2nd Amendment: Boston and D.C. Gun Grabbing Schemes Fizzle

[Demeter]

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_the_last_080326_2nd_amendment_3a_bosto.htm


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“Boston police officials, surprised by intense opposition from residents, have significantly scaled back and delayed the start of a program that would allow officers to go into people’s homes and search for guns without a warrant,” reports the Boston Globe. “The program, dubbed Safe Homes, was supposed to start in December, but has been delayed at least three times because of misgivings in the community. March 1 was the latest missed start date.”

It should be dubbed homes outside the purview of the Fourth Amendment. But thankfully some residents and community groups have a handle on the scheme, designed to get people accustomed to surrendering their liberty. “One community group has been circulating a petition against the plan. Police officials trying to assuage residents’ fears have been drowned out by criticism at some meetings with residents and elected officials.”





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[bluerum]

1. Don't mind us - just looking for illegal weapons,,,

[MidwestTransplant]

2. How does this not violate the 4th Amendment? Oh I get it, anything to possibly catch a Terrarist is

OK.

[Hangingon]

7. These guys are not looking for terrorists.

[MidwestTransplant]

9. I know, I was being facetious.

[Demeter]

3. The National Rifle Association publishes a list of its "enemies"

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_rabbi_080327_the_national_rifle_a.htm


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The National Rifle Association publishes a list of its "enemies" and there are a significant number of Jews and Jewish organizations on that list. See list at (nraleaders.com) I also noticed a large number of black organizations and African Americans that are on the NRA's 'enemies' list too.
The leading cause of death in our black communities today is the gun and Jeff Cooper, who sits on the NRA's Board of Directors and on the NRA's Executive Council, has this to say "It would seem a valid social service to keep them well-supplied with ammunition. .." (Jeff Cooper's Commentaries in his self-published newsletter and nraleaders.com) and "It seems to me that diversity, rather than being a goal to be sought, should be an obstacle to be circumvented." (nraleaders.com, Cooper's Corner, Guns and Ammo) John Lott states "My own research has statistically analyzed the effect of changes in hiring rules and the composition of police departments on crime, arrest and conviction rates. Increasing black officers share of the police force one percentage point as a result of the new hiring policies increases murders by at least 2%, violent crime by almost 5% and property crimes by 4%. (Investor's Business Daily, nraleaders.com)

The gun crowd is ramming their agendas in the face of people who don't want the threat of a gun leveled at them. Issuing death threats against the people who favor gun control is also a very common practice that belies the true heart of the gun culture. It really does come out “either agree with us, or we will kill you”. What then is tyranny – creating tyranny to prevent it is delusional thinking. The rationalization that guns will stop tyranny comes from an 18th century fear and mistrust of the US Government. Guns in the hands of citizens have not stopped the erosion of our rights in these last seven years, nor will it stop the bill before congress to repeal the 22nd amendment (HJ 24 IH and H. J. RES. 24).

Since Washington D.C. enacted the most profound of hand gun laws, crime has been on the decrease – and now we want to over turn something that is positively working? We aren’t trying to stop the criminal and potential criminal, we’re enabling them.

The NRA has fought gun control tooth and nail – it is easier for a person to get a fire arm because of it all. We can’t stop rouge dealers because of the legal interference or dealers who sidestep the law – we can’t even shut them down. The young man who was at the epicenter of the Virginia Tech shootings honestly checked NO to the question whether or not he had been committed under court order – he was obeying the law. The shooter at NIU, again, a ‘law abiding’ citizen.
We can’t stop illegal gun sales because we facilitate straw purchases and we let an under the radar market flourish through want ads by people posing as private parties selling their guns. We refuse to close the gun show loophole thusly arming the people we are so afraid of. We demanded an end to the assault weapon ban and now the LA police and other police departments are losing officers because of AK-47s. We can’t stop a gun purchase by someone with questionable mental health. The attorney who helped in the passing of the illegal CCW law in Minnesota openly says he has a problem with authority which is labeled anti-social behavior, a psychiatric condition, by the mental health industry...The gun crowd wants to arm students; wouldn’t that raise the potential of another Columbine, Virginia Tech, and NIU logarithmically?

[alarimer]

6. I hate the NRA

bunch of fascists.

[Hangingon]

8. Uh, Jeff Cooper is dead.

[krispos42]

12. The leading cause of death in black communities...

is black criminals. Who are legally prohibited from possessing, either by age, by local laws, or by prior criminal convictions, handguns in the first place.

The NRA is a single-issue group that focuses on gun rights. OF COURSE their enemies are gun-control advocates! And in this current time, the gun-control advocates are by and large liberals, progressives, and Democrats. Gun-controllers used to be right-wing types, trying to disarm all those newly-freed southern blacks and Italian immigrants.

And since large parts of the black and Jewish populations are liberals, progressives, and/or Democrats, then it only makes sense that they are on the list!

I'm pretty sure that if NARAL made an enemies list, it would have a lot of groups that are white and that are Christian.

The gun crowd is ramming their agendas in the face of people who don't want the threat of a gun leveled at them.

Um, as part of the "gun crowd", I don't want the threat of a gun leveled at me, either. It's an irrational, prejudiced statement.

If I rewrote this sentence, "The homosexuals are ramming their agendas in the face of people who don't want the threat of homosexuality leveled at them", it's still just as irrational and prejudiced.

Since Washington D.C. enacted the most profound of hand gun laws, crime has been on the decrease – and now we want to over turn something that is positively working? We aren’t trying to stop the criminal and potential criminal, we’re enabling them.

Oh, that's just pure bullshit. Yeah, it's decreasing AFTER TRIPLING!

refuse to close the gun show loophole thusly arming the people we are so afraid of.

There is no gun show loophole. It's a fiction to create a frame, like "death tax".

We demanded an end to the assault weapon ban and now the LA police and other police departments are losing officers because of AK-47s.

And here's all your AK-47, SKS, and AR-15 police deaths, right here:

The gun crowd wants to arm students; wouldn’t that raise the potential of another Columbine, Virginia Tech, and NIU logarithmically?

The "gun crowd" was to allow students (adults, please note) that have already met state requirements to carry concealed pistols legally to continue to carry when they walk onto a university campus. So, no, it would not raise the potential for another school mass shooting.

[selador]

14. just for the record -stats are misleading

those LEO killed in line of duty are clearly disputed by the ODMP website (and fwiw, i 100% support concealed carry and support heller's case). i guess those are stats for those JUST killed by guns or other clearly intentional means.

for example, in 2005 there were 162 line of duty deaths. many of the categories (like atuo accident) may or may not have been intentional and/or related to felonious actions. for example, officer responding to emergency who dies in his car responding "code" to an accident is not a death CAUSED by antother, in the sense that an officer pursuing a suspect who dies (the officer) in the pursuit is.

9/11 related illness: 2
Aircraft accident: 2
Automobile accident: 33
Bomb: 1
Drowned: 2
Duty related illness: 3
Fall: 3
Gunfire: 53
Gunfire (Accidental): 7
Heart attack: 18
Motorcycle accident: 4
Stabbed: 1
Struck by vehicle: 11
Training accident: 2
Vehicle pursuit: 5
Vehicular assault: 15

for the record, i have over 20 yrs experience as LEO and strongly support concealed carry.

also, in my state, it is perfectly legal to carry on college campuses, and i support that. it is also not a crime problem at all. file under: baseless worry by gun grabbers

[papau]

4. Say what? - Boston responds to moms afraid of sons with "if mom gives permission for search" rules &

folks go nuts.

There is no 4th amendment problem - the owner of a home and sole adult in home gives permission for a search - if gun is found the kid goes to clases, has record until 21, and gun is tested for possible past use in crime. Mom's life is saved - we've had two parents killed in last year by kids with guns - and perhaps the community will get a better adult out of that child in the future.

What the heck is the problem?

[krispos42]

10. The point is...

that the cops should not be asking permission to search your home until and unless they have a good reason to.

Obviously, if they have solid proof, they can just go and get a warrant.

But I don't want the cops knocking on my door and asking questions unless they have a good reason to. Such as investigating a crime.

Otherwise, what's to stop them from setting up checkpoints in "certain" neighborhoods and asking every single person who drives by if they can search their car? Yeah, it's not unconstitutional because they're asking for permission first, but do you want that to be common practice?

[bluestateguy]

5. A scheme like that is subject to racial profiling

I can see the cops only searching homes of Black, Hispanic and Arab people in an effort to either confiscate their guns and trump up some other charges, all the while leaving white residents alone.

If a lot of conservatives had their druthers only white people would be allowed to own guns.

[MaryCeleste]

11. They were concentrating in "high crime neighborhoods" which is code for minority heavy areas

[Warpy]

13. This violates the Fourth Amendment

It doesn't matter what they're looking for. They need to have probable cause and get a warrant.

[kimmylavin]

15. I hate guns.

And even I think this is ridiculous.
You think they have an unlicensed gun? Get a damn warrant.