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NOW tense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 08:24 AM
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You Are Being Lied to About Pirates
Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy - backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the US to China - is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the-shoulder pantomime villains.

<Snip>

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/you-are-being-lied-to-abo_b_155147.html

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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 08:31 AM
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1. K&R
i have a soft spot for pirates.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 08:32 AM
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2. No surprise - I just assume we're being lied to about everyfuckingthing
But there is something sort of funny about Tony Soprano v. Pirates of the Caribbean
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 08:34 AM
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3. I knew they were doing something else. They always are. Evil bastards!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 08:50 AM
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4. here are two articles that are better than johann hari`s
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 08:50 AM by madrchsod
these articles contain more information on the scope of the problem.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2008/10/2008109174223218644.html

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gVV_gQDsp1m8v7nPcumVc5McYV-Q


this has not reported by any media source in the usa.
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NOW tense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 08:58 AM
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6. Thanks
It is very troubling that we think this is a problem of ships being captured. What about the clean up of all of this. Dumping waste into water effects all of us. Do these people not realize the impact that can have world wide. We are lucky that sea life can't fight back, because we have used the ocean as our toilet for far to long. What about all the fishing off the same coast that goes back to Europe?
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:03 PM
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26. "Do these people not realize the impact that can have world wide"
They do not care. Profit at all cost.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:41 AM
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10. It's been going on for years - here's an article from 2001
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0508-01.htm

Published on Tuesday, May 8, 2001 by the Inter Press Service
Poor Countries - the North's Radioactive Dump
by Jorge Piña

ROME - The developing South has become the dump for hundreds of thousands of tonnes of radioactive waste from the world's rich countries, a colossal business which is linked to money laundering and gunrunning, say lawmakers and activists in Italy.

''The trafficking of radioactive waste, a large part of which goes to countries of the South, constitutes a business of gigantic proportions, amounting to more than seven billion dollars a year in Italy alone,'' Massimo Scalia, the chairman of an investigative commission set up by the Italian parliament, told IPS.

Scalia said that every shipload of nuclear waste represents around five million dollars in profits.

The Italian justice system is investigating the trafficking of radioactive waste to the developing South, particularly African countries like Somalia, Sudan, Eritrea, Algeria and Mozambique.

The information gathered in the two main legal probes, carried out in the northern Italian cities of Milan and Asti, and the data compiled by the parliamentary commission demonstrate that two of the methods for getting rid of such waste are dumping it into the sea in special metal containers designed to sink to the bottom, or purposely sinking the ship carrying the waste, and reporting it as an accident.

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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 08:55 PM
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28. With other forms of toxic waste too
For decades toxic waste has been sent to Africa.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 08:54 AM
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5. A ship full of nuclear waste is intrinsically well-defended.
Like the creature in Alien that bleeds acid, you don't dare shoot at it!

There needs to be some serious international regulations and organizations which can SEVERELY sanction corporations and punish the officers who who cheap out on toxic waste disposal.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:29 AM
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7. When I read stories like this, I don't feel hopeful.
How long are we going to foul our nest & think the crap will just take care of itself? Will the human collective ever learn that actions have consequences? How much of a smack down do we need before we wake up? We are consuming & polluting our ecosystem for profit. We are consuming what sustains us. :banghead:

The 11th Hour, watch it! It was better than An Inconvenient Truth, although, both suffer from being more positive about our future than I am. I thought it covered more aspects of the problem than AIT did.

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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:25 PM
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19. Always wondered if the fuckers who make money dumping waste or violating regulations for
food, water safety and other environmental and consumer concerns in general ever realize that they themselves might be affected by their actions. Either in the long-term ( that seems to be enormously hard to grasp ) or the short-term, for example that they might drink poisoned water, too because some other money-horny asshole dumped his crap somewhere illegally for example.
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:28 PM
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23. They are not that smart.......all they see is the $$$$
There are stories about mafia-hired trucking companies taking toxic industrial waste onto the turnpikes at night (in the rain) and opening up the spigots to "let it fly".
Wonder if they would be bothered if the family station wagon, with their kids inside, were to travel that same road?
Fuckers...
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cpamomfromtexas Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 08:37 AM
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33. In Oklahoma where I grew up they did this with oil sludge
on the roads and when it looked like rain, they'd just cut the dike and pump it into our creek, which killed all the little catfish we had.

Funny thing- my dad had a radio rigged up so we could hear what the oil companies were saying and when they said to cut the dikes, it looks like rain, we got in our little airplane and flew over and took pictures. My parents fought the good fight, but just couldn't get those oil sucking juries to convict anyone.

I left skidmarks leaving oklahoma, that place just sucks.
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 09:24 PM
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35. 11th Hour
I bought it but I've been afraid to watch, I'm already so freaked out. The only thing worse than the spills, dumps, burns, extinctions happening every day is the number of humans who just don't care.

I think I'll try to watch it right now.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:32 AM
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8. That was a good bit of fiction. Wishful thinking at best
This author seems to mistake his opinions and views for historical fact as well as current fact.
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NOW tense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:39 AM
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9. Why are they doing it then?
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 10:40 AM by NOW tense
Are you as smart as the fake doctor?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:51 AM
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11. They are driven by the same thing that motivates many people
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 10:55 AM by nomad1776
$$$$$$$$. They have made millions in ransom. The Pirates of Somalia are very much like the Mafia mentioned in the article. They have $$$, women and respect in their villages. It makes the risks worth it.

Here check out this story, where the reporters went farther than their living room.

http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:3tVazh_MPsMJ:www.twincities.com/news/ci_11277888%3Fsource%3Drss+somalia+pirates+women&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


now for your history lesson, you are assigned this reading

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Pirates


:eyes:
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:44 PM
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20. Likely 2 separate stories, that have nothing to do with each other.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:53 AM
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12. The Author is Attibuting Piracy and Kidnapping
to protests over the dumping of nuclear waste? That's a new one.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:34 AM
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17. If you ask a pirate
"It is true," said a 28-year-old pirate called Jama. "We are getting very rich."
Jama, who described himself as a high-ranking member of a group based in Eyl, has earned $375,000 as a pirate, enough to buy a Toyota Land Cruiser and begin building a six-bedroom house in Garowe, the regional capital, for his family. His biggest payday came last month, when he earned a $92,000 share of a $1.3 million ransom for a Greek ship, the MV Centauri, released after 10 weeks with its crew unharmed.

Almost overnight, Jama said, his standing with the fairer sex improved dramatically.

"There was a girl who lived in Garowe," 100 miles from Eyl, Jama said. "I loved her. I tried to approach her many times, but she rejected me. But since I became a pirate, she has tried nine times to get with me.

"But I refused, because I'm already married."

http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:3tVazh_MPsMJ:www.twincities.com/news/ci_11277888%3Fsource%3Drss+somalia+pirates+women&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:07 AM
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13. I don't buy it...
These thugs are just greedy fucking criminals that prey on susceptable ships. It is bullshit to attribute their behavior to protest.

If there is any truth to the dumping charges then that is an issue that needs to be dealt with, no doubt, but please don't claim these criminals are doing something altruistic. It is bullshit.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:17 AM
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14. As well you should, what is scary is how many DUers are (judging by the recs)
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:23 AM
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15. Oh... so this is why they are demanding ransom payments for taking uninvolved cargo ships?

So these Somali pirates are some sort of seaborne environmental protestors like Greenpeace? Is that it?

No sale.

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:27 AM
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16. I call bullshit.
This article is complete fiction.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:59 AM
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18. No it is not. Google illegal fishing dumping off somalia coast and see how many articles you find.
Their fishing industry has been destroyed. Europe in particular has been dumping their industrial waste off the coast and huge fishing trawlers from Korea, Thailand, and many other countries have decimated their fishing grounds.

That does not excuse the piracy but isn't it interesting that none of this was reported. This piracy began with the fisherman seizing trawlers and escalated from there.

If you really want to know, google it. There is no lack of information, just lack of interest on the part of western nations.

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:46 PM
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21. I see little or no connection between Piracy and dumping nuclear waste
2 separate issues, right?
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:27 PM
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22. wasn't the first pirate story about the crew being dead or disfigured on one of the ships captured n
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:58 PM
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25. Yes, here is a picture of the captain
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:30 PM
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24. This is already illegal
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 01:32 PM by kristopher
http://www.imo.org/Conventions/contents.asp?topic_id=258&doc_id=681
The Convention on the Prevention of Marine Pollution by Dumping of Wastes and Other Matters was ratified in 1996.

It has several serious loopholes, especially in the way it bans a given list of known harmful chemicals without providions for regular review to expand the list to include new chemical compounds of unknown toxicity. As implemented it will alsway be playing a game of catchup with the chemical industry. However, nuclear wastes are different and clear - not allowed.

http://marinebio.org/Oceans/OceanDumping.asp









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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 05:46 PM
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27. Something smells "fishy" about the "facts" in this article...
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 05:47 PM by file83
#1: On one hand it is claimed that the Europeans are dumping all kinds of toxic waste in the ocean off the coast of Somalia.

#2: On the other hand, it is claimed the Europeans are ALSO STEALING FISH from those same waters.

Now why do I find both of those "facts" contradictory?

If "fact" #1 were true, then wouldn't the fish being stolen from those waters be toxic too?

Something smells fishy about the claims of this article.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 09:21 PM
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29. UN: Nuclear Waste Being Released on Somalia's Shores After Tsunami
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 09:54 PM by Dover


This is a crime of the most heinous nature and must be both stopped/prosecuted AND cleaned up IMMEDIATELY!!! This has been going on for nearly two DECADES!


'Toxic waste' behind Somali piracy


By Najad Abdullahi

Some pirates operating off Somalia's coast claim to act as coastguards.

Somali pirates have accused European firms of dumping toxic waste off the Somali coast and are demanding an $8m ransom for the return of a Ukranian ship they captured, saying the money will go towards cleaning up the waste.

The ransom demand is a means of "reacting to the toxic waste that has been continually dumped on the shores of our country for nearly 20 years", Januna Ali Jama, a spokesman for the pirates, based in the semi-autonomous region of Puntland, said.

"The Somali coastline has been destroyed, and we believe this money is nothing compared to the devastation that we have seen on the seas."

The pirates are holding the MV Faina, a Ukrainian ship carrying tanks and military hardware, off Somalia's northern coast.

According to the International Maritime Bureau, 61 attacks by pirates have been reported since the start of the year.

While money is the primary objective of the hijackings, claims of the continued environmental destruction off Somalia's coast have been largely ignored by the regions's maritime authorities.

..cont'd

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2008/10/2008109174223218644.html

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Nairobi
23 February 2005

A United Nations' report released this week says nuclear and hazardous wastes dumped on Somalia's shores had been scattered by the recent Asian tsunami and are now infecting Somalis in coastal areas.

A spokesman for the United Nations Environment Program (UNEP), Nick Nuttall, told VOA that for the past 15 years or so, European companies and others have used Somalia as a dumping ground for a wide array of nuclear and hazardous wastes.

"There's uranium radioactive waste, there's leads, there's heavy metals like cadmium and mercury, there's industrial wastes, and there's hospital wastes, chemical wastes, you name it,” he said. “It's not rocket science to know why they're doing it because of the instability there."

Mr. Nuttall said, on average, it cost European companies $2.50 per ton to dump the wastes on Somalia's beaches rather than $250 a ton to dispose of the wastes in Europe.

He said the Asian tsunami dislodged and smashed open the drums, barrels, and other containers, spreading the contaminants as far away as 10 or more kilometers inland.

Mr. Nuttall said it is impossible to know the exact tonnage or number of containers of wastes on Somalia's shores, but that the problem, in his words, "is very serious."

The results of the contamination on coastal populations, Mr. Nuttall says, have been disastrous.

cont'd

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2005-02/2005-02-23-voa23.cfm

----

From August of 1999!!!

Release - SW/AAJ 25/99, 29 Aug 1999

Nuclear Waste Dumped on Somali Waters

There are reports of Nuclear Waste Dumping activities on Somali Waters (attach). This is yet another episode of the sad maritime situation in Somalia Waters. Lately, the illegal maritime activities have been on the rise, and there have been many cases of dead marine animals washing off at the coasts of Somalia, especially on the Indian Ocean side.

The General-Secretary of the UN suggested in Para 71 of his report - Report of the Secretary-General of the United Nations on the situation in Somalia- dated 16 Aug 1999 - that;

quote, " ....action could be taken by the international community to assist Somalia to recover its sovereignty in certain limited fields, for example the protection of offshore natural resources. Efforts could also be made to limit the introduction of illegal arms and weapons into the country...." , unquote

Somalia Watch Organization (SW) also made several news releases on the subject matter and can be read in our home page www.somaliawatch.org.

SW hopes that the security council and the international community will address this tragic situation by helping Somalia recover its sovereignty as a nation along the guidelines recommended by the General Secretary so that the nuclear and other toxic waste dumping in Somalia can be stopped...cont'd

http://www.somaliawatch.org/archive/990829501.htm

-----

Somali Waste Imports
1. The Issue

During the Somali civil war hazardous waste was dumped in this
African nation by industrialized countries. The alleged
perpetrators were Italian and Swiss firms who supposedly entered
into a contract with the Somali government to dump waste in the war
ravaged African nation. The issue of dumping in Somalia is two
fold in that it is both a legal question and a moral question.
First, is there a violation of international treaties in the
export of hazardous waste to Somalia. Second, is it ethically
questionable to negotiate a hazardous waste disposal contract with
a country in the midst of a protracted civil war and with a
government that can best be described as tenuous and factionalized?

2. Description

With the abdication of President Siad Barre in 1989, the
country of Somalia was thrown in a state of anarchy. The country
is currently ruled by a series of warlords each holding a small
section of the country. The rival factions have been at war with
each other since the mid-eighties and a mission by the United
Nations to stabilize the country has now ended in apparent
political failure. The war led to a serious famine that was solved
by the intervention. Less publicized was the exploitation of the
Somalian crisis by firms who specialize in the disposal of
hazardous waste.

In the fall of 1992 reports began to appear in the
international media concerning unnamed European firms that were
illegally dumping waste in Somalia. By most reports, several
thousand tons of waste, mostly processed industrial waste, had
already been dumped there. It was also reported that waste was
seen being dumped off the Somali coast into the Indian Ocean. To
further compound the country's environmental problems, a storage
facility in northern Somalia filled with pesticides had been
destroyed during the war. The spilt chemicals and resulting fire
poisoned one of the few sources of drinking water in the famine
ravaged country.

What caused controversy in 1992, however, was reports of a
contract established between a Swiss firm, Achair Partners, and an
Italian firm, Progresso, with Nur Elmy Osman, who claimed to be the
Somali Minister of Health under an interim government headed by Ali
Mahdi Muhammad. Osman had been a health official in the Barre
government, but allegedly was no longer recognized as a government
official by Ali Mahdi. Osman had supposedly entered into an $80
million contract in December of 1991, whereby the two firms would
be allowed to build a 10 million ton storage facility for hazardous
waste. The waste would first be burned in an incinerator to be
built on the same site and then stored in the facility at the rate
of 500,000 tons a year.

Reports of the alleged contract outraged the world community.
The United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) investigated the
matter at the urging of Somalia's neighbors and the Swiss and
Italian governments. What ensued was a period of accusations as
both firms denied entering into any agreement, Osman denied signing
any contract and the Swiss and Italian governments said they had no
knowledge of the two firms activities.

As a result of the UNEP's investigation, the contract was
declared null and the facility was never built. Still it became
apparent to the UNEP's director Dr. Mustafa Tolba that the firms of
Achair Partners and Progresso were set up specifically as
fictitious companies by larger industrial firms to dispose of
hazardous waste. At one point Dr. Tolba declared that the UNEP was
dealing with a mafia...cont'd

http://www.american.edu/TED/somalia.htm




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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:16 AM
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30. This is very helpful. Thanks for posting it. n/t
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 04:49 PM
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34. Here's more (in Energy/Environment Forum)
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:53 AM
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31. What a crock of shit .. I'm supposed to feel sorry for the poor
little pirates?

I hope naval ships start firing missiles at these pirate boats.

I guarantee the number of hijack attempts will be reduced dramatically if they know an AGM-84 SLAM is headed their way.


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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 10:42 PM
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36. What a man you are!
I bet your penis is HUGH!
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 08:19 AM
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32. Two entirely separate issues. n/t
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 11:51 PM
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37. I'm sure that most of those pirates are not into their "craft" for altruistic reasons. But,
when the country you live in is dirt poor and economic opportunity knocks, you'd better take it or your family starves. If you get lucky and rake in some big bucks that's part of the risk vs. reward factor.

Anyone who thinks the Somali's have no reason to resort to piracy is, to say it politely, misinformed. Those African fishermen in their small boats have been displaced and their source of food and revenue has been raped, pillaged, and plundered by international commercial fishing interests. The high seas, immense as they are and barely patrolled by any fishing-enforcement bodies, are one of the last frontiers for high-tech piracy of the commercial fishing variety.

To get a feel for what has been going on with our once seemingly inexhaustible fisheries read a book called "Cod" by Mark Kurlansky. A fishery that had thrived for thousands of years and fed people all over the globe was laid low in our lifetimes by commercial fishing interests who refused to acknowledge that they were destroying their own livelihoods.

Another book worth reading on this topic is "Hooked: Pirates, Poaching, and the Perfect Fish" by G. Bruce Knecht. This story is the tale of very recent episodes of piracy in the quest for the tasty Patagonia Toothfish aka Chilean Sea Bass of haute cuisine fame and involves a chase of a Spanish piracy consortium ship by the Australian Navy.

One poster expressed disbelief that commercial fishing interests would fish in waters used for dumping of industrial and nuclear wastes. WAKE THE FUCK UP, people. These international conglomerates do not give a flying fuck if they sell us fish that were caught in a sewer pipe, much less from a dumping ground. All they are worried about is making money by dragging nets and hauling in whatever fish they can catch. Right now, the only place in the world that Bluefin tuna are protected are off of the U.S. coast; although, the EU allegedly has a moratorium on their harvest that is ignored by these pirates of the high seas. Our GIANT Bluefin tuna are gone. Now we have the same Bluefins in miniscule numbers who never live long enough to reach the size of those magnificent ocean-going nomadic eating machines that were the giants. Just one of many vanishing species that are succumbing to our ever-increasing mouths to feed and desire for $$$.

Which pirates are we being lied to about? The Somalis who took to the seas as pirates because we industrialized nations sent our pirates into their waters to destroy their livelihood and resources and fill the ocean with toxic waste, or the international pirates who steal the fish and dump the waste?

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