Have we gotten to stage 3 with the Hillary crowd yet?

[underpants]

The Kübler-Ross model describes, in five discrete stages, a process by which people allegedly deal with grief and tragedy, especially when diagnosed with a terminal illness. The model was introduced by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross in her 1969 book "On Death and Dying". The stages are known as the "Five Stages of Grief".
1. Denial:
* Example - "I feel fine."; "This can't be happening."
2. Anger:
* Example - "Why me? It's not fair!" "NO! NO! How can you accept this!"
3. Bargaining:
* Example - "Just let me live to see my children graduate."; "I'll do anything, can't you stretch it out? A few more years."
4. Depression:
* Example - "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die . . . What's the point?"
5. Acceptance:
* Example - "It's going to be OK."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."


Is that what all this is about? I know it seems like they are trying to already start her ME in 2012!!! campaign but maybe just maybe they are opening discussions as a form of negotiation.

Hopefully stage 4 will be between the convention and then stage 5 right in time for election day.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. Maybe stage 3 kicks in after Denver

I fear we're going to see stage 2 acted out in ways that will simply be embarrassing.

[underpants]

3. What, like this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6731727

[endthewar]

9. Sounds like stage 2 (anger) to me

[Tangerine LaBamba]

11. That was today?

Oh, man, it's never going to end...........

[bluestateguy]

2. The average Hillary supporter is on board already

Yet the media seems to be obsessed with the 20-25% of Hillary supporters who are not there yet.

[DJ13]

4. No, they still act like they're stuck on #2

They never went to #3 (bargaining), as many refuse to admit Obama won.

That probably wont happen until after the roll call where Hillary officially loses.

[madrchsod]

5. they will never be satisfied

they can go vote for grampa for all i care....

[BlueManDude]

6. The alleged disaffection of Clinton voters is a media driven non-issue.

[thunder rising]

7. I was hoping stage 3 was where they impaled themselves on their own knives.

[Mojambo]

8. A significant minority of Hillary supporters don't think it's over.

So the stages don't really apply for them.

An Obama loss in the general puts Hillary back in the mix in 2012 and that's all they care about.

[Two Americas]

10. so insulting and demeaning

This attitude is what is causing the divisions, not anything Clinton supporters are doing in my view.

I never supported Clinton and this makes me cringe. What purpose does it serve to pour salt in the wounds?

Why not make beating the right wingers a higher priority than getting petty revenge on fellow Democrats?

[underpants]

13. You are probably right

but this is about beating the Republicans or more accurately setting our government back on the right path

Yes it is divisive but I don't think it is insulting or demeaning but I can understand someone saying that

I am sick of hearing about what they think-yes they are a part of the party and I understand that politics is all about expanding your influence (real or otherwise) but it seems like there are three parties running right now. Maybe it will calm down after the convention, hopefully it will.

[Two Americas]

18. there is a serious split in the party

Those pointing it out are not causing it, necessarily. The feuding about the Clintons has become a stand in for that split, and is being orchestrated and fueled by the right wing in my opinion. The split needs to be resolved, or made permanent.

Senator Clinton's alleged sins are no worse, and similar to mistakes that the VP nominee has made over the years. That tells me that the bitter feuds within the party are actually about something else, and not Clinton's candidacy.

Clinton was 9th on my list of 9 candidates. But I think that the attacks on her and her supporters were very damaging, and for every Clinton supporter not letting go I see 10 people trying to bury everyone associated with her candidacy and stomp on them, and now anyone making even the mildest criticism of the party or the candidates, or even criticizing tactics and the campaign slogan, and anyone objecting to any of this, are all getting the same treatment, and then people are wondering why we don't have unity.

I am not sure that suppressing dissent within the party helps bring down the right wingers, and I am certain that beating on people, and mocking and ridiculing them, will not achieve the hoped for unity in any case.

[Warpy]

12. They're definitely in Stage 3

because they still think that bargaining, cajoling, backstabbing, and generally being assholes at the convention will somehow get her the nomination. Expect to see cheap theater as at least one is dragged off the floor, hissing and spitting.

Stage 4 will be when they realize that it's all over and even if they'd been able to cram her down the party's throat, the bad blood would have been so bad that they'd have assured four more years of the GOP.

I've actually seen people I considered to be hopeless cases start to come around, still heartily disliking Obama because he dethroned the queen, but realizing that he's not nearly as bad as his opponent.

Some of the hard core will never come around, just like some hard core cultists will always cling to the cult and its leader even after that leader goes to prison for a dozen heinous crimes. The Hillbullies are a cult of personality and always have been and such cults are notoriously hard to break. Expect them to write her name in for every presidential election until they expire.

[quickesst]

14. Simple solution....

...that seems beyond the grasp or scope of many here. If the lowbrow, ignorant, and illogical Clinton haters would just put a cork in their collective mouths, this shit wouldn't be an issue, here at DU anyway. They seem determined to alienate those Clinton supporters who are going to vote for Obama. Only idiots use the broad brush when discussing Clinton supporters, and they just haven't got a fucking clue what they're really doing. That's the power of Clinton hatred, and I doubt seriously, the guidelines you have laid out for disaffected Clinton supporters would ever find it's way to the end of the process with the bitter ones. They are in a class by themselves, and that ain't a compliment. Thanks.
quickesst

[emilyg]

15. You are not interested in unity.

[sam sarrha]

16. it will be over when the ReThuglican Trolls decide to quit and go back to listening to LimpBall

[JohnnyLib2]

17. From time to time, I help with grief counseling in real life.

It is truly sad to see the K-R stages repeatedly used in this manner, on DU.

[qwlauren35]

19. What I'm hearing sounds like stage 4.

There will be no bargaining. Now there is just hurt and disappointment. Resignation to "the inevitable" may come by November 4th, but we lose a lot if even half of her 18 million supporters choose not to actively campaign.