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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:38 PM
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Andrew Sullivan: The Clinton Rules
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/the-clinton-rul.html

The Clinton Rules

07 Mar 2008 12:42 pm



The new meme is that politics has returned to normal and that this election will now be run by Clinton rules. Many are relieved by this. You could sense the palpable discomfort among many in Washington that their world might actually shift a little next year. But if elections are primarily about fear and mud, and who best operates in a street fight, Beltway comfort returns. This we know. This we understand. This we already have the language to describe. And, the feeling goes, the Clintons can win back the White House in this atmosphere. What she is doing to Obama she can try to do to McCain. Maybe Limbaugh will help her out again.

What I think this misses are the cultural and social consequences of beating Obama (or McCain) this way. I don't mean beating Obama because the Clintons' message is more persuasive, or because the Clintons' healthcare plan is better, or because she has a better approach to Iraq. I mean: beating him by a barrage of petty attacks, by impugning his clear ability to be commander-in-chief, by toying with questions about his "Muslim past", by subtle invocation of the race card, by intermittent reliance on gender identity politics, by taking faux offense to keep the news cycle busy ("shame on you, Barack Obama!") and so on. If the Clintons beat Obama this way, I have a simple prediction. It will mean a mass flight from the process. It will alter the political consciousness of an entire generation of young voters - against any positive interaction with the political process for the foreseeable future. I'm not sure that Washington yet understands the risk the Clintons are taking with their own party and the future of American politics.

The reason so many people have re-engaged with politics this year is because many sense their country is in a desperate state and because only one candidate has articulated a vision and a politics big enough to address it without dividing the country down the middle again. For the first time in decades, a candidate has emerged who seems able to address the country's and the world's needs with a message that does not rely on Clintonian parsing or Rovian sleaze. For the first time since the 1960s, we have a potential president able to transcend the victim-mongering identity politics so skillfully used by the Clintons. If this promise is eclipsed because the old political system conspires to strangle it at birth, the reaction from the new influx of voters will be severe. The Clintons will all but guarantee they will lose a hefty amount of it in the fall, as they richly deserve to. Some will gravitate to McCain; others will be so disillusioned they will withdraw from politics for another generation. If the Clintons grind up and kill the most promising young leader since Kennedy, and if they do it not on the strength of their arguments, but by the kind of politics we have seen them deploy, the backlash will be deep and severe and long. As it should be.

He has a million little donors. He has brought many, many Republicans and Independents to the brink of re-thinking their relationship with the Democratic party. And he has won the majority of primaries and caucuses and has a majority of the delegates and popular vote. This has been a staggering achievement - one that has already made campaign history. If the Clintons, after having already enjoyed presidential power for eight long years, destroy this movement in order to preserve their own grip on privilege and influence in Democratic circles, it will be more than old-fashioned politics. It will be a generational moment - as formative as 1968. Killing it will be remembered for a very, very long time. And everyone will remember who did it - and why.
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bleowheels Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:41 PM
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1. This should be required reading for all those who blindy support Hillary.
Obama has tried to change the tone yet it is Hillary Clinton who wants to keep all of us in the politics of the past.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:35 AM
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12. They won't read it precisely because they blindly support Hillary.
She can do no wrong in their eyes.

They are akin to that small percentage who still think Bush is the Second Coming, and nothing will dissuade them.

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southern_belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:48 PM
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2. Excellent! K & R n/t
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:50 PM
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3. Bravo Andrew.
There is nothing more I could add.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:05 PM
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4. Thanks. K/R
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janetblond Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:10 PM
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5. THIS is how Hillary will win ...

"I don't mean beating Obama because the Clintons' message is more persuasive, or because the Clintons' healthcare plan is better, or because she has a better approach to Iraq. I mean: beating him by a barrage of petty attacks, by impugning his clear ability to be commander-in-chief, by toying with questions about his "Muslim past", by subtle invocation of the race card, by intermittent reliance on gender identity politics, by taking faux offense to keep the news cycle busy ("shame on you, Barack Obama!") and so on."
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This Karl Rovian attack style of pettyness is what the American public is used to.
They're so DUMB, they fall for it everytime.
It's their comfort zone.
Too bad. The idiots will just vote for more of the same ol' $#!T!
Hillary has had 10 years to learn the ruthless, vicious, relentless skills of Karl Rove to perfection.
The Rovian cancer has already infected Obama's campaign, and will kill his message s-l-o-w-l-y, until little by little, there will be nothing left. Two months from now, people will wonder "what happened?"!
Samantha Power should NOT have resigned. Once Clinton gets Obama to start getting rid of the best people in his network, and he starts "apologizing" for nothing ... he's done.
Unfortunately, he's trying to keep the campaign "clean", and that's how he'll LOSE.
He's not fighting back hard enough.
Remember the fall of the Roman Empire? The executions in the coliseum? People enjoy this $#!T.
Too bad Obama doesn't "get it". In politics, nice guys finish last.
It's downhill from here for Obama.






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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:41 AM
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13. I can no longer stand to watch the news, her giant cheerleader smile as she glad hands at campaign
events. She is not likeable enough and every days she becomes less so.
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:34 PM
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20. It Sounds Petty, But
...what creeps me out the worst about Senator Clinton is the eyebrows-up, eyes-widened big smile-grimace thing she does.

It's exactly the same thing a mommy does to elicit excitement & smiles from an infant.

No doubt that's where she learned it, & no doubt that's how she thinks of the electorate.




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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:17 PM
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22. OMG! I feel the same way only to me it looks like fake happy cheerleader face at pep rallies
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janetblond Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:17 PM
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21. TV and Radio are THE WORST sources of news ...
You ought to hear the Obama bashfests on talk-radio.
It's enough to turn your stomach.
Here in D.C. ... WMAL is THE WORST.
They are the SCUM of talk radio.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:10 PM
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6. Excellent!
:applause:
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fightthegoodfightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:30 PM
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7. Obama, Sullivan and the Democratic/GOP Parties
He write: 'He has brought many, many Republicans and Independents to the brink of re-thinking their relationship with the Democratic party. '

Well, I suppose that is good even if it makes me uncomfortable.

I'm not too keen giving too much weight to Andrew Sullivan, whose is not an American citizen and whose loyalties to the GOP despite their loathing for his sexual orientation makes me wonder why he his hypocrisy or for that matter his opinion, should matter.

I can't help but wonder WHAT TOOK HIM SO LONG. Sullivan should have dropped from the GOP party line and the Catholic church for all the hypocrisy they represent in his life.

So, I agree that Obama has much support not only within the party but outside of it and it definitely makes him an attractive candidate. I also agree with Sullivan's assessment of Obama's vision.

Let's hope the Democratic party doesn't canabalize itself. I've gone back and forth between the candidates and truly hope we do not start eating each other alive.

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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:38 PM
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8. That is what is so sad about this whole mess. Obama's message may
be lost and a whole slew of newly engaged voters turned off. :(

I'm going to do my best not to let it happen. GObama!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:37 AM
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9. This article makes me cry , because
it is so fucking true. :(
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:06 AM
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10. K&R
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rosetta627 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:09 AM
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11. Akin to an assassination, very graphic
Well said.

"If the Clintons grind up and kill the most promising young leader since Kennedy, and if they do it not on the strength of their arguments, but by the kind of politics we have seen them deploy, the backlash will be deep and severe and long. As it should be.

He has a million little donors. He has brought many, many Republicans and Independents to the brink of re-thinking their relationship with the Democratic party. And he has won the majority of primaries and caucuses and has a majority of the delegates and popular vote. This has been a staggering achievement - one that has already made campaign history. If the Clintons, after having already enjoyed presidential power for eight long years, destroy this movement in order to preserve their own grip on privilege and influence in Democratic circles, it will be more than old-fashioned politics. It will be a generational moment - as formative as 1968. Killing it will be remembered for a very, very long time. And everyone will remember who did it - and why."
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:43 AM
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14. It is akin to Nixon's Southern Strategy
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rosetta627 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:46 AM
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15. I've heard that before rosebud; I need to learn about
Nixon's Southern strategy. Thanks for the pointer.

History does repeat itself. Especially bad history.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:59 AM
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17. African Americans are 12% but a loyal voting block because the GOP exploits white
racism to keep the Southern States in the red column. Hillary is demonizing Obama in the same way the GOP demonizes Democrats by associating them with limousine liberals or elites. They are saying only Hillary and Hillary supporters understand economic uncertainty and an economy that has failed all but the rich.

This is absurd. That a democrat would use sterotypes from the GOP playbook speaks volumes.

I cannot believe the 180 my feelings towards her have taken in the last 2 weeks. I absolutely detest her now.
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rosetta627 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:26 AM
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19. I appreciate the explanation
I'm reading more about it on the tubes.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:58 AM
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16. He's correct, of course
The MILLIONS of young people (18-26 or so) who would have flocked to the polls to vote Dem in November will be staying home, and the few that don't will be voting for McCain. We had a chance to set ourselves up with a 10-million vote head start for the next 12 years or more. That is now gone, probably replaced by a 4-5 million voter head start provided by the Clinton-hating Limbeciles. The only upside I see is that after 4 years of President McCain, we will have suffered through another Republican Great Depression and the neocon era may be replaced by anarchism.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:01 AM
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18. The worst part about Hillary pissing on all that excitement is the SCOTUS
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:36 PM
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23. Exactly: "For the first time in decades, a candidate has emerged who seems able to
address the country's and the world's needs with a message that does not rely on Clintonian parsing or Rovian sleaze." That says it all.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:19 PM
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24. K & R
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sooperedd Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:43 PM
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25. Bye Bye Dems
This may be premature, but if the Party hands the nomination to HRC, I am bolting for good.
I will not vote for a candidate that wallows in the gutter as she has the past month or so. It is all about her and she will do anything to get elected. She is repulsive.
Nadar '08. :-(
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:54 PM
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26. I absolutely concur - I have been to Obama rallies and the energy and enthusiasm
takes me back to my youth when another man unleashed our youthful spirit and we set upon changing society in innumerable ways. Obama has mobilized a movement to change the direction of this country and if the old political machine tries to snuff it out there will be hell to pay. I do not think Clinton will get the support of many of people who are new to the political process that Obama has unleashed if she seizes the nomination by underhanded means.
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