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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 03:34 PM
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Canada's healthcare saved her; Ours won't cover her
By David Lazarus
Los Angeles Times
May 27, 2009

San Marcos resident Maggie Yount wasn’t surprised when the letter from insurance giant Anthem Blue Cross arrived the other day. Yet she couldn’t help but be frustrated.

“Some medical conditions, either alone or in combination with the cost of medication, present uncertain medical underwriting risks,” Anthem informed her. “In view of these risks, we find we are unable to offer you enrollment at this time.”

In other words, no health coverage for you.

Yount, 24, finds herself in that cloudy area in which a “preexisting condition” makes her too great a risk in the eyes of money-minded insurance companies. And so she’s being excluded from the system.

“It looks like I’ll just have to be very, very careful about everything,” Yount told me. “But what kind of way is that to live your life?”

But Yount’s tale runs even deeper.

In November 2007, she was rushed to the emergency room after a drunk driver crashed into her car on a Nova Scotia highway.

Yount awoke from a coma four days later. She had suffered a brain injury in the head-on collision. Thirteen bones were broken, from her leg to her cheek. The other driver was killed.

Yount, a Canadian citizen, spent three months in a Halifax hospital, receiving treatment and rehab that must have cost a small fortune.

“I have no idea how much it cost,” she said. “It’s not something I’ve ever needed to know.”

So who paid the bill?

“The government of Canada.”

The United States is the only industrialized democracy that doesn’t have a government-run insurance system. Under such systems, universal coverage is provided through tax revenue. There are no premiums, co-pays or deductibles.

It’s not a perfect system — people often end up waiting for nonessential treatment. But it won’t leave you destitute if things go bad. Basically, you’re covered. For everything.

In Yount’s case, that ended when she moved to San Marcos in northern San Diego County a year ago to be with her fiance. They were married last July.

She then tried to obtain health coverage under the U.S. system. Her American husband works as a software engineer on a contract basis and doesn’t have employer-provided coverage.

Before applying to Anthem, Yount applied for an individual policy offered by Aetna Inc. She received a letter a couple of months ago informing her that her application had been rejected.

The letter noted that Yount’s medical record includes “a history of traumatic brain injury with multiple fractures treated with hospitalization.” It concluded that “this condition exceeds the allowable limits provided by our underwriting guidelines.”

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/may/canadas_healthcare_.php
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 03:43 PM
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1. "people often end up waiting for nonessential treatment"
Only if the public insurance company is underfunded and must negotiate below market rates for certain services. The quick and easy solution to single-payer's only real drawback: fund it sufficiently.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:45 PM
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2. The "nonessential treatment" is for things liike plastic surgery

And other cosmetic type procedures.

If you need surgery for a broken bone or a doctor visit for an illness you're seen right away in Canada.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:16 AM
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8. There are no public insurance "companies"
Provincial governments pay doctors directly.

The provinces are then compensated in the form of transfer payments from the federal government.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:05 PM
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9. Yeah, thats right...
Edited on Fri May-29-09 09:17 PM by Oregone
The plans are ran by the provincial health ministries. It could probably be organized as a public owned company (cc) but the overhead wouldn't justify that structure. It merely needs administration.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:39 PM
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11. Right
And we've lost confidence in "publically owned" or "Crown" companies. They tend to be "shed" during lean times and sold to private interests. Then they become just another greedy corporation.

We used to have a government owned petroleum company, Petrocan, but it was quickly sold off and is now no cheaper than other companies. And all those profits are now lost to the government. The same with railroads and power utilities.

So you can see our reluctance to get Crown corporations involved with health care.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:44 PM
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12. What a shame
The model looks amazing to me and Im obviously surrounded with quite a bit of useful ones, but I realize how they get sold off (especially in deals with conflicts of interest).

They are quite cool for someone from the States so used to unfettered, private-owned capitalistic corps. The energy company here is still public owned as far as I know so Im always in awe (BC Hydro).
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 07:42 PM
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3. K&R
:kick:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 07:53 PM
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4. AETNA CEO Ron William was invited to testify at the Senate
Finance committee hearing on HC, but nobody from PNHP was allowed to speak, not at the Senate discussions and not at the WH summit.

:(

http://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/hearing042109.htm








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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 07:57 PM
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5. NO single payer advocates...
Edited on Thu May-28-09 07:58 PM by maryf
Were invited to the table, and now even some of the unions that endorse single payer are playing both sides by supporting public option plans that keep the private insurers alive (and allowing more poor to continue to die)...K&R
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 08:07 PM
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6. Yup and the public option will not cover dental, eye care, mental
health and LT care, but it will cover shareholder profits and CEO compensation.

I'm reminded of this video...

ELIJAH CUMMINGS IS NO CHUMP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx5r0JmhDvY



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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 08:18 PM
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7. Cheaper too, no doubt.
No CEO salarys to be taken off the top.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:18 PM
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10. And yet Big Media is allowed to say "People in Canada die waiting for treatment"
and no one ever contradicts them or sues them for slander.

I'm afraid that nothing will change until insurance execs and hate radio/cable "news" lias are dragged through the streets chained to pickup trucks.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:45 AM
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13. This is the kind of thing I want my president to do.
He can confront these lies and command the media's spotlight to dispel these lies.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:45 AM
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14. Sounds like the husband should have done the relocating. nt
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:38 PM
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15. Part of the article is not quite accurate.
It says, "The United States is the only industrialized democracy that doesn’t have a government-run insurance system. Under such systems, universal coverage is provided through tax revenue. There are no premiums, co-pays or deductibles."

That's not exactly true. The Netherlands and Switzerland for example, have universal health care through private insurance companies, although the basic insurance is government-regulated and partly subsidized with taxes. Public insurance in Japan also has premiums and co-payments. Not every country uses a single-payer model like Canada.
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:37 PM
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16. We need a cure for health care in America
It's a shame that Profit Care is more important than Patient Care in East Tennessee and southwest Virginia plus the health care system is allowed to run disgustingly misleading advertising concerning what is really deemed, defended and supported as "THE ACCEPTABLE STANDARDS OF HEALTH CARE". http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62
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