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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 11:22 AM
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USA: Lack of “Change” Leads to Discontent
USA: Lack of “Change” Leads to Discontent

Written by Graeme Anfinson in the U.S.
Tuesday, 14 July 2009


With the much ballyhooed “first 100” days of Barack Obama’s Presidency long past, we are starting to see signs of disillusionment from many of his more vocal supporters. Obama, the man who was supposed to usher in a new era of “change,” is now increasingly being seen as “more of the same.”


There is a material reason why Obama is no longer wooing many of his previous allies. From his campaign promise to fundamentally revamp the health care system, to his promise to shut down the detention center in Guantanamo Bay, very little has actually been done. Take health care for example. Despite the majority of Americans wanting a universal, socialized system similar to those in other industrialized countries, Obama has ruled out any such proposal. Recently, while speaking to the American Medical Association, Obama made it clear that the “public option” in his unnecessarily complex health care plan is not a “Trojan horse” for a single-payer system. In other words, forget about it.

Obama was also the “anti-war candidate.” Not only has Obama done little to nothing to end the occupation of Iraq since he has taken office, he has actually expanded military operations in Afghanistan, as well as increased cross border attacks into Pakistan. On top of all this, the Obama Administration has kept many Bush-era “anti-terrorism” policies, including the above mentioned failure to close Guantanamo Bay. Jeremy Scahill, best-selling author and independent journalist, was recently asked about these policies on Bill Moyers’ PBS show. He pointed out that not only have prisons not been closed, they have expanded. According to Scahill, “The fact is that, at Bagram, we see an expansion. They’re spending $60 million to expand that prison. You have hundreds of people held without charges. You have people that are being denied access to the Red Cross in violation of international law. And you have an ongoing position, by the Obama administration, formed under Bush, that these prisoners don’t have right to habeas corpus.”

One of the most important “historic changes” promised was Obama’s “pro-labor” stance, or so we were told. While running for office, Obama did give pro-union legislation, such as the Employee Free Choice Act, some lip service. Since taking office, however, he has yet to use the power of the bully pulpit to rally support for the bill. The campaign to pass EFCA has been organized labor’s top priority for several years now. A tremendous amount of time, effort, and money has been spent by Labor to bring about a Democratic-controlled Congress as well as having a Democrat in the White House. Now that these goals have been realized, we see the Democrats making no substantial effort to pass even this modest legislation. While Obama has remained quiet, other Democrats have come out openly against the bill, effectively killing it and saving Obama the embarrassment of having to completely renege on his word. As Josh Lucker wrote in these very pages, “The unions nationally contributed $450 million in the last election to the Democratic Party, and what do their members have to show for it? More job losses, continued loss of pay, no universal health care, bailouts for the bosses, and now, the final nail in the ‘hope’ coffin seems to have been driven. A central point for the union support of the Democrats in the 2008 elections, EFCA, appears to have been an empty promise.”

Many of these policies have our well-meaning liberal friends scratching their heads in bewilderment. Many first time voters are beginning to wonder how much their vote really matters. None of the changes they voted for are even being attempted, let alone implemented. Since well before Obama took office, Socialist Appeal predicted there would be no fundamental change in policies. This isn’t because we own a crystal ball, or are privy to any secret information; it is the result of our class-based analysis of U.S. society. Put simply, Barack Obama is a representative of the ruling class, and the policies he puts forth will benefit the class he represents. While there very well may be some cosmetic changes (which, interestingly enough, have yet to happen), Obama and the Democratic Party are simply incapable of implementing any real fundamental change.

http://www.marxist.com/usa-lack-of-change-leads-to-discontent.htm
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 11:28 AM
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1. LOL. I love my fellow Americans and their short attention spans.
Don't people understand that change - real change - takes time? I guess not.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 11:45 AM
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6. Depending on intent, any change can be immediate or can be crafted with time.
Not to mention variables like checks and balances...
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:00 PM
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13. what a load, is this the kind of change that starts and goes in the complete wrong direction
Edited on Sun Jul-19-09 12:01 PM by natrat
he and his administration ar bought and paid for first class turds
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 11:30 AM
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2. A website called "marxist.com" is criticizing Obama.
I'm shocked, shocked I tells ya.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:05 PM
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17. At the very least, Marxists are fully committed to the interests of the working class
Can you say the same about the Democrats we helped elect to represent us in Congress? Here is one example of whose interests our elected representatives actually serve posted in this very forum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x464664

My own Democratic Senator Evan Bayh, replied to a letter of mine saying that he was opposed to Single Payer, and that despite the fact that polls show a majority of Americans support Single Payer and bills such as HR676.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:12 PM
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20. And Down Here In Florida... Bill Nelson Is What I Can Only Call A DINO....
almost 3/4th's of the time! Actually, since Martinez has decided not to run again, he makes "some" sense to me, at least more than I ever thought he would! But then, he AIN'T running again, soooooooooooooooooo, THAT "splains" it! LUCY!

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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 11:31 AM
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3. Probably more are concerned about lack of jos and loss of savings
and loss of homes. Afinson most still be employed.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 11:41 AM
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4. ..
Edited on Sun Jul-19-09 11:44 AM by Buzz Clik
A most enthusiastic Unrecommend.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 11:50 AM
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8. K&uR too
It's worthy as a discussion, but there is no logical reason for it being on the front page.

That is the sole reason for using unRec, and if I have to spam every post to remind people it's not personal, so be it. :)

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 11:53 AM
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10. Interesting that there are more open discussions inside Cuba as to the future of socialism there
than they are about the heading in which our new captain is steering the nation.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 11:58 AM
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12. You have some special knowledge about the discussions inside Cuba?
How do you come by that information?

Regardless, there's no lack of discussion in the US.

(I appreciate your confession that this thread is about socialism and not about Obama. Thanks!)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:06 PM
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18. Started a thread in this forum on that
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:23 PM
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22. And based on an article in the Havana Times, you were able to conclude...
... that Cuba has more open discussions on socialism? I see no support for that conclusion, nor is your comment relevant to your thread. Hijacking your own topic?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:29 PM
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26. The point is that there are more substantive discussions in Cuba
Edited on Sun Jul-19-09 12:29 PM by IndianaGreen
than what we are seeing here among those that put Obama in the White House. One of the points made in the Havana student fora was that nothing was gained by remaining silent when things were going bad. One of the trends I see among some of the people that voted for Obama is a self-imposed silence when it comes to criticizing broken or postponed campaign policies. The American people voted for substantive change, not for a mere change in personnel.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:35 PM
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27. I gather that from the perspective of a socialist, we have had no change whatsoever.
We are not becoming more socialist with the possible exception of our health care reform, and that remains to be seen.

I am a strong supporter of Obama, but I have no desire to see this country making huge strides towards socialism. So, the changes that Obama has been making are just fine with me.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:42 PM
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28. At the barest minimum, Obama should have restored the rule of law!
He failed miserably to do so by his refusal to appoint special prosecutor and end the abuses of power of the Bush regime, e.g., signing statements. Torture and human rights abuses under the criminal Bush regime are still going on today, in places like Bagram according to the British press. Our own ambassador to Honduras, Hugo Llorens, was involved in the military coup that toppled a democratically elected government.

We may disagree on economic model, but if we don't restore the Constitution and the rule of law, then none of us are safe regardless of the party affiliation of the President.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 07:10 PM
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34. What, pray tell, would be a "huge stride toward socialism"?
Once you have listed 4-5, tell me which might concievably be enacted in the US?

Single payer doesn't count.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 05:36 PM
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41. The 8-hour workday was a socialist idea
together with a national pension plan, workplace safety, equal rights for women and Blacks, etc., all of these began as socialist issues.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 07:23 PM
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43. exactly. also
the 40-hr week, child labor laws, paid holidays. If any of these gutless right-wing radio fuckers would debate someone honestly instead of only talking to sycophants and idiots, their "socialist" meme would be torpedoed in2 minutes flat. But the lying cowards like Limpballs and his ilk are afraid to talk in public.
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 07:30 PM
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35. so you're anti-socialist? I don't even know what socialism is, besides a bogy
man beneath the bed, what is it that makes you against it? Not a rhetorical ?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 11:42 AM
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5. "More of the same?" Laughable. Thank God Bush is gone. Tip of the hat to Obama.
And a big "piss off" to those who have been beating this drum for a full year.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:02 PM
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14. Well...
"President Obama said Friday he would nominate Robert Hormats, a vice chairman of Goldman Sachs International, to a top economic position at the State Department."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3975877

It's beginning to look like change I can bereave in. :(
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:10 PM
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19. Depends on the issue, if you ask me...
like anybody would... :spray:

Or ulterior motives. All one can do is wait and see.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:25 PM
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25. Wait and see? Unthinkable, particularly when you know that your agenda isn't on the radar screen.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:50 PM
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30. To some extent I don't care about the issues.
I mean, I care but that there are few individual issues that are going to sway me one or the other. However, looking across all issues we can begin to deduce the mind-set of the Administration. I am unimpressed with the conclusion that that process leads me to. It just doesn't look like much change at all overall.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:24 PM
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24. I don't get it. Hormats was also a Bush appointee? Why is this the same?
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:47 PM
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29. If you can't figure it out on your own...
...then there's probably no way I can explain it to you.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:15 PM
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21. Here is more of that 'Change You Can Believe In'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x19239

And people have been killed and imprisoned by a regime financed in Washington, and trained at Fort Benning.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 11:49 AM
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7. Right or Wrong, the horror of the last 8 years is what is driving the impatience.
I find myself very conflicted between relief Bush is gone, realization that change takes time, seeing the seeds of change sown, but frustration that it is taking so long.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 11:51 AM
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9. Good response. Seconded.
+1
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:04 PM
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16. what seeds being sown? i see more bush policy continuance than not
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 11:45 AM
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39. Ten miles into the woods
An old saying: "When you are ten miles into the woods, you won't get out with a one mile hike." Bushista rule drove us into the swamps ... we aren't getting out overnight, and there be gators and snakes in these waters ... It is unreasonable to expect us to be out of the thicket after less than eight months of new Executive Branch administration.

That having been said, we aren't going to get out by building a campfire and pitching a tent on soggy ground, either. And it seems to me that recent policy choices indeed have that effect, particularly in terms of economic policy. The treatment of GM and the labor unions vs the financial sector provides ample evidence for that viewpoint. Thus my perception is this: We're still in the swamp, we're not heading for the exit, and though management is certainly more competent, we're pretty much going to stay in the same place and it will be a long time before any of us have dry socks.

This is, of course, not what I voted for.

So, yes, there is impatience, but you trivialize the concerns of others who are watching the decisions of our Democratic Party leadership and have come to believe no significant change of direction is being designed. Common sense informs us that if we don't like what we're getting, we need to change what we're doing ... and tweaking the execution of destructive economic policies is unlikely to produce a structurally superior result. At some point, we will have to choose between the model of globalization and "market liberalization", or we will have to design a model that seeks to nurture the nation and benefits its people. Obama's fiscal policies seem to trend in the former direction, and thus I object.

Trav
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 11:56 AM
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11. THIS Thread Should Once Again Bring Out Many Cheerleaders Who
will undoubtedly tout "time" as the main focus. For me, it's not "time" that presents itself to me, it's what had happened in the "time" since he's been elected. It's more a "trend" I see rather than a "time" factor.

I realize that Congress MUST come on board, but still the POTUS has the luxury of the BULLY PULPIT and since he seems one to be "seen" all over the place, I would think he would use some of that "time" to explain WHY some of his actions are basically a reversal of what he campaigned on.

I'm sure there will be several here who will post a LONG list of his achievements thus far, but on the really BIG issues (IMHO) he is losing support and this is not only my assessment, I heard it on C-Span this morning.

Do I want him to succeed, I SURE DO! But will I look the other way when I see that Bush policies of great importance to me and many millions are simply ignored and even condoned now, NO I WILL NOT!

If it was wrong under BFEE, it's STILL wrong now. I come from a Union family and KNOW that I wouldn't have had a decent living without their help. I also know that Unions have had their own dubious dealings too in the past, but for the most part I feel they have helped millions of people who would have otherwise had less than quality jobs.

Oh, and another thing... NO I would not have rather had McCain, I would just rather have Obama at least "show me" that he is working on those MAJOR issues he championed when he was campaigning. Doesn't mean it has to be a done deal, but it does mean that I want to see him "take the bull by the horns" and once again state that Gitmo, Unions, DOMA and other issues aren't being ignored. Does he support these issues today?? Doesn't look like it to me. And that is what is making many supporters scratch their heads.

My opinion, and I'm NOT going to get into a pissing contest that just makes each other more P.O'ed!
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:03 PM
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15. K&R
Because if this continues for more than a few more months, 2012 will NOT be a sure thing, and I don't want Sarah Palin in the WH.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 12:23 PM
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23. Every word of this is true. Unfortunately if you point that out, you're "spewing Obama-hate" or
"poutrage", or wishing for a pony. Well, I want a fucking pony. And I want my pony to be named "Healthcare".
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 01:05 PM
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31. how can anyone with a conscience or intelligence not hate this administration by now
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 01:22 PM
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33. Assassinations Anyone? CIA Claims of Cancelled Campaign are Hogwash
Spare us the sarcasm. The concerns are legitimate and, if not addressed, it will lead to a sense of betrayal which is a very powerful emotional response.

Published on Sunday, July 19, 2009 by the Toronto Sun

Assassinations Anyone? CIA Claims of Cancelled Campaign are Hogwash

by Eric Margolis


CIA director Leon Panetta just told Congress he cancelled a secret operation to assassinate al-Qaida leaders. The CIA campaign, authorized in 2001, had not yet become operational, claimed Panetta.

I respect Panetta, but his claim is humbug. The U.S. has been trying to kill al-Qaida personnel (real and imagined) since the Clinton administration. These efforts continue under President Barack Obama. Claims by Congress it was never informed are hogwash.

The CIA and Pentagon have been in the assassination business since the early 1950s, using American hit teams or third parties. For example, a CIA-organized attempt to assassinate Lebanon's leading Shia cleric, Muhammad Fadlallah, using a truck bomb, failed, but killed 83 civilians and wounded 240.

In 1975, I was approached to join the Church Committee of the U.S. Congress investigating CIA's attempts to assassinate Fidel Castro, Congo's Patrice Lumumba, Vietnam's Ngo Dinh Diem, and Egypt's Gamal Abdel Nasser.

Add to America's hit list Saddam Hussein, Afghanistan's Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Indonesia's Sukarno, Chile's Marxist leaders and, very likely, Yasser Arafat.

Libya's Moammar Khadaffy led me by the hand through the ruins of his private quarters, showing me where a 2,000-pound U.S. bomb hit his bedroom, killing his infant daughter. Most Pakistanis believe, rightly or wrongly, the U.S. played a role in the assassination of President Zia ul-Haq.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/07/19-1
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 11:48 AM
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40. Quite easily
The Obama admin is certainly not what I was hoping for ... but it is substantially superior to previous management, and far less inimical in its objectives.

That means progressive thinkers have some breathing room ... room in which to think, design, and organize.

It could be worse ... and we still have a chance to put together something better.

Trav
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 01:16 PM
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32. change comes from the bottom up
The New Deal wasn't made by the patrician aristocrat Roosevelt, it was made by organizations of labor, farmers, and the unemployed.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 08:21 PM
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36. Funny how polling actually shows his approval among liberals and Democrats as climbing,
and at an all-time high to boot.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 11:16 AM
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38. But OB
he is losing the all-important communist constituency - such a large and significant voting bloc.

ROFLMAO.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 11:13 AM
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37. marxist.com
LOL

So communists aren't satisfied with Obama? I'm sure he's dissapointed.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 05:41 PM
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42. They are actually a Trotskyite website, but the article itself is not
it is more mainstream socialist. BTW, the 8-hour workday was a socialist idea. Before the capitalist could make you work as many hours and days and he wanted, and no overtime.
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