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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 10:39 AM
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No Public Option, No Re-election, NO KIDDING

No one on the right wrung their hands and worried, "how will we pay for this," when they enthusiastically passed George W. Bush's $1.6 trillion in tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. Instead they said, "not to worry," that the cuts would have "a tremendous multiplier effect," as they "trickled down" through the economy. Well, if what we've got now is an example of that "multiplier effect," it's the strangest form of math I've ever seen.

When Bush decided we absolutely had to invade Iraq, no one asked "but how are going to pay it?" A trillion bucks later, and counting, we still don't have an answer that one, and that war goes on.

And few in Washington worried about "how are we going to pay for this," when the Bush administration bailed out Bear-Sterns, and laid the groundwork for the mulit-billion financial sector bailout that would come to fruition under the new Obama administration.

And few in Washington tried to put the brakes on the GM bailout just because no one had figured out how to pay for it.



Now, don't get me wrong, I'm all for balanced budgets and, generally speaking, all for debt-free living. I only point all this recent spending history out because, suddenly every Republican in Washington, and a few Blue Dog Dems, are holding up health care reform because it suddenly dawned on them that we don't have the money to pay for it. Well, we didn't have the money to pay for the other stuff either, so why this sudden conversion to fiscal tightwaddishness?

The answer is simple... and, strangely it's the same answer I'd give if you asked me just how the Bush tax cuts, Wall Street and banking bailout and the GM bailout were passed: it's all about the money, honey -- it's ALWAYS about the money, honey.

In the case of the Bush tax cuts, contributions from those with the most, who wanted even more, got that passed. "How do we pay for it?" Not to worry. It would magically pay for itself, we were told. And that was good enough for Congress.

In the case of the Iraq war, it was manna from heaven for defense firms like Halliburton and Lockheed/Martin, Blackwater, et al. And, of course, they shared their blood-soaked bread with members of Congress.

In the case of the Wall Street/bank bailouts, it was contributions from the very banks and Wall Street firms that had pissed away their depositor/investor funds chasing phony baloney crap investments, that won the day. "How do we pay for it?" No one cared. It needed to be done or things would get worse, we were told. It got done, things still got worse, and they still can't answer the question, "how we gonna pay for this?"

In the case of the GM bailout it was money from both labor and industry that put the wheels on that cart.

Which brings me to health care reform, and why, rather than the easy sledding these other issues enjoyed, is instead dying a death of a thousand cuts.

Again, it's the money, honey -- in this case money from the an industry that's become nearly as politically powerful as the defense industry, when it comes to getting what it wants out of politicians. They like things just the way they are. And wouldn't you if you could insure only those least likely to get sick, leaving the walking wounded for taxpayers to deal with. Heads they win, tails we lose. Such a deal. I wouldn't want any changes either, if I were on the receiving end of a deal like that. And neither do they. And they're paying up mightily right now to make damn sure very little changes. (Go to www,opensecrets.org to see how much money your members of Congress have gotten... so far.)

Anyway, "how are we going to pay for this," is a question that, under our campaign finance system, always (ALWAYS) takes a backseat to another question: "Who's going to contribute most on this issue?"

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http://www.opednews.com/articles/No-Public-Option-No-Re-el-by-Stephen-Pizzo-090710-160.html
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 11:14 AM
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1. I couldn't agree with you more.
Its strange isn't it.. 90% of Dems want public option and 50% of Republicans want public option... 3/4 of the American people want healthcare reform with a system more like Canada or France than the current sham. People are willing to pay more taxes in order to have healthcare... why because they could drop the dead weight insurance that works to NOT cover your medical needs.

Anyone objecting is a fraud. Anyone voting against a good healthcare bill with a strong public option, should not survive an election the next time they are up. They are killing American's with their bullshit.
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dwp6577 Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 11:20 AM
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2. This sent to Cantwell...probably goes to /dev/null automatically



Senator Cantwell,
I keep hearing on the television and radio that you are against government run public option healthcare for me and my family.

You have a public option don't you? Are you willing to give your public option up and let some company profit off of denying you and your family coverage?

Poll numbers from your constituents are overwhelmingly in favor of a government run public option for health care. Are you representing your constituents (the people who voted for you to represent them) or lobbyists?

Please advise.
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 02:14 PM
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13. I got a letter from Sen Cantwell this week stating clear and strong
support for public option. That is in contrast to the missive I received in early June.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 11:23 AM
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3. Absolutely, the "fiscal conservatives" are only opposed to spending that benefits the masses
They have no problem with big spending when that spending benefits the elite.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 11:24 AM
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4. Yes. If my new congressman does NOT support public option...
As he did NOT support the recent climate change bill. He will not only NOT have me voting for him but I will not volunteer on his phone lines or walk the neighborhoods for him. Though fat Denny Hastert's son is running against him - what difference does it make having a DEM congressman if he's going to vote with the Republicans anyway?
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 02:53 PM
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15. rosesaylavee, you might want to find out WHY your rep voted against the climate change
bill before you abandon him for a Republican. There were many, many unhappy reps who would have voted for the right climate change bill--not the one they were presented which had the life sucked out of it by energy lobbyists. Just because the lobbyist-controlled House voted for a climate change bill did not mean it was a good bill, or even a pretty good bill.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:38 AM
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19. Yes I did contact his office
and emailed him as well. His staffer and his email stated he didn't think the bill went far enough. But by NOT voting it stood a chance of just dying in the House and not moving forward at all. He was the ONLY Dem from the IL delegation to not vote for this bill. No, it's not a perfect bill and hopefully it will return to the House for a second revamp. But he is technically a freshman congressman and has yet to prove to me that he is as progressive as I would like. I asked his staffer this last week if he was one of the Blue Dogs on the Healthcare bill and he said, no, he wasn't.

So, I am in a wait and see with this guy.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 11:35 AM
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5. No Public Option = Goodbye.
In my 40 years of political activism, there has NEVER been an issue more cut & dried than Health Care Reform.

AND, be sure to read the fine print.
The so called "Public Option" that came out of the HELP committee would fund an as yet undefined \"Public Option" by gutting Medicare.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 11:49 AM
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6. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Joanne.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 11:55 AM
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7. This may not be popular, but if the public option leaves millions
without HC, costs a trillion and is funded by saving from Medicare/Medicaid, when the estimates are 30 million + new enrollees to Medicare over the next 20 years...then we need to go back to the drawing board IMO.

We will not get a second chance anytime soon.




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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 02:58 PM
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17. Thank you for saying that. n/t
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 12:05 PM
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8. K & R!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 12:07 PM
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9. Exactly...
...if those elected officials in DC cannot listen to the public, then they do NOT belong in DC. PERIOD.

No need for any further discussion!!
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zoff Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 12:33 PM
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10. rethuglican maths (and englleesh) is out of this world.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 01:19 PM
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11. pay to play..and that includes your health care ..don'tcha know??
Ceci Connolly Was the “Play” in the WaPo’s Pay2Play Dinner
By: emptywheel Saturday July 11, 2009 6:21 am http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/11/ceci-connolly-was-the-play-in-the-pay2play-dinner/#more-4476

edit to add: watch the utube of Bill Moyers Journal..must see !!

Close to the end of OmbudAndy's long assessment of his paper's Pay2Play scandal, he includes this tidbit:

Brauchli conferred with Pelton about the salon dinners. At one point they showed up at the newsroom desk of reporter Ceci Connolly, who covers health care, which was to be the discussion topic of the July 21 dinner. Subsequently, she said, "Charles asked me for some contact phone numbers and e-mails, which I provided."



On June 17, another Word document was provided by Pelton to The Post's advertising staff soliciting a $25,000 sponsorship -- "Maximum of two sponsors" -- for the July dinner. Under "Hosts and Discussion Leaders," it listed Weymouth, Brauchli and "Other Washington Post health care editorial and reporting staff." It said participants could "Interact with core players in an off-the-record format."

A week later, the flier was distributed to the ad sales staff.

At the same time, e-mails were being sent over Weymouth's name to lawmakers and others inviting them to the July 21 dinner. They said she, Brauchli and "health care reporter Ceci Connolly" were hosting the evening. An accompanying invitation said it would be off the record and noted that it would be underwritten by a single sponsor, Kaiser Permanente.

Somehow I just knew Ceci Connolly would be involved in this Pay2Play.

That's because she has spent the last month "reporting" stories that scold progressives for insisting on real reform. There was the article, for example, where she said,



read the whole thing..and then puke on all the change we have !!
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 01:44 PM
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12. K&R
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 02:23 PM
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14. politician$$$ and profit machine$$$
As a former health care giver, I am shocked and saddened to see what has become of health care in America. $ 1. 4 million is being spent per day in DC by the health care lobbyists so your elected representative is getting taken care of and has quality health care we pay for and can't afford ourselves for our families, I know what is deemed, defended and supported in Tennessee and Virginia as quality health care and clearly profit care comes ahead of patient care. http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62 MRSA ( methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureas ) is infesting our communities because filthy, uncaring hospitals and emergency rooms are breeding them and spreading them into our schools, homes, restaurants. How many more Americans' will be diseased or die while 74 % of Americans' are begging for health care reform ? More people died in America last year from MRSA complications than AIDS. When MRSA and a flu bug start mixing, it won't be pretty and we are being infected by the very health care system we depend on and trust to keep us safe and healthy.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 02:55 PM
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16. If thjey're Dems, how about NO RENOMINATION?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 03:23 PM
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18. That would be the preferred option- but it can't be the only one
Democrats who repeatedly sell everyone out to their corporate sponsors are a cancer on the party which in the long run is WORSE than having Republicans take a few seats.
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:04 AM
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20. They say we have the best health care in the world ???
As a former health care giver, I am shocked and saddened to see what has become of health care in America. $ 1. 4 million is being spent per day in DC by the health care lobbyists so your elected representative is getting taken care of and has quality health care we pay for and can't afford ourselves for our families, I know what is deemed, defended and supported in Tennessee and Virginia as quality health care and clearly profit care comes ahead of patient care. http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62 MRSA ( methicillin resistant staphylococcus aureas ) is infesting our communities because filthy, uncaring hospitals and emergency rooms are breeding them and spreading them into our schools, homes, restaurants. How many more Americans' will be diseased or die while 74 % of Americans' are begging for health care reform ? More people died in America last year from MRSA complications than AIDS. When MRSA and a flu bug start mixing, it won't be pretty and we are being infected by the very health care system we depend on and trust to keep us safe and healthy.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:14 AM
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21. They know it will be expensive because they know our food is killing us
Passing Universal Health care would mean the end of crappy food, because they know full well that our current system of food production is making people sick. In order to control costs, the links between disease and GMO's, HFCS and CAFO produced animals would finally get the scrutiny it deserves.

The only reason they refuse to label GMO's is because it creates traceability, and a link to illness that is otherwise unknowable without labeling.

Considering that the latest appointment to the USDA is Michael Taylor, the man how drafted the "Substantial Equivalence" doctrine at the USDA, doesn't bode well for labeling any time soon, but Universal Healthcare would speed up the action on the almost too big to be hidden horrors of GMO food.

For me, Universal Healthcare alone would not be enoguh to support Obama. He'd have to Label GMO, and Prosucute Bush and Cheney as well, while cutting the military budget in half.
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