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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 10:32 AM
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Veterans Group to Launch Attacks On John McCain (Kerry Swiftboaters Go After Arizona Senator)
Edited on Mon Jun-09-08 10:34 AM by oldpol
Source: The Desert Dispatch

Veterans group to launch attacks on John McCain

by Carol Jensen
As the daughter of a retired Marine, who served in both Korea and Vietnam, it is easy for me to understand why some veterans’ groups are upset by John McCain’s voting record in regard to veterans’ issues in the Senate.

His stance on the new G.I. Bill puts him in opposition to the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, the American Legion, as well as the national commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW).

McCain often cites his service in the military as evidence of his dedication to and support of his fellow veterans. But when some of these groups were crediting the two presidential candidates for their support of important issues to veterans, McCain came up short.

The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of American gave Senator McCain a grade of “D” for his voting record against veterans, while in contrast Senator Obama received a grade of “B+.” The Disabled Veterans of America credited McCain with a 20 percent voting record on veteran’s issues, while Obama was credited with 80 percent, according to statistics posted on Think Progress.

All of these criticisms may well be reasons why some veterans groups are speaking out against John McCain in his run for president and many veterans from both sides of the aisle feel that these are valid and important reasons to lobby against him.

But earlier this year, a group was formed called Vietnam Veterans against McCain, the same group of people that famously “swiftboated” John Kerry in 2004. The goal of this group is to destroy McCain’s candidacy by attacking his military record.

According to their web site “Vietnam Veterans against John McCain,” the group was formed to dispel the myth of “Straight talkin’, principled, maverick war hero McCain. Through more than two decades of investigation of his behavior, through open-source documents, public statements of his colleagues, and personal conversations with other Vietnam POWs, we have come to the unavoidable conclusion that he is unfit by virtue of his temperament, character, dishonesty, and emotional instability to serve as president of the United States or in any position of public trust.”

Vietnam Veterans against McCain plan to run a series of television ads that they say will expose John McCain’s support of the communist regime in Vietnam, as well as allege that if elected president he would allow “illegal immigrants” to have driver’s licenses, according to a Huffington Post article.

According to the same article, the types of attacks used against John Kerry will be brought against John McCain: “That while being held and tortured in North Vietnam, McCain collaborated with his captors to avoid being tortured, recorded dozens of propaganda tapes for the North Vietnamese, and provided classified information which jeopardized the lives of other American pilots. And the war-hero persona that he bases his campaign on is merely a fabrication.”

These types of allegations about a man who served his country in a time of war and endured being held prisoner are truly unconscionable, particularly when that person is in the running to become president of the United States.

Much of the criticism that Senator McCain has encountered with Vietnam veterans has to do with actions he has taken as a U.S. senator in regards to unaccounted for prisoners of war (POWs) and those missing in action (MIAs). McCain is accused by these veterans as being complicit, due to his close ties with the Pentagon, in keeping sealed documents pertaining to POW/MIA classified documents. Vietnam veterans demand that these thousands of documents be declassified.

His detractors insinuate that his refusal to push for the release of this information is due to his own behavior when held captive and his fear that it would become public knowledge if the documents were ever released.

The most disturbing action that McCain has taken in the minds of the Vietnam veterans is his role as senator in the normalization of relations between the United States and Vietnam. They are appalled by his willingness to take part in any dealings with a country that once tortured him.

Vietnam Veterans against McCain appears to be gathering in strength and in numbers in their opposition to his presidential candidacy. As their web site professes, “We have been forced to conclude that only by producing our own newspaper ads, radio and TV commercials can we expose the ‘real McCain’ to the American people. We believe this media campaign has the potential to avert the very likely devastating consequences of a McCain presidency.”


Read more: http://www.desertdispatch.com/opinion/veterans_3535___article.html/understand_attacks.html
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 10:34 AM
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1. Did they go after Max too?
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 10:36 AM
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2. they should go after McCains early military record
he makes GWB look like a top gun!
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 10:39 AM
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3. At least McCain completed his service with honor
GWB, didn't he like go AWOL or just not show up? Since the asshat has never produced his service records, I don't think we can know. Not defending McCain on issues, just saying he is at least with honor on military service.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 10:47 AM
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4. McCain had problems before Vietnam
John McCain:
Unfit to serve as Commander-In-Chief
The spoiled son of military privilege got a free ride throughout his military career despite repeated instances of sex scandals and screw-ups
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
January 27, 2008
John Sidney McCain III entered the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis, Maryland in 1954. Young McCain wanted to become an admiral. He planned to be the "first son and grandson of four star admirals" to achieve such a distinction. But that was not to be. McCain III possessed none of the innate character and discipline traits that helped mold his father and grandfather into great military leaders.

His father, John S. "Junior" McCain, and grandfather, John S. McCain, Sr., were famous four-star Admirals in the U.S. Navy. His father commanded U.S. forces in Europe before becoming commander of American forces fighting in Vietnam. His grandfather commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945. Both men became highly influential in U.S. Navy operations.

At the Academy, aside being known as a "rowdy, raunchy, underachiever" who resented authority, Midshipman McCain became infamous as a leader among his fellow midshipmen for organizing "off-Yard activities" and hard drinking parties. Robert Timberg wrote in his book, The Nightingale's Song, that "being on liberty with John McCain was like being in a train wreck."

McCain's grades were "marginal." He drew so many demerits for breaking curfew and other discipline issues that he graduated fifth from the bottom of the class of 1958. Despite his low "class standing," and no doubt because of the influence of his family of famous Admirals, McCain was leap-frogged ahead of more qualified applicants and granted a coveted slot to be trained as a navy pilot.

Good Party Animal - Bad Pilot:

He spent the next two and a half years as a "naval aviator in training" at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida and Naval Air Station Corpus Christi in Texas, flying A-1 Skyraiders.

While a pilot trainee, McCain continued to party hard. He drove a Corvette and dated an exotic dancer named "Marie the Flame of Florida." Timberg wrote that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn't love it."

McCain Lost Five Military Aircraft

McCain, the "below par" pilot, eventually lost 5 military aircraft, the first during a training flight in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while trying to land. The Navy ignored the crash and graduated McCain in 1960.

While deployed in the Mediterranean, the hard partying McCain lost a second aircraft. Timberg described the crash: "Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

Unscathed, McCain returned to Pensacola Station where he was promoted to flight instructor for Naval Air Station Meridian in Mississippi. The airfield at Meridian, McCain Field, was named in honor of McCain's grandfather.

In 1964 McCain became involved with Carol Shepp, a model from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, he had met at Annapolis. They were married in Philadelphia on July 3, 1965.

Flight instructor McCain lost a third aircraft while flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. Timberg wrote that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain parachuted onto a beach moments before his plane slammed into a clump of trees.

The Navy dismissed the crash as "unavoidable" and assigned McCain to the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal in December 1966, which was patrolling the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean. In Spring 1967, the Forrestal was assigned to join the Operation Rolling Thunder bombing campaign against North Vietnam.

McCain lost his fourth plane on board the Forrestal on July 29, 1967 when a rocket inadvertently slammed into his bomb laden jet. McCain escaped, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors. McCain was transferred from the badly damaged Forrestal to the USS Oriskany. Shortly afterwards, on Oct. 26, 1967, he was shot down and captured by the Vietnamese.

Post-POW Years: Political Ambition and a New, Young, Rich Wife

Upon his release from North Vietnam and return to the United States in 1973, McCain reunited with his wife, Carol, who had been permanently crippled in a car accident while he was a POW.

Still yearning to become an admiral, McCain enrolled in the National War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C. and underwent physical therapy in order to fly again. The Navy excused his permanent disabilities and reinstated him to flight status, effectively positioning him for promotion.

Timberg described McCain's advancement: "in the fall of 1974, McCain was transferred to Jacksonville as the executive officer of Replacement Air Group 174, the long-sought flying billet at last a reality. A few months later, he assumed command of the RAG, which trained pilots and crews for carrier deployments. The assignment was controversial, some calling it favoritism, a sop to the famous son of a famous father and grandfather, since he had not first commanded a squadron, the usual career path."

While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with subordinates and "engage in extra-marital affairs."

This was a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules against adultery and fraternization with subordinates. But, as with all his other past behaviors, McCain was never penalized; instead he always got away with his transgressions.

Timberg wrote, "Off duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to Yuma and El Centro, John started carousing and running around with women. To make matters worse, some of the women with whom he was linked by rumor were subordinates . . . At the time the rumors were so widespread that, true or not, they became part of McCain's persona, impossible not to take note of."

In early 1977, Admiral Jim Holloway, Chief of Naval Operations promoted McCain to captain and transferred him from his command position "to Washington as the number-two man in the Navy's Senate liaison office. McCain was promptly given total control of the office. It wasn't long before the "fun loving and irreverent" McCain had turned the liaison office into a "late-afternoon gathering spot where senators and staffers, usually from the Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees, would drop in for a drink and the chance to unwind."

In 1979, while attending a military reception in Hawaii, McCain met and fell in love with Cindy Lou Hensley, 17 years his junior, who was the daughter of James W. Hensley, a wealthy Anheuser-Busch distributor from Phoenix, Arizona. McCain filed for and obtained an uncontested divorce from his wife in Florida on April 2, 1980 and promptly married Cindy on May 17, 1980.

He resigned from the Navy in 1981 and went to work for his father-in-law in Phoenix; where he used the opportunity to make powerful and wealthy friends in Arizona including banker Charles Keating and Duke Tully, the editor-in-chief of the Arizona Republic. Keating was later convicted of fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy and Tully was disgraced for concocting a phony military record of combat in Korea and Vietnam including medals for heroism.

McCain ran for Arizona's First Congressional District in 1982. McCain won the congressional seat. In 1987 McCain was elected to the Senate.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan08/mccain_military_record.htm
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 10:47 AM
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5. With honor? Being a PR whore for the Viet Cong government
is honorable? You people focus on his time spent in Viet Nam, not HOW he spent it. He spent it as a spokesperson for the Hanoi government.

I know some here don't want to talk about that but hey, that's the reality of the situation. And there were others who went through way worse because they REFUSED to collaborate.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:06 AM
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Since I have never been tortured by a foreign government
and since I have never spoken out to keep my fellow prisoners from being tortured, I really couldn't say.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:32 AM
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11. And you left out "And I am not running for president"

Look... anyone being tortured is pretty much on their own as to what they can take and when they might break. And I don't think anyone is to be faulted for their performance under torture.

Hell, I'd sing like a canary and sign whatever they wanted.

By the same token "anyone" is also not running for president on the principle that having been a POW is a qualification for the job.

If McCain's time as a POW is a relevant qualification, then his performance as a POW becomes relevant - because HE MADE IT RELEVANT.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:06 AM
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7. "COLLABORATOR" -- there's the key word to slip into any discussion of mccain's character
or military record, or foreign policy views, or support of out troops, or whatever.

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floridablue Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 10:54 AM
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6. Some Say his cooperation with the North
was in trade so others would not be tortured. His voice was of more use to them because his father was the Admiral in command of CINCPAC.
Under the UMCJ, what he did could be charged as treason.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:09 AM
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10. put it this way. they both used their dads to clean up their records
they both would have gotten dishonorable discharges AT BEST were it not for their powerful dads.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:07 AM
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8. Obama should do everything in his power to put a stop to this.
I don't think dredging this stuff up is in any way a legitimate part of the current discussion. Obama should emphasize that McCain IS a war hero, and that he's interested in confronting McCain on his positions on the issues and their relative merits. Taking the low road on this one will only engender sympathy for McW, IMO.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 02:11 PM
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15. The Best Thing Obama Can Do Is Keep Quiet On This
And McCain is certainly no "war hero" in my book. But, Obama doesn't have to say that. And he certainly shouldn't build him up as some sort of great conquering hero in Vietnam. I don't think the innocent civilians that McCain ruthlessly bombed in northern Vietnam consider him a great hero.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 02:29 PM
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16. It's about perceptions.
I think Obama wants t be perceived as being unfailingly respectful of McCain's service (and by extension the service of all other vets). In that case, silence isn't the best option, IMO.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:08 AM
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9. Careful here, DUers...
let's not start actually believing Ted Sampley.

I take every opportunity to pass the http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/ website on, but I always point out that these are the same people who smeared Kerry.

I think we need to encourage the delusions of the Pubs, but let's not rush to share the opinions of assholes like Sampley.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:56 PM
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12. K & R
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 01:07 PM
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13. What's with these people?!??! They love to attack their own men
in uniform. They even go after Max Cleland, for God's sake. They have no shame!!!!
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 01:12 PM
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14. ETA: I just realized that these people are Swiftboaters...
The title was a little misleading. Sorry about that...
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 02:38 PM
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17. the only people who can truly take John McCain down are his
fellow POWs. They are the ones who can speak to his conduct with authority.
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