UT Students protest gun bill with walkout.

[elleng]

“Hey hey, ho ho, guns in school have got to go!” chanted about 200 UT students as they ascended the state Capitol’s south steps Thursday afternoon.

http://www.dailytexanonline.com/students-protest-gun-bill-with-walkout-1.1720208

[Lasher]

1. What, Texas doesn't already have a CCW permit?

And here I thought Texas was pro gun rights. I've had a CCW permit here in WV for years.

[Paladin]

2. Does The Name Charles Whitman Ring A Bell For You?

UT has a history of guns on campus, and it isn't a happy one.....

[Lasher]

3. Texas didn't have a CCW permit law until 1995

It was illegal in 1966 for Whitman to bring concealed weapons onto campus (and even to carry a concealed weapon) but that didn't stop him. He had a handgun with him but he didn't kill anyone with it, instead using a knife, shotgun, and rifles. Civilians brought out their personal firearms to assist police, who said these shooters should be credited, as they made it difficult for Whitman to take careful aim without being hit.

[Paladin]

4. More Gun Nut Fantasy

I was in Austin in August of 1966 when Whitman did his thing. You know what the sum total of all those civilians shooting at the tower was? Whitman abandoned his open and obvious stance on the observation deck, shoved his rifles through the rain spouts, and kept on killing people---his careful aim wasn't affected one damned bit. The police, contrary to your statement, begged and pleaded on radio and TV for civilians to stop all their shooting, which accomplished nothing other than putting a bunch of potentially lethal slugs in the air.

I had friends who lost family members that day. Don't you dare try to turn this tragedy into a some sort of RKBA milestone; spit on somebody else's grave.....

[Lasher]

5. Once Whitman could fire only from the water spouts his range of targets was greatly limited.

The source of praise for the civilian support is APD Officer Ramiro Martinez, who participated in the assault on the observation deck that day, resulting in Whitman's death. All my assertions are supported by this Wikipedia article. Perhaps you should consider signing up at Wikipedia so that you can edit the article to make it better conform to your recollection.

I am not trying to turn the tragedy into anything. If you have friends who lost loved ones that day I am sorry, but that does not mean your version of the event trumps mine or anyone else's. If it is too painful for you to objectively discuss this you have only yourself to blame for having brought up the subject in this public forum.

[xocet]

6. ...

Please keep telling these wonderful stories of virile aiming, cocking, firing and reloading; of heroic deeds of Uebermenschen; of the smell of hot, gun smoke in the air; of the glint of reflected sunlight from sweaty stocks and from gunmetal-gray barrels; of the by-gone days of men being men; and of women swooning in the hot excitement....

[Paladin]

9. As If A Wikipedia Article Is Conclusive Proof.

You're right---I could edit it, just like anybody else. Not exactly an unimpeachable source. Both radio and TV in Austin carried law enforcement pleas that civilian shooting be ended. I'm not making that up, and I Goddamned sure don't need any memory refresher from you, much less snotty lectures on objectivity. Nobody who was in Austin that day needs any help with their recollections; it's still like it just happened yesterday. Throw all the cheap insults at me you want---the fact is, I was there that day, you weren't, and any notion that some sort of Second Amendment beachhead was established is gun militant revisionism of the worst sort.....

[Lasher]

11. I didn't say Wikipedia was an unimpeachable source.

But then again, neither are you. I have at least furnished a reference, in sharp contrast with your contributions to the debate.

We were discussing the UT students' protest against a proposal to allow CCW permit holders to bring weapons onto campus. You brought up the Charles Whitman murders, and I replied to show that it was illegal at the time to bring concealed weapons onto campus, defeating your implication that similar tragedies might resultantly occur if the proposal were adopted.

You have responded with a ridiculous claim to omniscience on the subject. I followed the developments that day just like you did, through media reports. You have tried to censor my point of view with accusations of turning the tragedy into a some sort of RKBA milestone; spitting on victims' graves; and being snotty and cheap. And yet in a classic exercise of projection you accuse me of being insulting. If you have suffered from insult it has been self inflicted.

I am always up for fair debate but you are obviously unable to grasp the concept.

[Paladin]

12. You Tried To Couch The Incident As A Second Amendment Triumph.

I called your hand on it. End of story......

[winyanstaz]

7. I once read a question all gun banners should ask themselves.

"As you hide in utter terror under a desk while a crazy person is shooting everyone around you to death...would you rather have a gun or no gun under there with you?"
Myself, I would prefer by far to have a handgun under that desk. I just think I would feel safer and maybe be able to save some of my fellow victims' lives.
By far the majority of the mass murders to date have taken place where guns were banned.
The criminals KNOW no one can stop them because the criminals are the only ones with a gun. Gun laws do NOTHING to stop a criminal from having a gun. Period.
Getting rid of guns doesn't work. Just ask England..who used to have a no gun law. Now the cops have guns, the murder rate is way up and the citizens live in fear in a police state with cameras on every corner and people going through your garbage just to fine you even more of your hard earned money.
Just ask Poland if getting rid of guns worked. Hitler marched in right after Poland citizens were disarmed.
Just ask Australia if getting rid of guns works. While your at it..check out how many many more home invasions and robberies are now occuring..especially to those living outside of town. The robbers know there is nothing to stop them and they can be long gone before the cops show up.
It is far better to use education and defense training in the safe and proper use of a gun then to leave your family and your life in danger. Danger is what your in when you have no way to defend yourself in todays world.
If you don't believe this last statement..go ahead and post in the local news of your area that you have no guns at your house. I am sure a lot of criminals will find it most interesting and you will shortly change your mind. That is, if you are still alive to change it.

[xocet]

8. "Danger is what your in...."

Links, my dear Watson, links.

Rather (in translation to the Subject dialect): "Lynx, my dear Watson, lynx!" Funny how my last sentence reminds me of a anecdotal quotation from an early episode of ERR:

"Hugh Moran to the ICU, Hugh Moran to the ICU, STAT!

[depakid]

10. "Just ask Australia if getting rid of guns works."

Australians would flat out call you liar, mate.

and btw: No mass shootings since the gun buyback program in 1996 (spurred on by the Port Authir tragedy.