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Daveparts Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:48 AM
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When Did the Movies Stop Talking?

When Did the Movies Stop Talking?
By David Glenn Cox


I had a few coins in my pocket this week and thought my wife and I would go to the movies. Times have been tough and we hadn’t been in a while and it seemed like a good way to get out of the house. As I looked on the movie websites I discovered that there was nothing that I wanted to see. Nothing I would chance investing $18.00 in plus $20.00 for popcorn and drinks.

As I looked across the spectrum of movies offered I wondered, has going to the movies become something for teenagers and children alone, like roller-skating? Have I just gotten too old to go to the movies? I still enjoy the big screen and the outrageous sound system. I enjoy making smart-ass remarks while the theatre runs endless commercials for television programs before the movie. “Damn honey, we should have stayed home and watched TV! Look at all the great stuff that’s on!”

Headlining, was "Drillbit Taylor," a comedy about a guy acting as a bodyguard for nerdy adolescent kids. Okay, I’m too old for that one. Then there’s "Run, Fat Boy, Run," a comedy about an overweight guy who leaves his fiancée at the alter only to find out years later that he still loves her and to win her back must finish a marathon. In Hollywood, at least, Fatty Arbuckle never goes out of style. The film is rated PG-13 for rude and sexual humor, nudity, language and smoking. Smoking? Cover your eyes children, that man is smoking!

Then there’s the Dr. Suess classic, “Horton Hears a Who” which, frighteningly, is the first film listed that appears to have a plot. A simple-minded elephant hears creatures living on a dust mote in their own miniature world. Horton seeks to rescue and save them, with his message of acceptance of others different from ourselves. Maybe I am too old to go to the movies; maybe movies aren’t supposed to have a plot or a message for anyone over age ten. I understand the different genres of film and I understand my tastes are outside the mainstream. But just how many fart and titty jokes or sexual innuendo jokes suffice? Couldn’t we have a film or two where you didn’t figure the plot out in the first five minutes?

It got me to thinking about how the times are reflected in the cinema, how during the depression Shirley Temple and Mickey Rooney were the biggest stars in Hollywood; the public wanted cute children and escapism. People who wore nice clothes and lived in nice houses and whose problems could be solved with a song and dance. However, the other side of the coin was portrayed as well, with Jimmy Cagney as “The Public Enemy,” depicting the life and death of a prohibition gangster. Or Edward G. Robinson as “Little Caesar” and Henry Fonda played Tom Joad in “The Grapes of Wrath.”

During the 40's, the movies followed the US into WW2, but even then there was “Citizen Kane,” “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” and “The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.” These movies had plot and message, they dealt with greed and the arrogance of power. In "Sierra Madre," Americans, down on their luck in Mexico, meet up with an old prospector and they become enamored of the idea of finding gold. They profess their loyalty to each other and insist if they can just get $10,000 each, they will be happy. But in the end their greed destroys them and their work is for nothing, as bandits, unaware of what is in the sacks, cut them and let the gold dust fall to ground where the mountain winds blow it back from whence it came.

The images of that gold dust blowing back up the mountainside or Cagney, face down in the street in a pouring rainstorm, had subliminal meaning. Then with the rise of the cold war and McCarthyism came a new film genre, Science Fiction, with the message of: Be afraid, be very afraid, there are things out there which you don’t understand. Things which want to take over the whole world, i.e., communism. Think “Invasion of the body Snatchers.” Again, there was the flip side of “The Day the Earth Stood Still,” a message of peace with the subliminal message that we must learn to understand each other before our own madness destroys us.

The 60’s brought us “Easy Rider,” “Doctor Strangelove," Ten Days in May," "Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner" and "The Manchurian Candidate," stories about people, people in crises, people with moral questions reflecting the times. I could go on through the 70’s and 80’s, but these days it appears that any thought-provoking aspect is gone. The studios are all now owned by overseas megacorporations so it is doubtful that movies like "Soylent Green" could ever be made today. Instead, we get “College Road Trip." A college-bound girl has her hopes of independence shattered when her overbearing, police chief father (Martin Lawrence) insists on escorting her on a road trip to prospective universities.

Then there's the newest movie genre, torture films; not horror or suspense, but out-and-out torture films. A victim is captured by a maniacal, mad person (Martin Lawrence) and restrained and tortured for any number of vehicular reasons. Fortunately, most of these films only run ninety minutes, as the audience couldn’t take the full two hours. In the case of "College Road Trip," the torture only lasts an hour and twenty-three minutes.

The movie “Shutter” lasts an hour and twenty-five minutes. “Shutter,” a lovely film also rated PG-13 for terror, disturbing images, sexual content and language, but thank God, no smoking; after all, we can only take so much. A newly-married couple discovers disturbing, ghostly images in photographs they develop after a tragic accident. Fearing the manifestations may be connected, they investigate and learn that some mysteries are better left unsolved. Be afraid, crazy people are everywhere, trust no one, things are going on that you don’t understand, i.e., the war on terror, or “Vantage Point,” a film based around an assassination attempt at a big war on terror summit. Stack it on the pile with "Twin Towers" and "United 93." Rah, rah, cowboys and indians for the 21st century.

Is there no flip side? In the film "Syriana," George Clooney fights the labyrinth of government corruption and deceit in the Middle East oil dealings. It intentionally stays away from naming those countries friendly to the US and names only the powerless and villainous despite the central country obviously being Saudi Arabia. But we mustn’t offend or smoke around those people who behead idolaters in the public square. We can graphically depict the vilest deeds of the dastardly but we mustn’t ever offend our friends.

The cinema does indeed reflect our times; television network schedules bloated with: can you sing, or dance, or cook? Can you tell secrets or prurient gossip, TV dramas about how right the police or government's are and how wrong are the criminals. All sanitized for your protection, all sterilized from the need to think, to make critical judgments. The good guys are all good, the bad guys all bad, a far cry from "12 Angry Men," which was originally produced for the CBS program Studio One in 1954. The film, which followed the CBS production, has been rated the 13th best film ever made.

What is going on here? With all the technology and advertising money, that we get "Law and Order" and "Run, Fat Boy Run." Can it be accidental? Are they not trying at all or are they trying and succeeding? Or are they perfectly mirroring our times?
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:01 AM
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1. Question: What does the tile of this article have to do with the article?
Answer: Nothing! Not as far as I can tell. The words "talk" and "talking" don't even appear in the article. Very odd.
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Daveparts Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:06 AM
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2. ok,
When did movies stop having any relevant meaning other than trival clap trap. I dunno, I like the first title better.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:11 AM
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3. I think the author meant 'talking' in the figurative sense... as in speaking out
and in that sense, I think the context is valid.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:05 PM
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12. I understood the meaning too
yup
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:20 AM
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4. When they became divisions of corporations
And they didn't want to rock any boats.
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Cogito ergo doleo Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:30 AM
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5. The author is correct. Movies are geared to 14 year-olds,
specifically. These films have returns of billions of dollars, and like any business, that's the bottom line in Hollywood. When more thoughtful films show box office results, more will be made.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:44 AM
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7. 12 Year Old Boys
Girls are turned off by them, no matter what age.

I only rent--and if it's an exceptional story, then buy. If I go to the theater, it's for a kid, or a romantic comedy.

The latest film i saw was "I Am Legend". People didn't like it and the talk wasn't good, but I thought it was a very credible hard science fiction production, which is too intellectual for most, and therefore not particularly popular.

Though I have to say, Will Smith hasn't produced any dogs to date.

Look at who's starring and what it's based on.

Sweeny Todd was a good story made awful by the producer, who is into gore. The actors did their best, but the gore was too stupid...
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Cogito ergo doleo Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 02:12 PM
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11. You're right about it's being adolescent boys exclusively, a fact
largely unspoken of in the industry. Actually, it's getting to the point where if you have a good screenplay, it better be low budget or there's not a prayer of having it produced. Everything is backwards.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:45 AM
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22. That was the last movie I saw, too. I may go to see HORTON,
but basically, these days, movies suck.
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:39 AM
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6. My wife and I had a similar discussion a few weeks ago
The studios are just cranking crap out as fast as they can to fill Blockbusters shelves. No plot necessary, no ending necessary, tits necessary along with guns that hold infinite amounts of ammo and never need to be reloaded. Even this years Oscar winners sucked.

Best bet nowadays is the foreign film section. You can still get superb films if you don't mind subtitles
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:11 PM
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8. Sometimes when they do try for relevance you end up feeling like what
you just sat through should fall under some article of the Geneva Convention prohibitions on torture. I sat throught that Matt Damon/Angeline Jolie movie 'The Good Shepherd' and not only was that one of the most purposely confusing movies I've ever seen, I vowed on the spot NEVER will I ever waste part of my life on a Matt Damon movie ever again.

But the main point being they tried to put this out as the way the CIA was founded. Yes, there were some elements of truth in there, but holy moley, Hollywood doesn't take fudge here and there, they outright lie. And people think they've just seen a docudrama. When they take a situation with a historical record and then turn and twist it into something quite ridiculous, that is just plain wrong.

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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:20 PM
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9. "The world was so much better when I was young."
That's what this amounts to. It's an old whine, and it does not improve with age.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:06 PM
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13. mmmmm not so sure
as a long time movie fan I too see a downfall in movie selections - I find the torture genre especially disturbing. And I'm not some old fogie seeking out "family stuff" - the last movie I went to see was Paranoid Park.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:38 PM
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14. I see old movies that I liked decades ago, when they came out, and they're awful
90% of movies are crap because 90% of everything is crap, to paraphrase Theodore Sturgeon. That's always been the case. The best movies of today are very good indeed.

Oh, and I am an old fogey. :)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:41 PM
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15. oh I agree there's always been crap
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 10:43 PM by Skittles
but, like TV, I see much MORE crap these days - like reality shows - ugh

I think when they figure out special effects do not have to take the place of good writing - when that becomes much more the standard rule - movies will improve

51 yesterday - I pretty much qualify for fogey status, no? :D
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:21 AM
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19. I don't know what the official fogey cutoff age is
But you probably qualify. :)
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:29 PM
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10. There are a ton of socially aware movies out
But exposing the ugly reality of ourselves doesn't sell apparently

"Rendition"
"In the Valley of Elah"
"Stop lossed"
"Lions to lambs"
"Blood Diamond"
Just to name a few. You just have to seek them out.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:45 PM
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16. There are still some good movies, but it's the lousy ones that are hyped
All those movies with Roman numerals after them are aimed at adolescents, and they consist mostly of explosions, car chases, stunts, gunfights, and a little sex.

Yes, there were lousy movies thirty and forty years ago. However, the mainstream studios were more willing to take chances on intelligent, complex movies. Now to see something that isn't made for middle school boys, you have to go in for indie or foreign flicks.

What I consider a good movie is a story that I haven't seen before. That's why I love going to international film festivals, and I've seen some fine, original films in the past few years.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:51 PM
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17. It's that ol' devil Megacorporate Control again.
The movies you saw in your youth, or the ones made before you were born, were made by little companies. They competed, they fought, they tried different things. They had to, because they had to compete.

Then, beginning in the late 1960's, these little companies were bought up by bigger ones that had no connection to moviemaking. Paramount to Gulf & Western, MGM to a casino owner, 20th Century Fox by Rupert Murdock. And these added more and more companies to become megacorporations.

The bigger the company, the less they risk. When a movie must be successful to support all the megacorps's demands - like tie-in books, toys, McDonald's cross-merchandising, a possible TV series - the more fearful they are about doing anything risky. As one of Sudden Death's great songs goes, "We don't need a plot. We got CGI. We don't need a plot. We got CGI."

You are more likely to find interesting, exciting and different movies made on the Internet and passed around through YouTube than you are in a movie theater. And given the high quality of home video cameras and editing systems, they're often better made technically too. Pity that the megacorps don't want them seen, and are taking steps to make sure the Internet can't carry them.

The only real cure is to bust up the media monopolies and make the movie companies, and the TV stations, really compete with one another. But who could possibly do that? That isn't a sexy issue for any candidate to lead with...although busting up monopolies in general is a good idea, and we might get this as a side effect.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:43 AM
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18. "The bigger the company, the less they risk." Amen.
That is the problem with consolidation in any industry, especially media.
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:41 AM
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20. All the good movies are at the film festivals
Just google "film festivals" and you'll find all the films that are made with our creative genes intact.
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:56 AM
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21. It's about profit...
the bottom line is the almighty dollar,
and this affects everything. The point of the editorial
is that movies (and television<-programs and news-> and books and the internet,
even broadway plays etc)all points of diversion that have been
'dumbed down' to appeal to the lowest common denominator and thus
make as much money as possible.

Newspaper readership has fallen, and especially the literacy rates
are degenerating faster than snow in May.

The curriculum in most schools has been re-focused to teach only to
the test, and dumbed down so as not to challenge average students, and
to ensure that 'no child gets left behind.'

We have fallen off the map of developing nations,
we have thrown away our birthright of being enlightened and
educated, and sold it off for a few years of pleasure and
'doing our own thing.' And then we get all enraged when someone
points out how fat and dumb we are. We want others to spoon fed us
our jobs, our opinions, our thoughts and our lives.

But don't get me started; when I want to watch a movie,
I'll check out what it on Turner CLassic MOvies..
somehow the films today that are mentally provocative and
intelligent are few are far between, or else they are so
violent and vile they are unwatchable.
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roscoeroscoe Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:24 AM
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23. time out.
well, over the weekend we saw 'atonement' and the darjeeling limited' on dvd. we had a long talk about both of those, they were very good. if you want to see a really wonderful funny movie, see 'darjeeling limited,' best film we've seen in quite a while. my wife loved and she is hard to please with movie picks.
looking at what's in the theater right now, it is pretty weak in the first run movie house, the only one i'd pay first run price to see is 'the bank job.' however, at the discount theater they're showing 'atonement' 'juno' and 'no country for old men.'
remember the best time for film is in the fall except for the occasional worthwhile blockbuster, the next one of which coming up is 'indiana jones' of course, partly because of the co-star, shia lebeuf, who is a very good young actor.
there's still very very good work out there, all the time. of course most of the popcorn movies are made for kids, especially in the spring and summer.
best to you, and do see 'darjeeling limited.' four stars!!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:45 PM
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24. what did he expect at the local megaplex?
there's no indie/arthouse theater in his town? even a local college would have frequent showings of good indie movies....
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