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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 02:18 PM
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Whispers of a Watergate for Bush
The response in the US to startling new allegations that the White House directed the forgery of evidence to support its case for the war in Iraq has been surprisingly muted so far. The charges may be false, of course, but if they are seriously examined and turn out to be true, this is – or ought to be – a Watergate-sized scandal.

Ron Suskind is a heavyweight: a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, and the author of a well-regarded book on the administration’s security policies, The One Per Cent Doctrine. His new book, The Way of the World: A Story of Truth and Hope in an Age of Extremism, which was published last week, contains the extraordinary new charge. It says that late in 2003 the White House ordered the Central Intelligence Agency to forge a memo dated July 2001 from Tahir Jalil Habbush, Saddam Hussein’s intelligence chief, to Saddam himself, affirming that Mohammed Atta, the September 11 2001 bomber, had contacts with the regime and that Iraq had an ongoing weapons of mass destruction programme.

This document has long been known about. It was splashed in the British press in December 2003, when The Sunday Telegraph reported on it. That story briefly entertained the possibility that the memo was phoney but insisted it was well vouched for by Iraqi sources. Reports in the US subsequently cast further doubt on it and the memo came to be seen as a fake. But up to now there has been no supported allegation from a reputable author that the White House and the CIA were behind it. That is what Mr Suskind alleges.

He says he has two senior CIA agents on tape confirming the story. They are now denying it. George Tenet, then head of the CIA, has denied the story as well: “There was no such order from the White House to me nor, to the best of my knowledge, was anyone from the CIA ever involved in any such effort.” The White House has denied it too, in effect: “The idea that the White House had anything to do with a forged letter purportedly from Habbush to Saddam is absurd.” But parts of the White House statement seemed, to me at any rate, a little hesitant and evasive.

In an interview, Condoleezza Rice, secretary of state, twice seemed to correct herself, saying that the White House could not have been involved after first referring to “the government” or “the United States”. And it was perhaps less than reassuring to hear her say this: “Look, the United States . . . the White House was not going to ask somebody to forge a letter on something of this importance.” On matters of less importance, it seems, greater vigilance might be warranted.

If Mr Suskind is correct, laws have been broken and President George W. Bush and/or Dick Cheney, his deputy, are implicated. And yet, as I say, the outcry is not exactly deafening. Mr Suskind did his tour of the television studios, repeating and even sharpening his attacks on the administration – and, so far, that is about it.

Washington goes to sleep in August. Congress is out of town. Time is running down on this administration, and the focus of political attention is on Barack Obama and John McCain. Most Americans divide into two camps: those who believe that the Bush White House cannot speak without lying, and who thus regard this new charge as no surprise; and those who are contemptuous of the administration’s critics and stopped listening way back. Yes, but still: an order not merely to spin evidence, or suppress evidence, but to manufacture it tout court?

To those who see this administration as misguided and incompetent, but who retain a residue of belief in its integrity and good faith, this charge is grave and shocking. Despite the distractions of the presidential campaigns and the pressures of being on vacation, Congress ought to look into it urgently, with witnesses on oath.

Other episodes discussed in the book are of particular interest to British readers. Mr Suskind relates that Mr Habbush told British intelligence before the war that Iraq had closed down its WMD programmes. This was regarded as unhelpful by Washington, Mr Suskind says, and so was buried. Previously, the same information from another high-level Iraqi source, this time to the Americans, somehow got scrambled and was relayed to the British as evidence instead that WMD were there. The picture of blundering malfeasance that emerges from this book is deeply depressing.

To finish reading this article, http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/56e59704-66e7-11dd-808f-0000779fd18c.html?nclick_check=1
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 02:34 PM
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1. The response is surprisingly muted?
No, it would be surprising if it were not muted. The American press will ignore the matter if it can, and so will the Congress.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 07:08 PM
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9. It's sweet that they still say "surprisingly" must be for old times' sake. nt
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 07:53 PM
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11. Yeah..and the Titanic got suprisingly moist after hitting that iceberg.
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 02:40 PM
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2. Yeah - Imagine that - muted - The White House called Suskind...
" A gutter journalist".

As KO said the other night, guess that's where he won his Pulitzer prize.
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searchingforlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 02:45 PM
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3. This is not even in the same category of Watergate
Watergate was about gross manipulation of the political system. It was not new but it was discovered and in a time when modern communications had made our world much smaller. Nixon and his group were bunglers and they were taken down because we never really liked Nixon and we believed we were more moral as a country than he was.

Clintongate was payback and backlash of a group of people who live in the religion of control of masses so that they can feel safe in their inadequacy. That group saw an opportunity to force the rest of the country to "right" itself.

This is a crime against humanity and against our soul that has resulted in too many needless deaths and also the destruction of our freedom and our economy that we may never recover from.

Clinton's impeachment may be what saves GWB and GWB's policies insure it because we cannot afford to waste our precious economic resources on this kind of prosecution. We should but we won't.
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 09:37 AM
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16. Watergate was about gross manipulation of the political system(?)
What about the "breaking and entering?" Yes, they did try to manipulate the political system, but it was far more than that. They broke the law and then tried to cover it up.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 09:54 AM
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17. Google "Operation Gemstone", and tell us was't a gross manipulation. Political dirty tricks don't
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 09:57 AM by leveymg
get much dirtier than what was being run out of CREEP. That is, until we get to the G.H.W. Bush era of the October Surprise, Iran-Contra, BCCI, and the flat-out rip-off of the U.S. Treasury by Bush's privatized multinational spook network.
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bdf Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 02:52 PM
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4. Yes! Yes, yes, yes, yes, YES!!!!!!!!!!!
Whoops. I just had an orgasm. :D
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 02:53 PM
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5. No denial of the existence of the order; only that it came from the White House.
Non-denial denials.

Where is the denial that exculpates the OVP? I haven't heard one yet.
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Itchinjim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 02:53 PM
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6. "Watergate-sized scandal" my ass,
this is outright treason by the POTUS and his administration for god's sake!
TREASON!!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 07:10 PM
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10. More like "megafloodgate"
yeah, I watch pbs.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 03:01 PM
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7. Contracted out:
"George Tenet, then head of the CIA, has denied the story as well: “There was no such order from the White House to me nor, to the best of my knowledge, was anyone from the CIA ever involved in any such effort.”"

It was done along with the Niger Uranium Doc. by people outside the CIA...Italian Intelligence, Dewey Clarridge and the Chalabi crew.

So, technically he is correct.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:38 PM
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8. Interesting point.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:51 AM
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12. Facing Non-Impeachophobic Family/Friends Can Be Tough...
...so it's good they're outside the beltway bunker of delusions for a while.

But we all still need to keep talking impeachment.

This forgery could break the dike. Conyers could realize he's been duped into trashing his own legacy by a complicit Pelosi. Nadler may have already realized he's been sounding like an idiot -- expecting anything like accountability later, without impeachment first.

Even some more Repubs could finally say "enough" and decide they will no longer cover up war crimes, abide permanent damage to our national security, and defend those who terrorized the American People with chicken-little-lies about "mushroom clouds."

Impeachment remains our ONLY moral, patriotic option.

If you are wasting effort on anything else -- including (genuflect) The Sacred National Election Horserace -- then you (yes, you personally) are part of the problem, not the solution.

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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:53 AM
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13. Nice thought but if it picked up steam, the DNC would stop it.
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 05:59 AM by Kablooie
They are intent of insuring the safety and comfort of the Bush administration.
No one will bring down Bush on Pelosi's watch.

She will ensure that they have a clear shot at rigging and stealing the election again.

Say hello to PRESIDENT MCCAIN!

Where's Able when we need him?
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:21 AM
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14. We went way past Watergate about 6 years ago.
Now we're through the looking glass.
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 09:05 AM
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15. Watergate my ass...


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