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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 12:22 AM
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The unlikely friends of the Holocaust memorial killer-Guardian (UK)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/14/james-von-brunn-far-right


An anti-liberal ideology is being created by groups who would once have been sworn enemies


Nick Cohen The Observer, Sunday 14 June 2009

In his brutality and his obsessions, James W von Brunn was both a relic of the old far right and a sign of things to come. Before he murdered a security guard at the doors of the Washington Holocaust museum - murdered, that is, at a memorial to a mass murder he denied - he was tied into the old web of international neo-fascism. As might be predicted, he went to meetings of the American Friends of the British National party, where he could share his desire to drive the blacks and the Jews from the "white nations" with what friends he could find.

He did not seem to find many. Eighty-eight years old, living in a condo, with a broken marriage behind him, he even joined Mensa, the habitual rest home for failures with delusions of grandeur. Stephen Tyrone Johns, the security guard, who died for politely opening the door of his car, was in every respect the better man. After the killing, American newspapers decided that von Brunn was a typical white supremacist. David Duke, the former Ku Klux Klan leader, had gloated that the first black president was a "visual aid" whose presence in the White House would recruit a new generation of racists and the press quoted civil rights groups who worried understandably about how many would sign up and how violent they would be.

Yet for all his roots in neo-Nazism, von Brunn was also a transitional figure who typified a wider range of forces than I can adequately squeeze into the "far right" label. He was an enthusiastic "truther", who went on the net to deny that the al-Qaida attacks on New York and Washington had surprised the conspirators in power who secretly controlled America. He hated Bill O'Reilly of Fox News and neocons as much as the New York Times and Obama. "It doesn't matter that you despise Jews-neocons-Bill O'Reilly," he declared in one of his incoherent internet postings. "You pay the kosher tax - or else you don't eat."

The last time I heard similar remarks was not in the back room of a Leeds pub but the elegant gardens of Christ Church College. The nice, middle-class organisers of the Oxford Literary Festival had invited Israeli-born Gilad Atzmon who is - and you are going to have bear with me on this - a former winner of the BBC's jazz album of the year award. He declared that "Jewish ideology is driving our planet into a catastrophe" and "the Jewish tribal mindset - left, centre and right - sets Jews aside of humanity".
As he sat in his condo, nursing his grievances and watching his Mel Gibson movies, James W von Brunn may have seemed a relic of the fascist movements of the 20th century. But in his grubby, instinctive way, he was groping towards the new authoritarian alliances of the 21st.....
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 12:28 AM
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1. ..."Mensa, the habitual rest home for failures with delusions of grandeur."
Had an ex that was a Mensan. It is a fitting description of both him and the org.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 02:27 AM
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2. There are Mensans here who would dispute you.
Stop painting everyone who joins with a broad brush.

I am sorry he is a Mensan because I am a Mensan, too. I do not know any Mensans like him. Some are conservative, some are liberal. It has nothing to do with Mensa, which is apolitical.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 09:44 AM
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3. Mensa was called "a final rest home for failures with delusions of grandeur"
Edited on Tue Jun-16-09 09:44 AM by Triana
that isn't necessarily political or pertaining to political ideologies or politics. In the case of the Mensan I knew and his Mensan friends, it doesn't pertain to politics necessarily - but the description applies, nonetheless.

Maybe YOU are painting the comment made in the OP with too NARROW a brush?

I agree w/ you Mensa is an apolitical org. That doesn't prevent it from being "a final rest home for failures with delusions of grandeur" in many cases. According to what I've seen, political leanings aside, it is.

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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 10:17 AM
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4. Here is a list of some Mensa failures
Geena Davis
Scott Adams- creator of Dilbert
Joyce Carol Oates
Norman Schwarzkopf
Buckminster Fuller
Marilyn von Savant- Parade Magazine columnist
Issac Asimov
Jean Auel- Author of Clan Of The Cave Bear
Derek Keith Barbosa- rapper under the pseudonym Chino XL
Richard Bolles- self help author
Cyril Burt- educational psychologist developed factor analysis in psychological testing
Martin Cooper- inventor of the cell phone
Adrian Cronauer- inspiration for the movie Good Morning Vietnam
Alexander Crutchfield- American businessman and financier founder of Oasis Partners
Bobby Czyz- two time WBA cruiserweight champ
Vincent Fumo- Pennsylvania State Senator
Rolf Gindorf- German sexologist and gay activist
Charles Ingram- novelist
Lucy Irwin- author of Castaway
Maurice Kanbar- founder of SKYY Vodka and inventor
Steve Martin
Adam Osbourne- Computer designer, software publisher, created first commercially available portable computer, the Osborne
Gareth Penn- author and private investigator
Donald Petersen- former CEO of Ford Motor Company
Julie Peterson- former Playmate of the month February 1987
Madsen Pirie- Philosopher and economist
Clive Sinclair- Inventor of the Sinclair Executive pocket calculator, founder of Sinclair Research
Owen Spencer Thomas- Television broadcaster and presenter, charity fundraiser and Anglican minister.<[br />Lancelot Ware- Barrister and biochemist








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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 05:05 PM
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6. Thank you.
I am not going to apologize for being a Mensan any more than I am going to apologize for being a Democrat.

One person has issues with one Mensan, or a few Mensans, and that makes them all bad.

I think the liberal Christians here have a hard time, too. They get thrown in with the fundie wingnuts and judged to be the same. A few of them have spoken up about the Christian-bashing. A few of them have left.

I've had it with some of the comments about our GLBT community, too.

Sometimes it is hard to tell that this is supposed to be a liberal, Democratic website.

I survived the primary season here. It was worse than usual. I know that the ignore feature is my friend.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 05:47 PM
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7. Blanket statements never turn out good n/t
Edited on Tue Jun-16-09 05:49 PM by spiritual_gunfighter
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 06:16 AM
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9. "If we're so smart, why ain't we rich?"
The only time I ever came upon any Mensa posts, this was the topic of most of the posts.

To me the answer was as obvious as it was obscure to the Mensans. Intellectual power has little to do with success, or the ability to create or to handle problems. Emotional security, self-knowledge and the ability to work well with others are also important factors - which are not evaluated by any test the Mensans give.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 06:50 AM
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10. While I agree with the point of not broadbrushing Mensa members ...
and that some criticisms of them stem from anti-intellectualism, not all of the people on this list are role models. Cyril Burt is fairly notorious in the field of psychology of education for research on the genetics of IQ, that was at best careless and at worst at least partially faked. And Madsen Pirie is a RW economist, who was one of the architects of Thatcher's infamous poll tax.

The creator of Dilbert is a good role model, however!
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:18 AM
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11. The point of the post was not that these people were ethically suspect
or positive role-models the point was that not all Mensans are failures. The Poll-Tax is horrid but you can't say that Madsen Pirie was a failure.
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kooljerk666 Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 12:34 PM
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5. why is Gilad Atzmon's statement controversial?
Edited on Tue Jun-16-09 12:35 PM by kooljerk666
I guess he is a anti semite or a self hating jew.


Israeli-born Gilad Atzmon who is - and you are going to have bear with me on this - a former winner of the BBC's jazz album of the year award. He declared that "Jewish ideology is driving our planet into a catastrophe" and "the Jewish tribal mindset - left, centre and right - sets Jews aside of humanity".
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 05:56 AM
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8. 'I guess he is a anti semite or a self hating jew.'
And you would have guessed absolutely right!

While accusations of antisemitism and racism are used too readily by some, this particular individual is certainly an antisemite. Such a statement as 'Jewish ideology is driving our planet into a catastrophe' is certainly antisemitic; just as 'Muslim ideology is driving our planet into a catastrophe' would be Islamophobic.

Yes, it's odd for someone called Gilad Atzmon to be an antisemite, but it's also odd for someone called Wafa Sultan to be an anti-Arab bigot/Islamophobe, which she is. Craziness and bigotry know no ethnic boundaries.

He *is* good on the jazz front, I must admit.
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