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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 06:44 PM
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What the World Expects from America
http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/04/torture_from_afar_1.php

Torture from Afar
James Fallows
20 Apr 2009 08:34 am


Since the time the torture memoranda were released last week, I've been in parts of rural China where most people would have a hard time naming the current US president, let alone expressing a view about how he should handle those who endorsed a policy of torture or who carried it out. Now that I'm returning to big-city China, I see that the memoranda are inside-page news in the region's papers. This is so even in Hong Kong, where the editors can judge it on normal "news" grounds and not with whatever complications go into mainland Chinese reporting of the issue.

Nonetheless I contend that a full process of American self-examination and accountability will make a tremendous long-term difference in international views of the United States. Even among those who at the moment don't know that there is any controversy going on within the United States.

For as annoyed as foreigners may get with America and Americans, there have been two saving graces in the world's opinions of our country. One has been its permeability. Anywhere you go, someone has an uncle or cousin in America. The other, less openly stated, has been a belief that at some point there are rules in America. Long periods may pass when the rules are ignored. Big boys may bend the rules in their favor. Some offenses are never made right. And so on. But in the end, the American system is supposed to recognize injustice and respond -- including with public accountability for even the mightiest figures. It has this in common with the British and some other systems -- which is what Gandhi relied on in knowing he could "shame" the Brits. For all the increases in liberty within China over the last generation, this is a striking difference with the world's currently-rising power. No one expects China's current leadership to conduct a "truth commission" about the Cultural Revolution or Tiananmen. But people finally expect America to apply its own rules, even against its own people. Fulfilling that expectation is not sufficient for restoring America's image international standing. But it is necessary.

So even though most of the world's population has no idea of what is in the torture memos or of what will happen because of them, in the long run the Administration's decisions will have a significant worldwide effect. Being true to the world's idea of America does not (in my opinion) crucially turn on prosecuting individual CIA or military interrogators. Instead it depends on full clarifying disclosure of the reasoning that led to these practices -- thus, maximum disclosure of the memos -- and full examination of the decisions that public officials made.

At this point I don't think it's sensible to talk about legal sanctions for Administration officials from George W. Bush on down. But the historical record of what he approved, and what Dick Cheney recommended, what David Addington egged on, and what John Yoo and (sitting Federal Judge) Jay Bybee and others rationalized, should be established in unambiguous detail. For this, some American version of a "Truth Commission" is probably the best solution. Many other countries would not bother. America -- to be true to itself -- must. This will matter in the world's eyes. More important, it will matters to us.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 07:16 PM
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1. I am so disappointed in Mr. Obama. The right thing to do is clear.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 07:20 PM
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2. Well, I Doubt That You Can Shame All the Americans All of the Time
and I doubt you can shame all the Americans some of the time.

Shame has been removed from the national personality. Look at our banksters--not a particle of shame amongst the top 19 banks. Look at Timmy Geithner. Lies like a bad hairpiece.

The rest of the world will have to use something a little stronger and pointed, if they want to get the US to change. Something comparable to the flying planes into buildings gig, although hopefully not as destructive.
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