Someone suggested I repost this as it's own thread (thanks for that; I was on a rant here...). The person I was responding to had said something about how we shouldn't be posting this stuff about Palin's family claiming we were so horrid it was no wonder "your party never wins a national election".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=380701&mesg_id=380701here is My Rant:
first of all, if you aren't a democrat, you really shouldn't be posting here
no offense, but your use of the term "no wonder your party can't win a national election" brings this to mind. If that was an error, fine and welcome!
Our party has won many national elections. In 2000, 2004 for starters. Diebold and massive voter disenfranchisement (proven by high up Republicans of all things) created a lie of an election -- the death of democracy.
Obama has called for people to leave families alone -- and good for him. At least he isn't a low life like the Republican candidate, who called his wife a c*nt, laughed at Hillary being called a bit*h, and called Chelsea Clinton the ugly child of two women. Yes, that is who "your party"? is running. And Rove just went on record calling Biden a "blowhard doofus". Yes, these are things to be proud of -- attacking children, women, ad hominen attacks against an HONORABLE family man, Joe Biden, whose family values make the republicans look like the hypocrites they are.
You know, I've been dealing with these calls to morality and chastising the Dems for this and here is my answer.
we didn't make Palin hide her daughter's pregnancy. We didn't suggest she lie. We didn't cover up her son's birth certificate. If you recall, being a candidate opens one up to all sorts of humiliations. Remember when the republicans ordered Obama to show his birth certificate and then got some nutjob to sue him saying it was fake? Yes, that was classy. Great irony is it is McCain who actually appears to have not been born on American soil. Palin's dishonesty brought this upon herself. She should have known better re how the press works, and if she doesn't, what is she doing running for VP? That's insane. We should trust her to go to a foreign country when she can't even navigate Day 1 of her announcement as running mate here? come on.
She claims she's Hillary? No one rolled out a red carpet for Hillary or took it easy on her, No, the republicans were horrible to her- they attacked her personally every day of Bill's presidency. They should be ashamed. They are lucky dems are not such horrid people, because there is plenty that could be said.
What we say in our OWN forum is no one else's business! this is for Dems only. It's like you're at our house. I can and do talk about whatever I want there. That doesn't mean I'm going to go public with that kind of statement. IF I go to Freeperland, guess what kind of hate they are spilling over there? They call for the death of liberals at least daily. So don't think I'm going to feel bad for expressing an opinion about a person who chose to run for VP when they should not have. He was careless offering it to her, and she was beyond foolish and self-deluded to accept.
We didn't go around preaching to the american public about how liberals were ruining the country with their horrible values. Doing that sort of sets you up to at least live up to the bar you've set for others. When a black 16 year old girl gets pregnant, you know what we hear from the "compassionate conservatives"? It's not pretty. Remember how they called Jamie Spears a whore? and accused her failing on being a liberal? She is actually a Christian from the south. But no matter. It's the hypocrisy that makes this look bad, and that isn't our fault.
let's get back to rational thought just for kicks. When you go around calling yourself a person who is capable of determining policies and where money should go, and then you decide that money should not go to sex ed or contraception, but in fact, you determine, if you preach abstinence, all will be fine. You make this decision even though all the research says otherwise. And why? Because you believe it, not because it's true or accurate. So, you are now acting IRRATIONALLY based on a belief which has been proven false by history.
Then, your own daughter, who you must feel was raised properly, proves you wrong again by getting pregnant at 16.
Do you reexamine your beliefs at this point? No, you soldier on and arm yourself with more spin.
None of this is the dems fault, my friend. We're just reporting the facts. And I don't feel bad one bit, because no one here is 1) a politician and 2) on the record.
Don't try to put us in a cage of what we can and can not say. This is what the friggin internet is for.
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