I read it I saw the terrible disappointment of an Obama supporter trying to
show where he got "off-track." I didn't see it as some RW Hater/Freeper thing. It's from a professor who has written other articles and it's from "Smirking Chimp" which is hardly a "Politico" or "Free Republic" Website. :shrug:

As I said...I think it's worth a read whether one agrees or disagrees...but it certainly does point out some things that Dems and particularly Progressive Dems might want to think about.

We want Obama to succeed beyond ONE TERM. As a person who was around and thought my vote for Jimmy Carter would bring Democracy Back to America...you can understand I've been at this "Hope Thing" for a very long time. Maybe if both Carter and Clinton had had Dems on the INTERNET they might have been better Presidents.

If we don't nip the folks "running Obama" NOW...he will probably go the way of Carter or be besmerched like Clinton was with some "thong gal" sent out by CIA to entrap him. Obama now has a Network of Dems trying to "hold his back from the long knives." Yet...he doesn't seem to recognize he needs us.

This article is full of angst that many of us feel..who've been fighting since the late Clinton days through the STOLEN ELECTION 2000 and through the BUSH YEARS.

LISTEN...we aren't stupid about this...Old Dems from JFK and beyond who DO NOT WANT OBAMA TO FAIL...but, he's been listening to the WRONG PEOPLE.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:48 PM
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7. My goal isn't about whether he serves 2 terms.
My goal is turning around the economy and health care reform. If he accomplishes this and lasts 1 term, I am good with that.

I am not trying to downplay your concerns. I am a former early-adopter Deaniac who thinks Bill Clinton did more damage than good (NAFTA, repeal of Glass-Steagall, DOMA, DADT, etc....). I stand with the principles, not the people. I disagree with many of his leadership choices, but I am willing to let this work through the system that we have been dealt.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:06 PM
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8. I don't think you understood the angst of what I posted about voting for Carter/Clinton and the HOPE
You seem to be willing to settle for some "quarter loaf of bread" because it's the "best we can do" and forget all the Dems who worked buts off for YEARS/DECADES...for "Change we Can Believe In" and "Hope."

If you go back and view the Carter and Clinton speeches (available somewhere on You Tube) you will understand that some of us have been at this a very long time. If we see our new Dem President going down a road that will lead to a failure we now have a new tool of the INTERNET to try to KEEP HIM ON THE PATH!

Please don't forget the footsteps of those who have gone before and see "warning signals blaring."

Just saying.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:08 PM
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9. I'm in my 40s
I may not have been at this as long as you have, but please recognize that I have not been sitting on my butt this whole time.

I dedicate myself to causes, not people, as causes live on where the players change all the time.

I respect your opinion on this, I just don't share it.

:hi:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:23 PM
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10. I understand, but my point was not that you, personally were sitting on your butt...but that
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 07:23 PM by KoKo
we who are Dems can't collectively "sit on our butts" now that he's President and not expect he will get sidetracked by the very same evil foes that took down Carter and caused Clinton to give away the rest of the store in his second term after boondoggling him with NAFTA passage right after his Election!

:hi:

We folks from different era's have to Work Together to keep Obama on Track and get him away from the "Special Interests/Military/Media/Industrial/Globalists who've ruined our other Dem Presidents in the modern era.



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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:32 PM
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11. Understood!
(However, Clinton was WAY too excited about passing NAFTA for my taste).

:patriot:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:32 PM
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12. Oh Yes he definitely was...that's why I was worried about him...but he
gave great Populist Speeches and we were coming off some bad times losing jobs as the "great sucking sound" was already at work. My biggest disappointments with Clinton were NAFTA...laziness against RW and then in his second term...Monica and Glass-Steagall and give aways to Rubinomics.

So yes...It's been a long road.
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:59 PM
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13. Ya, we know
Hillary would have been a better choice. Get the fuck over it, she lost!
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