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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 05:04 AM
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Violence widens abortion rift (Tennessean editorial)
... Leaders of these organizations quickly spoke out to distance themselves from the atrocious attack. Yet, there were disturbing signals that, while these groups may truly have been horrified by the killing of Tiller, they still do not see how their practices contributed to his death; indeed, to the murders of seven other people since 1993 — abortion doctors, clinic receptionists, a police officer and a bodyguard ...

Even if the shooter did not announce his plans to anyone, attempts to paint him as isolated and out of control ring hollow. Roeder was only one of many signers, for example, of the Defensive Action Statement, a 1990s document that declares use of force is justified to stop abortions.

Ultimately, the problem is not one of random violence; it is a pattern of hate speech spurring the most desperate members of society into committing deplorable acts of violence, followed by brief periods of withdrawal, before the hateful rhetoric begins again.

Calling doctors such as George Tiller operators of "death camps for babies" is not simple freedom of speech — it is abuse that hides behind the First Amendment. The cycle of violence it spawns must stop if this nation is ever to come to terms with itself over the sanctity of life ...

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090614/OPINION01/906140349/1008/Editorial++Violence+widens+abortion+rift+
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 06:27 AM
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1. I used to feel tolerance toward anti-abortion groups. After Tiller's murder, no more.
I have no use for these groups anymore. That act, and in a church no less, was completely and totally despicable. How anyone can defend it, ignore it or enable it is beyond me.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:06 AM
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2. Start from the premise that abortion is murder.
The clue to understanding the attitude and actions of the violent anti-abortion right wing is to understand their basic premise: abortion is murder. This is what they believe in their heart of hearts and they are going to speak out and act upon that belief. This single concept is as central to their ideology as a christian's belief that Jesus died on the cross for their sins. It is not subject to explanation or argument or debate. It simply IS.

They are horrified at the continuing slaughter of the unborn. They consider this to be genocide. I'm not arguing whether they are "right" or "wrong."

We would be horrified if there were a law condemning all African American males over the age of 18 to summary execution on conviction of a felony. We would see the courts packed with cases, trumped up by racists to eliminate anyone they found inconvenient, anyone whose music they didn't like, anyone whose attire they found offensive. Some of us might reach the point of deciding that we needed to take the law into our own hands and stop some of the killing -- by killing.

And that is exactly how "they" feel. Abortion, any abortion, is murder of an innocent. It is wrong, under every and any circumstance. There is no reasoning with this. You might as well try to tell them up is down. (I know, I know, sometimes it is with them.)

And that is also why there is no middle ground, no common ground with them. Contraception is murder, if it's a hormone that prevents implantation of a fertilized egg. That zygote is a Human Being, just as much as those young men being killed for playing music too loud are Human Beings. And believe me, there are people in this country who seriously do NOT consider young black males to be human, just as many of us don't consider that zygote to be human.

At the heart of this so-called reverence for innocent life is a lack of reverence for women as Human Beings. The pregnant woman -- whether she is a 10-year-old victim of rape and incest, a healthy young woman who thought her boyfriend was using a condom but he wasn't, a 50-year-old grandmother who thought she couldn't get pregnant again and finds out she's carrying a severely compromised fetus -- is never ever ever more important than the unborn. NEVER. Whether the mother dies because of complications of a toxic pregnancy is irrelevant. It is never a question of the ethics of abortion in the case of rape or incest or a fetus with no hope of viability. The fetus ALWAYS comes first. ALWAYS. Without exception. And this is also part of the ideology. It cannot be argued or reasoned with or rationalized or debated. From the moment of conception, and in some cases even before, the fetus is more valuable, more important, more worthy than the mother.

It is not a matter of debating with them whether it is all right to abort a 6-week embryo but not a 6-month one. They consider either one an abomination, a murder. They will, however, throw out the Bill O'Reilly line of "aborting a healthy baby right up until the last minute before it's born" bullshit, because they know that will resonate even with those who are provisionally pro-choice. They don't care that that kind of abortion virtually never happens. There are laws protecting healthy, viable-outside-the-womb fetuses. Those are the laws doctors like George Tiller scrupulously followed, much to the consternation of prosecutors like Phill Kline.

Our problem is far less with the far rightwing ideologues on abortion than it is with the moderates and the almost-progressives. The anti-abortion, anti-woman movement has plenty of spokespeople. It has its "truth truck" and its Randall Terry and Troy Newman blowhards (neither of whom will ever have to consider whether or not to have an abortion, neither of whom will ever run the risk of actually being pregnant).

What we have are people like Rev. Katherine Ragsdale, who dare to say "abortion is a blessing" and who are so vociferously shouted down that she must remove her opinion from her website because it engendered threats against her. AND WE DO NOT RALLY TO HER DEFENSE. We consider Randall Terry's words incitement to murder, but we do not stand beside someone who is on "our" side.

If you as an individual -- and I address "you" as all readers of this post, not the individual to whose post I'm replying -- but if "you" as an individual are appalled by late-term abortion, then don't have one. If you think first trimester abortions are okay but not second- or third-trimester based on "viability," whose "viability" are you talking about? Remember that as soon as you put any and all unborn children of any particular but arbitrary category as ALWAYS more important than the woman gestating them, you have crossed over into anti-choice territory.

If there were routine cases of late-term, 30-week abortions of healthy, viable babies by women who just got tired of being pregnant, we would be hearing about it in the news. An abortion at that stage of pregnancy is not a simple procedure, and it comes with enormous risks. it simply isn't happening in enormous numbers. There are probably not more than about 2500 late term abortions performed in this country every year, most are second-trimester not third, and most require the second opinion certification that Phill Kline questioned in Dr. Tiller's case earlier this spring.

We need to call out the liars on the right -- the O'Reillys and such -- but we also need to champion our own. We need to champion our women -- our mothers and daughters, our sisters and wives -- to make sure that they retain the right of full personhood, the right to decide when they will bear a child and when they won't. An absolute right under the law.


Tansy Gold
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:06 AM
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3. Murder is a legal term. Abortion is not illegal and thus not murder.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:30 AM
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4. You're being too rational.
It is impossible to discuss this rationally with those who start from a premise outside the rationale. That's my point.

"They" take no cognizance of what's "legal" or "illegal." Those are merely words to them, words with no meaning. Unless and until you can get beyond that, there is no understanding why they do what they do.

I am not saying this to excuse what they do, because I don't. I am saying it so that you/we will UNDERSTAND how their thought processes work.

They do NOT work like ours, and so it is fruitless to attempt to debate the issues on those terms.

We must simply accept that these people are dangerous, that they are not going to be persuaded, and that we must protect ourselves against them.



TG
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:13 PM
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9. I know...and you're right, they are very dangerous.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:10 AM
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5. Full Personhood for women... anti-abortion is murder: of women.
The Choice meme was a real mistake, imho.

Abortion rights are absolutely that critical for women.
Also, all other supports for women's full rights--economic, educational, health, career are a part of the whole picture here, again, imho.

The fact that to these ideologues, a living breathing woman is NEVER the object of concern and compassion makes my blood boil...

I'd K&R this post if I could. It should be a thread all its own!!
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Stargazer09 Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:11 AM
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6. Excellent reply!
My biggest gripe with those anti-choice people is that they deem the mother to be of NO consequence.

I'm sick of women being treated as nothing more than life support systems.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:13 AM
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7. I believe this is all a red herring. They do not celebrate life
If you put together the driving out all Mexicans. Sealing hermetically the borders. Doing away with Abortion in all circumstances, teac hing only abstinance. Killing Gay marriage, demonizing them. Bringing back the 50's. Etc Etc, you come away with an accurate picture. They are afraid they are being massacred by demographics. They want Women White, barefoot and pregnant. To pop out more republicans. They fight to indoctrinate our children. It is a conspiracy. Luckily, it aint gonna work. Tough shit idiots.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 12:30 PM
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8. They celebrate life in theory....
Life in practice is considerably less appealing to them.

The unborn can be imagined as purely good, and without the messy complications of the actual living. Also, the unborn are unable to speak for themselves, which makes them the perfect group to champion for those whose are overwhelmed by the complexity of real life.
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