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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:59 PM
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Douglas Feith really is the stupidest f*#ing guy on the planet
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/07/60-minutes-doug-feith-once-again-earns-his-nickname/



It’s quite remarkable that Donald Rumsfeld of all people — in a memo Feith calls “the Parade of Horribles” — predicted exactly what the “downsides” to war would be. Even more remarkable is that it seems he took every step necessary to fulfill his own doomsday prophesies. Literally every single one of these has come to fruition.

Kroft summarizes some of them:

* the possibility that the U.S. could become so absorbed with its Iraq effort that it would pay inadequate attention to other serious problems;

* that war could cause more harm and entail greater costs than expected;

* that it would not go on for two to four years, but eight to 10 years;

* that terrorist networks could improve their recruiting and fundraising as a result of the U.S. being depicted as anti-Muslim;

* that Iraq could experience ethnic strife among Kurds, Sunnis and Shia;

* the war could damage America’s relationship with allies and its reputation in the world community.

Feith’s response?:


“We certainly understood that these are the things that might happen. That’s why we wrote them down.

Well, at least you wrote them down.

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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:02 PM
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1. He's not too stupid! He's managed to get thousands
of people killed and/or maimed.........
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:12 PM
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3. He Wasn't Alone
there was a vote!
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amihol Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:27 PM
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13. yeah there was!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:14 PM
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4. It's easier to kill people than give them life
and it's really, really easy to accomplish a great deal of destruction when you throw out all the rules of law and decency. You don't have to be smart. You simply have to be amoral and willing to break all the laws of your country.

What kills me is that this gang of murderers and traitors knew what would happen, yet they went ahead. The only question I want answered is WHY.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:03 PM
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2. IMHO, He's a smart guy who thinks the entire world is stupid.
THe things he says ARE absurd and he knows it. But he REALLY believes that he can get away with it, because HE HAS GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT.
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Turner Ashby Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:16 PM
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5. As long as about 45% of the American public still believe
then I guess you can still say what ever crap pops into your head and sound "intelligent". You have to wonder what it would take to convince that 45%. That is what I always wonder. Just what would it take? I think it would take an actual full blown confession from George Bush before they would believe anything was wrong.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:31 PM
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8. Loyalty
as Suskind wrote of Paul O'Neill aptitude or basic competence means nothing all that matters is loyalty. As long as you are loyal these people (and there are many like them) will take you with them all the way. You have to have officials to sign off on stuff you know.

The remarkable thing about this is that usually USUALLY there is some basis for a person's appointment to such a level. I see nothing in this guy, nothing, that makes me think that I couldn't find anyone in a suit, literally put them in a suit, to do what he was so heralded for doing or being.

Basically he was able to repeat they old guys' quotes and they thought he was "brilliant"...and he was loyal.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:26 PM
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12. its been said he's the most loathed person in current government.
the pentagon would nuke him if they could. a general once said that if the USA was under attack and he had only one bullet, he would save it for feith.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:14 PM
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15. He neither looked nor sounded too bright when he was on
60 Minutes, JMHO.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:20 PM
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6. He's a liar. PNAC knew it would be chaos.
The OBJECTIVE was to destabalize Iraq and lead to further upheaval in the middle east so the US could gain a foothold.

The points they "wrote down" were expected and understood; they considered them insignificant in reaching their goal.

The end justifies the means; even if the means are destruction and death on a massive scale.



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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:28 PM
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7. Yes a great summary
Notice too that the assumption that there was authorization to disband (whatever Feith calls it :eyes: ) when he never answered the question as to whether is was authorized.

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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 04:29 PM
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9. They are
waterboarding the wrong people if you ask me. He needs to confess his sins. Dunk him like a witch, in the river tied to a chair on a pole, until he stops lying. Let's go archaic here.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:13 PM
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10. 60 Minutes should have pointed out
that Colin Powell confessed on Meet the Press that Bush and the rest of them had lots of warnings and they knew well what was likely to occur. Powell said he, Bush and Rice even discussed it all together.

The media perpetuates the myth that Iraq was a miscalculation. That's another in the long list of lies America has been told about Iraq.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19092206/

MR. RUSSERT: Prior to the war, Walter Pincus wrote that you were provided, the president was provided some information from the CIA. Let me read it here. “On August 13th, 2003, the CIA completed a classified, six-page intelligence analysis that described the worst scenarios that could arise after a U.S.-led removal of Saddam Hussein: anarchy and territorial breakup in Iraq, a surge of global terrorism,” “a deepening of Islamic antipathy toward the United States.

“According to then-CIA director George Tenet, it was relegated to the back of a thick briefing book handed out to President Bush’s national security team for a meeting on September 7th, 2002, at Camp David where the Iraq war was topic A.” Do you remember that?

GEN. POWELL: I don’t remember specifically that book, but I’m sure it exists. But a week earlier, the 5th of August 2002, the president and I, with Dr. Rice present, had a conversation that touched on many of the likely outcomes and the realization that it would probably tie up a significant percentage of our armed forces for a long period of time, it would cost a great deal, we’re getting inside of a sectarian conflict that we would have to keep a lid on, and we would have to get Iraqis up and moving as quickly as possible in order to hand the responsibility off to them. And so I don’t think any of us were unaware of the kinds of problems that we might face. I certainly was not unaware, and I was informed by my own thinking, as well as CIA documentation, not just the one Mr. Pincus makes reference to. But all along the way, those who had experience in this part of the world and those that had experience in war understood that we were taking on something that was going to be a major burden to us for many years, and I think the president was well aware of that. And my, my judgment is that we didn’t prepare ourselves well enough for the kinds of challenges that occurred in the aftermath of the fall of Baghdad.


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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:19 PM
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11. Kicked and recommended. n/t
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 05:25 PM by Uncle Joe
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:05 PM
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14. The neo-cons REALLY did think
we'd march right on in, and that would be that. I never had zip respect for them, Feith's now cemented my feelings, thanks Doug.
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