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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 10:12 PM
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Are US officials guilty of war crimes?
Edited on Mon Dec-22-08 10:13 PM by kpete
Source: The Daily Star

Are US officials guilty of war crimes?
By Andy Worthington
Commentary by
Tuesday, December 23, 2008

Will the Bush administration be held accountable for war crimes? The answer ought to be yes, if the verdict of the Senate Armed Services Committee Inquiry into the Treatment of Detainees in US Custody is to mean anything. The bipartisan report, released on December 11 by senators Carl Levin and John McCain, concluded that the torture and abuse of prisoners was the direct result of policies authorized or implemented by senior officials within the current administration, including President George W. Bush, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and Vice President Dick Cheney's former legal counsel (and now chief of staff) David Addington.

Since the scandal of the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq broke in April 2004, over a dozen investigations have identified problems concerning the treatment of prisoners in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo, but until now no official report has looked up the chain of command to blame senior officials for authorizing torture and instigating abusive policies. The Bush administration has been able to maintain, as it did in the wake of the Abu Ghraib scandal, that any abuse was the result of the rogue activities of "a few bad apples."

This is now untenable. As the report states: "The abuse of detainees in US custody cannot simply be attributed to the actions of 'a few bad apples' acting on their own. The fact is that senior officials in the United States government solicited information on how to use aggressive techniques, redefined the law to create the appearance of their legality, and authorized their use against detainees. Those efforts damaged our ability to collect accurate intelligence that could save lives, strengthened the hand of our enemies, and compromised our moral authority."

Though containing little new information, the report is damning in its revelation of how senior officials sought out and approved the reverse engineering of techniques taught in the US military's SERE schools (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape) for use on prisoners captured in the "war on terror." These include "stripping detainees of their clothing, placing them in stress positions, putting hoods over their heads, disrupting their sleep, treating them like animals, subjecting them to loud music and flashing lights, and exposing them to extreme temperatures." In some circumstances, the measures also included waterboarding, a notorious torture technique which involves controlled drowning.

After noting that these techniques were taught to train personnel "to withstand interrogation techniques considered illegal under the Geneva Conventions," and that they are "based, in part, on Chinese Communist techniques used during the Korean war to elicit false confessions," the authors laid out a compelling timeline for the introduction of the techniques, beginning with a crucial memorandum issued by Bush on February 7, 2002. This stated that the protections of the Geneva Conventions, which the authors noted "would have afforded minimum standards for humane treatment," did not apply to prisoners seized in the "war on terror."



Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=5&article_id=98633
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 10:15 PM
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1. Help Stop Bush Pardons
Sign the petition Hissyspit posted about...

David Swanson: Help Stop Bush Pardons

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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 10:17 PM
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2. Thanks for the link, I missed that post - nt
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 10:20 PM
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3. Definitely guilty and should have reservations at The Hague.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 10:25 PM
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4. Good article, I have read so many legal arguments that US official are indeed guilty
Edited on Mon Dec-22-08 10:26 PM by Dragonfli
Domestic and international law regarding war crimes are rather straight forward and simple.
What does it take to achieve Justice in a "nation of laws" these days?

Must the entire nation be shamed and dishonored by an international trial because we failed to recognize our own commitment to the law?

I have no doubt that if WE do not do it, it will only be a matter of time 'till someone else does, we are no longer the scary superpower we once were thanks to these criminals wasting of our treasure and defenses.
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 10:26 PM
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5. Only if U.S. and international laws are even remotely followed
The Bushcrime family would love it if the entire world would just go away and they pretty much tried to do just that. However, we stubborn humans are still around which is big-time trouble for most anti-American criminals to ever run this country -- republicans.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 10:50 PM
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6. Not forgetting
the current and future War Minister.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 11:14 PM
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7. No shit. You don't need to be a lawyer to know that.
Torture aside, waging a war of aggression is in itself a crime. How much of a crime? It was one of the charges levied at Nuremberg.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 10:57 AM
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11. Waging a war of aggression is "the supreme crime", the Nuremberg Tribunal
stated.

"the supreme crime"

The bush regime are war criminals; that's plain legal fact.

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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 01:53 AM
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8. Does the pope shit in the woods?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 03:55 AM
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9. Unquestionably. n/t
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 10:50 AM
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10. The FACTS say yes.
US law says yes; international law says yes.

Even plain bloody common fucking sense says yes.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 11:16 AM
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12. Here's what the Nazis were charged with at Nuremberg:
Waging aggressive war. Check.
Crimes against peace. Check.
War crimes. Check.
Crimes against humanity. Check.

Unresolved crimes are like festering wounds in a nation's psyche. Like the Germans, we have to acknowledge our national sins and take measures to ensure that they can never happen again.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 12:37 PM
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13. Yes, and some have also committed treason eom.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 06:25 PM
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14. Most Of Them, Actually
and a lot of Democrats, too. How's that table coming, Nancy Pelosi?
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