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dtotire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:45 PM
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RICE: PEOPLE WILL SOON THANK BUSH FOR WHAT HE'S DONE
Edited on Mon Dec-29-08 10:33 PM by Lithos
RICE: PEOPLE WILL SOON THANK BUSH FOR WHAT HE'S DONE

3:30 p.m. EST, Sun December 28, 2008

(CNN) -- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said that despite President Bush's low approval ratings, people will soon "start to thank this president for what he's done."
"So we can sit here and talk about the long record, but what I would say to you is that this president has faced tougher circumstances than perhaps at any time since the end of World War II, and he has delivered policies that are going to stand the test of time," Rice said in an interview that aired on CBS' "Sunday Morning."


The secretary of state brushed off reports that suggest the United States' image is suffering abroad. She praised the administration's ability to change the conversation in the Middle East.
"This isn't a popularity contest. I'm sorry, it isn't. What the administration is responsible to do is to make good choices about Americans' interests and values in the long run -- not for today's headlines, but for history's judgment," she said.


"And I am quite certain that when the final chapters are written and it's clear that Saddam Hussein's Iraq is gone in favor of an Iraq that is favorable to the future of the Middle East; when the history is written of a U.S.-China relationship that is better than it's ever been; an India relationship that is deeper and better than it's ever been; a relationship with Brazil and other countries of the left of Latin America, better than it's ever been ...
"When one looks at what we've been able to do in terms of changing the conversation in the Middle East about democracy and values, this administration will be judged well, and I'll wait for history's judgment and not today's headlines."


Asked by CBS' Rita Braver why some former diplomats say Americans are disliked around the world, Rice said that's "just not true."
"I know what U.S. policy has achieved. And so I don't know what diplomats you're talking to, but look at the record," she said.


Edited to 4 paragraphs to conform to DU's fairuse policy for copyrighted material.

Lithos
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/28/rice.administration/index.html

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:46 PM
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1. ROFLMAO
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:50 PM
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2. Not so fast--Condi may know something that we don't
Edited on Mon Dec-29-08 02:50 PM by rocknation
Bush IS still in charge for the next three weeks...

:scared:
rocknation
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 03:11 PM
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13. I was thinking the same thing when I saw the word "soon".
These creeps make their own reality & perception is everything to them.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 07:52 PM
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26. And Hell Is Freezing Over Even as She Opines
Yeah, sure. (A case where two positive words makes a negative response).
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:50 PM
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:51 PM
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4. Moved back to Texas? n/t
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:51 PM
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5. Yeah, like Jan 21, THANKS FOR LEAVING.
Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. Don't want the bum prints where good people will reside.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:51 PM
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6. Yeah, and they're going to build statues of him in Iraq town squares


as the "Great Liberator."

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:55 PM
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7. Will someone please get Beaver a retainer for those teeth. Less whistle.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:55 PM
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8. No doubt that. A lot of people are going to thank him profusely.
Look how much of our money he's given to war profiteers, corrupt mortgage companies, the oil industry, the weapons industry...

There will be a short but rich line of people waiting to pay him... Um, thank him, for what he's done for them.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:57 PM
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9. she sat on her silly ass before 9/11 and didn't even know who or what
Al Qaida were. She ignored the threat, she gave horrible advice to a stupid, unread, incurious pseudo-cowboy, AND allowed 9/11 to happen on her watch. She led the charge for attacking Iraq, based on her lies. She fucked up reconstruction of Iraq. Twice.

And this little twit claims that George will be vindicated?

BULL
SHIT
YOU
SILLY
****!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 03:01 PM
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10. What, he's going to resign early? nt
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 03:08 PM
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11. Just wait until she gets out from under that bubble. Ignorance is bliss.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 03:09 PM
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12. That make about as much sense as she does
~
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 03:14 PM
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14. High Lies
Edited on Mon Dec-29-08 03:14 PM by Xipe Totec
(With apologies to John Gillespie Magee)

Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of truth,
And cast my lies from crimson-lipsticked lips;
Onward I've lied, and weaved a rambling myth
Of grateful crowds ...and claimed a hundred things
You have not swallowed...weaved, demurred and spun
Fading into sullen silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting media along, and flung
My eager crap through endless streams of wind.
Up, up, the false, delirious flaming lies
I've topped the biggest ones with easy grace
When neither Rove, nor even Cheney could.
And while with soiled, uplifted heels I've trod
The pure untrespassed sanctity of truth...
...put out my hand, and poked the eye of God.
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 03:14 PM
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15. Laura? Condi? I believe I will reserve judgement until I hear from Barbara Bush...
Condi's thesis that what historians write now is "bad" history and that Bush can't be judged until several decades from now, when - as we all know - the "good" history gets written, is about the most self-serving line I've ever heard a public official utter.

She is right in some respects... The people who were maimed or lost family members in Iraq will grow old and die. Same with the people of New Orleans. Fifty years from now, few will remember that the US President approved torturing our prisoners or setting aside our civil liberties. If people have jobs again and security and can afford college for their kids and a peaceful retirement... Then W. might just skitter off into the fog of posterity without anyone being the wiser...

But I doubt it...
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 03:14 PM
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16. Still not working on telling the truth anytime soon, is she?
Fuck you Condi. We do not "share the same values".*

* The reason why I purposefully failed the FSO test. Not to be partisan but out of fucking principal once I realized the last part of the test was parroting "her values."
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 03:25 PM
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17. and anyone cares what she says anymore because...?
:boring:
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 03:37 PM
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18. Heh... I misread the headline as "RICH people will soon thank *"
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 04:04 PM
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19. I certainly will thank him if he'll just do one thing: plead guilty at The Hague.
Or why be so legalistic? I'll thank him if he'll just order himself and his cronies to be sent to Gitmo.
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 04:12 PM
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20. An Open Letter to Condoleeza Rice
Dear Condi,

How have you been? We haven't heard that much from you lately. Perchance you've been doing double duty as Secretary of State and contributing to the spin cycle that is the Smirkturd Legacy? I have got to hand it to you, you're one hell of a multitasker, holding down two full-time jobs at once. I saw the comments you made, and I have to agree with you 100%. I, for one, WILL be thanking George Bush for all he's done.

Now before you get happy about that, let me tell you why. I prefer to be topical, so let's address a few of the things you said are the reasons why we should all be genuflecting before the boy king.

"So we can sit here and talk about the long record, but what I would say to you is that this president has faced tougher circumstances than perhaps at any time since the end of World War II, and he has delivered policies that are going to stand the test of time," Rice said in an interview that aired on CBS' "Sunday Morning."


Well, Condi, I have to tell you, while it may be true that he has faced "tougher circumstances" (we'll leave out Vietnam, Korea, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Cold War in general because that's not the main contention here), the President's actions and policies are what you have to look at to determine whether the rubber met the road on his watch. Well, they didn't. Some were shortsighted, some were cruel, and some were meant to start a war by hoodwinking an ignorant populace. These policies, I'm sorry to say, will NOT stand the test of time. The policies, if I may be so bold as to suggest, are the reason why Republicans are now the minority party in Washington.


The secretary of state brushed off reports that suggest the United States' image is suffering abroad. She praised the administration's ability to change the conversation in the Middle East.
"This isn't a popularity contest. I'm sorry, it isn't. What the administration is responsible to do is to make good choices about Americans' interests and values in the long run -- not for today's headlines, but for history's judgment," she said.


Ms. Rice. You're not a very good liar. You are the Secretary of State... the head of our foreign policy making... if anyone knows about our image abroad it is you. I know about our image abroad, too, and while I'm not the expert, your characterization is embarrassingly off, well outside any reasonable margin of error. It's really nice to know that travelers from the U.S. can count on harassment in one form or another abroad because we don't work and play well with others. It may not be a popularity contest, but courting friends in other countries is part of the point of foreign relations and diplomacy. I mean seriously, Condi, isn't it a sight easier to get people to help you out when you're their friends? Would you ask your greatest rivals to help you move? Would you attend the birthday party of a person who is antagonistic to you? Of course not, so why do you think it is any different simply because the actions are writ large? History will judge, and in the minds of our allies and enemies overseas alike, history will come down hard on a man who wasted eight years of his country's time picking fights with the rest of the world.

"And I am quite certain that when the final chapters are written and it's clear that Saddam Hussein's Iraq is gone in favor of an Iraq that is favorable to the future of the Middle East; when the history is written of a U.S.-China relationship that is better than it's ever been; an India relationship that is deeper and better than it's ever been; a relationship with Brazil and other countries of the left of Latin America, better than it's ever been ...
"When one looks at what we've been able to do in terms of changing the conversation in the Middle East about democracy and values, this administration will be judged well, and I'll wait for history's judgment and not today's headlines."


Iraq? Favorable to the future of the Middle East? So you see a clearly marked increase in good joss when despotism is replaced by internecine tribal conflict along religious lines? India and Pakistan once again coming to blows, and because of our "deeper" relationship for one of the combatants, this somehow transmutes into good? China pumping the world full of cheap, tainted goods, sickening our people and killing our pets, but our relationship with them is better because we don't adequately enforce import controls? Democracy and values? Putting aside your beloved Bush's complete lack of appreciation for either when his OWN country is concerned, I feel that this talk of democracy and values is just another bit of code for unrestricted free enterprise and profit seeking.

Asked by CBS' Rita Braver why some former diplomats say Americans are disliked around the world, Rice said that's "just not true."
"I know what U.S. policy has achieved. And so I don't know what diplomats you're talking to, but look at the record," she said.


As do I, Condi. As do I. Despite the media's conspicuous lack of coverage of issues which may cast shadow on the administration, I do know what U.S. policy has achieved. I AM looking at the record. Failure after failure punctuated with the occasional "no decision".

Asked about historians who say Bush is one of the worst presidents, Rice said those "aren't very good historians."


Really, Condi? Whom would you nominate? Nixon? At least he had the temerity to resign. Who would you cast as the worst President ever? The truth is that historians are historians, you are a Secretary of State who hitched her conscience to the Bush wagon, and are now associated ignominiously with it. One has to wonder whether you are speaking for Bush's legacy here or your own. No serious historian can look at the debacle of the last eight years, the endless multicar pileup of divisive policy, political hatchetry, and just plain old stupidity, without Bush being considered at least one of the worst Presidents if not the worst. The cavalier nature of the man while executing his charge, the complete lack of respect that Bush has shown for the Constitution, our foreign allies, and just about every other thing that you could name that fell into his purview, is an insult to the oath he took. No other President of any recollection has more betrayed the American people than this failed executive-by-birthright.


But I came here to tell you why I will be thanking your boss.

I thank George W. Bush for exposing a very important truth that many in this society had forgotten in our self-involved consumerist ignorant-by-choice society. It is unfortunate that such a complete incompetent had to show up for the memory of that truth to be sparked into our consciousness. That truth is that we, the people, are responsible for the quality of the government, and it is our duty to hold ourselves responsible for any mistakes that happen along the way. No longer will people be content to simply let the executive go about his job without scrutiny, as has been the case for the past 30 years. It took SCRAPING THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL to find out just what kind of sludge was capable of making it into the highest office in the land. I thank him for being the example of what NOT to look for in a President. I thank him for being the same clueless fuck up he's been his entire useless life to show us just how important it is to have competency in government regardless of your particular political alignment. People forgot that government at its best does some good, and government at its worst destroys the nation it governs from within.

So thank George for me. Maybe once history has had its final judgment about his legacy, I will join him for a beer. I figure, he'll need a few beers to cry into.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 05:10 PM
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21. I want some of what she's on. NT
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 05:17 PM
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22. Thanks!!!
For helping get Obama elected President.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 06:22 PM
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23. ::facepalm::
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 07:01 PM
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24. Oh yeah...Thanks, George.
:rant: Thanks for decimating the Endangered Species Act and ensuring that we've got an even bigger polluted mess to clean up than there was to begin with.

Thanks for starting a war with Iraq based on LIES, and being responsible for the MURDER of thousands of innocent people.

Thanks for abusing our troops and not giving a flying fuck about them when they return home in physical and emotional shreds.

Thanks for torturing those "enemies of Der Vaterland" because that's really endeared the rest of the world to our cause.

Thanks for making it easy for rich guys to enslave people from other countries and less fortunate circumstances, because we've just gotten so damned picky about fair wages and safety regulations and our right to organize unions. How spoiled we've become.

Thanks for making health care so readily available...for rich people, at least.

Thanks for fucking us over for the sake of your and your buddies' wallets.

Thanks a whole fucking lot, asshole. :rant:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 07:13 PM
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25. How can anyone listen to a person who spends all their time in expensive shops
looking for shoes? Or, who spends her time with her "personal fitness trainer" or on her hair, makeup and clothing?

It's so hard to take her seriously and that most Americans give her a 70% approval rating while Chimpy's is at 29% and US Congress is at l6% leads me to believe that "Little Star" was definitely born under planets that gave her "immunity from her own Fascist/Torturing persona." "Little Star" is above all of us because she was born under a favorable Sun & Moon with a silver spoon in her little mouth.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 08:00 PM
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27. She must be on dope (NT)
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rcsl1998 Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 08:13 PM
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28. Wait A Second - Thanks, George! For Destroying The Republican Party!
...at least the one that's reared it's ugly head these last few decades...
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 08:38 PM
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29. And thanks for not dropping dead on the job
and leaving us with Dead Eye Dick.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 08:57 PM
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30. oh, wait, did he croak? I missed the news...
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