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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 06:36 PM
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Yesterday’s Compromise Is Tomorrow’s Triumph
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/08/yesterdays-compromise-is-tomorrows-triumph.php

Yesterday’s Compromise Is Tomorrow’s Triumph
Matthew Yglesias


Ed Kilgore makes the excellent point that what look today like the great progressive legislative triumphs of yesteryear look more like squalid and disappointing compromises at the time they were enacted:

As for Medicare and Medicaid, the idea that LBJ came up with a bold set of proposals and ram-rodded them through Congress is wrong by all sorts of measurements. It’s important to understand that however important these health care entitlements became, they were at the time clearly major compromises from the progressive commitment, first articulated by Harry Truman, to enact national health insurance. Medicare, obviously, was offered only to retirees, not all Americans–a distinction that is cherished as a matter of principle by those Medicare beneficiaries who today oppose universal health coverage. Medicaid was even more of a compromise, eschewing national health coverage for a crazy quilt system in which the states would largely determine eligibility and benefit levels, with coverage generally limited to low-income families with children.

Medicare and Medicaid also did not spring fully formed from LBJ’s head or his White House, and weren’t enacted via royal disdain for Congress and the petty fiefdoms of the committee system. Federal health insurance for retirees was narrowly defeated in the Senate in 1960 and in 1962. It finally passed the Senate in 1964, only to succumb in the House when Democratic Ways and Means Chairman Wilbur Mills refused to support it. It was finally enacted in 1965, but only after Mills shaped the legislation, and also added Medicaid, intended as a sop to Republicans and the AMA, which had long proposed health care subsidies for low-income families as an alternative to national health insurance.


One point here is that substantive policy outcomes are highly influenced by America’s political procedures. There was almost certainly enough progressive sentiment in public opinion and congress in the first half of the 1960s to have enacted a real national health plan if we had a system with fewer veto points. But thanks to the large number of veto points—sometimes you lose in the Senate, sometimes a powerful committee chairman beats you—the opportunity couldn’t be seized. Had we enacted universal health care in the 60s, Ronald Reagan would have no more undone it in the 1980s than he undid Medicare. But we didn’t. So you reach our present situation.

The other point for today is that you need to judge legislative outcomes relative to the status quo, not relative to what you enact in utopia. Medicare & Medicaid (especially the very stingy version of Medicaid that was initially created) were really pretty pathetic compared to what Harry Truman proposed. But they’ve done enormous good for a lot of people over the decades.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 06:45 PM
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1. Good point.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 07:22 PM
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2. Interesting perspective.
I still don't favor a bill that amounts to little more than a bail-out of the health insurance cartel.

:dem:

-Laelth
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 07:37 PM
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3. That's not a perspective, that's history. nt
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 07:40 PM
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4. I am neutral regarding history. It is what it is.
I have no reason to believe that Yglesias distorted it in his presentation.

:dem:

-Laelth
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PHIMG Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 12:42 AM
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5. Bullshit.
They compromised on Medicare and that's what got us into this situation. Maybe if they would have waited a few years we could have got Medicare for all. Why is that never considered by the slavish devotees of compromise?

SINGLE PAYER OR BUST. Or--

Public Option today and Single Payer VERY FUCKING SOON.

But the party faithful can't let the leadership put healthcare reform on the back burner for another 20 or 30 years.

If you are going to go incrementalist then we can't wait every 20 years for the next 1/16th measure.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 06:02 AM
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7. You can deny this all you want, but it is what happened.
And no, a public option would be better than nothing. I take it you have no pre-existing conditions to worry about now. I just hope you never get denied coverage because of one.

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PHIMG Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 10:47 AM
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9. I don't have insurance now
When HR3200 style (no insurance company left behind) reform passes then I'll be forced to buy health insurance and if that means i have to spend $400 a month for a $5,000 deductible policy i'll probably never use, then yeah....wow PROGRESS! Great! At least the sold out whores in D.C. can still cash fat checks from UnitedHealth and Aetna.

To waste all this political capital on bullshit fake reform that lines the pockets of insurance and drug companies is a SCANDAL.

Lucky there are lots of people on DU to run around to pull the wool over our eyes.

Medicare for All was doable back when it was proposed, why not NOW?

B/c our leaders are sold out whores.

Medicare for All -- no deductibles, no copayments, no premiums. Pay into the system when you earn income. Everyone is covered. No insurance company CEO standing in between you and your doctor.
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Amos Moses Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 03:26 AM
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6. So in about 300 years or so, we'll have single payer!
Or maybe a system that doesn't drive us into bankruptcy and/or our deathbeds. :woohoo:

Yglesias is at least two moves ahead of the naysayers! :think:
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 08:11 AM
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8. Then the next logical step is phasing in medicare for all.
Not making the insurance industry more powerful with 50 million mandated additional customers and endless corp. welfare subsidies. Any further hoped for reform after this gutted useless bill will be lost. We severely underestimate our opponent and overestimate our now conservative representatives when compared to democrats in the 60's.
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