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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:10 AM
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(Gov. Matt) Blunt on Obama: He's the next Herbert Hoover
Source: KC Star

<snip>

“Now is not the time to adopt the policies of Herbert Hoover, protectionism and higher taxes," Blunt told reporters this morning on the day the presumptive nominee is to visit St. Louis.

In response to the Depression, Hoover did exaclty the wrong thing, Blunt said. He raised taxes on the wealthy and signed what Blunt called a devastating tariff that undermined the economy.

"Higher taxes on people who create jobs and economic opportunity always have a detrimental effect," Blunt said.

Obama's record suggests he would do the same thing, raising income, Social Security and corporte taxes during difficult economic times "to support his massive new domestic spending."Obama's call for change "is clearly change we cannot afford," Blunt said.

Read more: http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/12281



But I thought Bush et al said the economy is sound and fine? :sarcasm:
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:12 AM
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1. Matt Blunt is a doofus and just about everybody in Missouri
knows this......
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 01:08 PM
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24. My niece's husband is a Republican lobbyist in Missouri.
And he's known for a long time that Blunt is a moron. Can't wait for him to be gone.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:14 AM
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Missouri Republicans: Scum of the earth.
Ashcroft. Bond.

What more do you need to know?
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:14 AM
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2. Herbert Hoover was a republican!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:19 AM
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3. No doubt Obama will be compared to every bad president
Good luck with that Repukes. I hear they've even started comparing him to Bush.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:21 AM
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4. I am now waiting for Gov. Blunt...
to extol FDR's wise policies that saved our nation from Republican incompetence......................crickets?............
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:25 AM
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5. Then Obama should be the next FDR, instead. n/t
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:26 AM
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6. Riiight
Edited on Mon Jun-09-08 11:27 AM by atreides1
"Higher taxes on people who create jobs and economic opportunity always have a detrimental effect,"

Now if they would only create those jobs in the US, it might actually help the economy.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:30 AM
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7. no thats Bush
STUPID
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OneBlueDotBama Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:43 AM
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8. From the next ex gov. of Missouri.... priceless
From the next Father and Son roommates in cell-block "C", even more priceless!
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:46 AM
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9. Because it's better for the economy if we go into massive debt
than to actually, you know, PAY for what we do.

:eyes:
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Juan_de_la_Dem Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:48 AM
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10. Is it Opposite Day
Edited on Mon Jun-09-08 11:49 AM by Juan_de_la_Dem
What a ridiculous statement. There is already homeless campgrounds forming that are called Bushvilles. I am thinking that FDR would be a better comp.

*Typo
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:52 AM
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11. "...Higher taxes on people who create jobs
and economic opportunity always have a detrimental effect," Blunt said....'

Well, having them pay nothing ain't workin' either.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:57 AM
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12. Blunt clearly doesn't know his history
Incidently, have you noticed that the right has already begun trying to paint Obama as far more progressive than he actually is? I've already seen accusations that he has the most liberal voting record in teh Senate (not by a long way) and here's one for "massive new domestic spending".

Anyone who understands history or economics knows the basic formula for climbing out of recession: You raise taxes on the rich, slash taxes on the working class and raise government spending, targetted to the poor. That sounds counter-intuitive but what happens is that the government spending (again, targetted at the poor) and the slash in taxes gives the working class more money in their pocket. Since the working class tend to spend everything they have (out of necessity), that money then gets pumped straight into the economy, hopefully kickstarting it. Obviously, that's a very basic view and virtually every case needs some tailoring but it's not rocket science.
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TheProphet5 Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:08 PM
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13. What a bastich
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:11 PM
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14. And we should care what Gov. Skippy says . . . why?
:eyes:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:12 PM
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15. Um, Hoover was a good Republican who kept his hands off the
Depression and let it become the GREAT Depression. FDR got us out and was, interestingly, a DEMOCRAT.

Gotta love this revisionist history........

Hint: BUSH is the one in this picture who most resembles Hoover.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 01:06 PM
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23. Bush more resembles Calvin Coolidge
Coolidge's trickle-down policies got us into the Depression, and Hoover into a no-win situation.

Ever wonder why Coolidge declined to run in '28? He knew things were going to get bad and abandoned ship. He propped up Hoover, a rather intelligent and decent guy, though quite inexperienced, to take the fall.

Hoover failed because he couldn't think outside the box. FDR did, though it took a long time (and a war) to get out of the funk.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:23 PM
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16. Hmmm. Didn't they all warn about the same policies when BC was elected.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:27 PM
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17. Hasn't Bush Been Compaired to Hoover
as the worst POTUS, worse than Hoover?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:49 PM
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19. I don't think any one ever called Hoover the worst president
In fact, I have argued since I was in college that Hoover would have been an excellent president at almost any time in American history except the onset of the Great Depression.

Hoover was certainly a better president than his predecessor, Calvin Coolidge, or Coolidge's predecessor, Warren G. Harding. Coolidge was a real do-nothing president and Harding was worse than that; Harding wouldn't lift a finger to get his cronies' hands out of the cookie jar.

In some ways, one might compare Hoover to James Buchanan, who allowed the United States to slide into civil war. However, while Buchanan did nothing, taking the position that the Southern states had no right to secede and the federal government had no right to stop them, Hoover did act to relieve the Great Depression, although his measures were often too little and too late. Nevertheless, much of FDR's New Deal was a beefed up version of programs Hoover had already put in place.

Hoover is no candidate for Mt. Rushmore, but deserves a better reputation than he has.

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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:42 PM
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18. Idiots - they've put the economy in a black hole and have no right
whatsoever to even comment on what a Democrat might do. I'm seriously pissed off about the way they lie, too. Carly Fiorina - McBush's talking head - was going on and on and on this morning about how Obama was going to raise taxes on just about everyone. Apparently, in her world, just about everyone is a millionaire because that's who will be having their taxes raised.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:50 PM
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20. This from a guy who's so popular in Missouri
that he's voluntarily not running for a second term because 'he's already accomplished everything he set out to do.'

:rofl:
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 01:00 PM
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22. Yeah, fuck up the entire state.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:57 PM
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21. This motherfucker better quit smoking the "blounts", he's ..........
.....confused Bush with Obama.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 01:12 PM
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25. Blunt demonstrates the latest Conservative Political Stance--
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 02:01 PM
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26. History not remembered is ofter repeated....and repeated we have!
We had an all Republican congress and Republican President about 50 years ago with Hoover, much like Bush era. Governor Blunt must have flunked HISTORY!


HOOVER

<snip>

The slump in automobile sales was paralleled by the decline in the construction of new housing, causing unemployment in the building trades. Fewer suburban houses meant fewer markets for appliances, wall coverings, and other activities related to home building.

The economy was in trouble but people, dazzled by a surging stock market, ignored it. Agriculture was in a depression as farmers sold in a competitive market while having to buy in a protective market because US business subverted free enterprise by having the government tax foreign manufactured goods high enough to guarantee sales to US producers. Improvements in farm technology, which allowed farmers to produce more, only made the situation worse for demand was inelastic. The consumer economy was slowing as incomes skewed to the rich. In 1929, the richest 10% of families received 39% of disposal personal income while the bottom 10% only got 2%.

People seemed to be forgetting that capitalism needs to expand, that demand for housing, clothes, automobiles, stoves, and many other consumer goods generates demand in other sectors of the economy. But mass production necessitates mass consumption. Mass consumption necessitates an income distribution that allows consumers to buy. Without the appropriate income distribution, warehouses will burst at their seams and production lines will clog. Ethnic discrimination usually meant lower pay for the affected groups. The coal industry was in economic trouble as US consumers and businesses switched more and more to petroleum or hydroelectric sources of power. The introduction of synthetic fibers, such as nylon, dealt body blows to the cotton and wool textile industries. The wealthy bought luxuries but could not buy enough to sustain the consumer economy.

Many of the wealthy, as well as others, joined the speculative stock market sending stock prices to greater and greater without regard to company performance; In October, 1929, the bubble burst. The crash meant the tremendous loss of capital as prices declined $74 billion from 1929 to 1932 and the repatriation of much of US investment abroad. The Germany economy collapsed followed by the British and french economies. Germany could not pay the reparations it owed to the victors of WWI or make debt payments to US lenders, setting off a chain reaction. The world entered an economic depression.

President Herbert Hoover did not know how to meet this crisis. His government began buying farm surpluses in order to prop up prices but it did not buy enough to make a difference. The Farm Board loaned money to farmers to establish cooperatives (a socialist measure) but the millions of farmers scattered across millions of miles had difficulty in cooperating. Farm income went from $8 billion in 1929 to $3 billion in 1993, a decline of 62.5%.

Republican wisdom said that high tariffs were good for the economy and, besides, in a time of world crisis countries tend to become very nationalistic, so the Congress passed, with Hoover's acquiescence, the very high Hawley-Smoot Tariff in 1930. Raising the tariff made things worse because it meant that foreigners could sell less in the US and thus earn fewer US dollars with which to buy US goods or make payments on debts owed to US citizens. Exports fell 50%.

As historians Peter N. Carroll and David W. Noble note, Hoover feared that the collapse of the large corporations would bring down the entire US capitalist system. After all, one percent of the banks held 50% of banking assets. Three corporations—Ford, Chrysler, General Motors—manufactured 85% of the automobiles sold in the US. Chain stores dominated retail sales and their difficulties had national repercussions.

Business and industry met the crisis as they had always done—they cut production, lowered wages, reduced working hours, and fired workers. Unemployment rose from 1.5 million in 1929 to 13 million in 1933, a figure which represented 25% of the labor force. Even such a high percentage hid the dimensions of the problem because it did not what percentage had been forced the part-time work. Industrial wages fell from425 a week to $17 a week, a decline of 32%. By 1932, sawmill workers were only earning five to ten cents an hour; Tennessee female mill workers earned $2.39 for 50 hours work; and Connecticut women got between 60 cents to a dollar for a 55 hour week. To help the situation, the Hoover administration sept close to a billion dollars in public works programs but he would not go further. Nor would he argue for direct relief to the unemployed and starving because he feared that doing so would corrupt them. Although he had administered relief progress in Europe after the First World War, he saw that as only an emergency measure caused by war. He believed that doing a similar thing in the the US would become a permanent practice. To many, he was callous. As people lost their homes and created shanty towns, they derisively called the "Hoovervilles." Hoover argued that private charities and state and local governments should be the institutions to provide relief. But they were suffering as well and could not deal with a problem of this magnitude.

Hoover and the Republicans saw aid to corporations as being different. Whereas they believed that helping the individual citizen weather the Depression would corrupt him or her, aiding corporations and other business was different. To many, it appeared that the Republicans were only interested in the rich. The newly-created Reconstruction Finance Corporation aided only the large corporations.

Hoover broke precedent because the national government assumed some responsibility for what happens during an economic depression but he was not willing to go far enough. He believed that the depression was part of the normal business cycle and had been caused by international factors and not US ones. to him, "prosperity was just around the corner." The best thing for the country to do would be to wait the crisis out.
(bold=emphasized)

Historica Text Archive: http://historicaltextarchive.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=603


BUSH

When we look back someday at the catastrophe that was the Bush administration, we will think of many things: the tragedy of the Iraq war, the shame of Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib, the erosion of civil liberties. The damage done to the American economy does not make front-page headlines every day, but the repercussions will be felt beyond the lifetime of anyone reading this page.

I can hear an irritated counterthrust already. The president has not driven the United States into a recession during his almost seven years in office. Unemployment stands at a respectable 4.6 percent. Well, fine. But the other side of the ledger groans with distress: a tax code that has become hideously biased in favor of the rich; a national debt that will probably have grown 70 percent by the time this president leaves Washington; a swelling cascade of mortgage defaults; a record near-$850 billion trade deficit; oil prices that are higher than they have ever been; and a dollar so weak that for an American to buy a cup of coffee in London or Paris—or even the Yukon—becomes a venture in high finance.

And it gets worse. After almost seven years of this president, the United States is less prepared than ever to face the future. We have not been educating enough engineers and scientists, people with the skills we will need to compete with China and India. We have not been investing in the kinds of basic research that made us the technological powerhouse of the late 20th century. And although the president now understands—or so he says—that we must begin to wean ourselves from oil and coal, we have on his watch become more deeply dependent on both.

Up to now, the conventional wisdom has been that Herbert Hoover, whose policies aggravated the Great Depression, is the odds-on claimant for the mantle “worst president” when it comes to stewardship of the American economy.Once Franklin Roosevelt assumed office and reversed Hoover’s policies, the country began to recover. The economic effects of Bush’s presidency are more insidious than those of Hoover, harder to reverse, and likely to be longer-lasting. There is no threat of America’s being displaced from its position as the world’s richest economy. But our grandchildren will still be living with, and struggling with, the economic consequences of Mr. Bush.
(bold=emphasized)(underlined=really emphasized!)


Vanity Fair: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712

Maybe we should send Matt a copy of Vanity Fair for a quick read up on history! We are in a world of problems because of the Bush era, much like we were after the Hoover era with his all Republican Congress. We are entering the era of FDR, this goes to show how out of touch Matt Blunt really is.
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