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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 12:32 PM
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WP, pg1: The End Of American Capitalism?
The End Of American Capitalism?
By Anthony Faiola
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 10, 2008; A01

The worst financial crisis since the Great Depression is claiming another casualty: American-style capitalism.

Since the 1930s, U.S. banks were the flagships of American economic might, and emulation by other nations of the fiercely free-market financial system in the United States was expected and encouraged. But the market turmoil that is draining the nation's wealth and has upended Wall Street now threatens to put the banks at the heart of the U.S. financial system at least partly in the hands of the government.

The Bush administration is considering a partial nationalization of some banks, buying up a portion of their shares to shore them up and restore confidence as part of the $700 billion government bailout. The notion of government ownership in the financial sector, even as a minority stakeholder, goes against what market purists say they see as the foundation of the American system. Yet the administration may feel it has no choice. Credit, the lifeblood of capitalism, ceased to flow. An economy based on the free market cannot function that way.

The government's about-face goes beyond the banking industry. It is reasserting itself in the lives of citizens in ways that were unthinkable in the era of market-knows-best thinking. With the recent takeovers of major lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the bailout of AIG, the U.S. government is now effectively responsible for providing home mortgages and life insurance to tens of millions of Americans. Many economists are asking whether it remains a free market if the government is so deeply enmeshed in the financial system.

Given that the United States has held itself up as a global economic model, the change could shift the balance of how governments around the globe conduct free enterprise. Over the past three decades, the United States led the crusade to persuade much of the world, especially developing countries, to lift the heavy hand of government from finance and industry.

But the hands-off brand of capitalism in the United States is now being blamed for the easy credit that sickened the housing market and allowed a freewheeling Wall Street to create a pool of toxic investments that has infected the global financial system. Heavy intervention by the government, critics say, is further robbing Washington of the moral authority to spread the gospel of laissez-faire capitalism....

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Other than a few fringe heads of state and quixotic headlines, no one is talking about the death of capitalism. The embrace of free-market theories, particularly in Asia, has helped lift hundreds of millions out of poverty in recent decades. But resentment is growing over America's brand of capitalism, which in contrast to, say, Germany's, spurns regulations and venerates risk....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/09/AR2008100903425_pf.html
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 12:33 PM
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1. Germany is Socialist...
Edited on Fri Oct-10-08 12:33 PM by redqueen
is it not?
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 12:35 PM
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2. no, it's not. unless you're a far-right lunatic. in that case, we're all socialist.
except maybe russia, and a few third-world nations.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 12:48 PM
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6. The German gov't owns Deutsche Post... which owns DHL.
Not entirely socialist... but not entirely capitalist either.

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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 01:35 PM
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7. i hardly think a publically-owned postal service is sufficient to qualify a nation as "socialist"
Edited on Fri Oct-10-08 01:41 PM by enki23
i'm not an anti-commie/socialist crusader, by the way. that definitely isn't my motivation. i agree they are "more socialist" in some senses of the word than we are. sure. but their economy is not a socialist economy. it's a regulated capitalist economy with something of a safety net.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 01:53 PM
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8. DHL isn't the postal service... it's FedEx's closest competitor. (nt)
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 08:23 PM
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10. Russia's not socialist, but it is totalitarian.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 12:39 PM
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3. * dons red dress to dance on the grave *
I never thought capitalism was all that, anyway.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 12:39 PM
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4. Reagan is dead! His policies live on but we're in the process of doing something about that.
Fuck you rush.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 12:47 PM
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5. Most of U.S. are in complete denial that this is economic feudalism
It's the tyranny of the wealthy, and the subjugation of everyone else. Under any circumstance the top 3% influence the game to their advantage.

The few bitch about socialization desires in the poor but demand socialization of their own misfortunes.

US capitalism has for a long time, maybe for all time, operated with two sets of rules. One set to make the decieved motivated to work harder, and the other set to make the wealth of the decievers even greater.

It just seems new because at times like this it's hard to hide the favored position of the wealthy.



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UK populist Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 04:14 PM
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9. European Governments of the People just believe there are some
necessities of life that are too important to be left to the free market.
Policing
Fire Brigades
Coast Guard
Health Care
Defense
Government housing for the poor.
Protection of the vulnerable I.e. Child Protection and elderly welfare (if they are not rich enough for their own nursing homes).
Regulators in all sectors are part of Government.

For the last 30 years many of our institutions have been privatized generally against the will of the people. This has been pushed on the public by US business friendly governments and has had a detrimental effect on the services we receive from the ones that have been privatized.

Water companies
Gas and Electric companies
Postal services
Refuse collection companies

There are probably more but I can't think of them at the moment.

We are currently battling against the privatization forces to keep our Health care and Social housing projects a government responsibility.

Ultimately all these Idiots that claims Europeans are Socialists is preposterous. It is obviously just an incredibly useful tool for the far right.

By the way just because Hitler called his movement National Socialism doesn't mean he was a socialist.
He was a pro-corporate Fascist just like the Right wants in the US.



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