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Paul Rogat Loeb Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:32 PM
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It's Her Party and She'll Do What She Wants To
Hillary Clinton has now been campaigning in Florida and arguing that the state's delegates should count, along with those from the Michigan primary. This would sound fair enough, unless you know that both Michigan and Florida moved their primaries up after the Democrats agreed that the only states to vote before February 5th ("Super Tuesday") would be Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina (picked because they were relatively small states, representing different demographics). The Democratic Party agreed that votes from the two renegade primaries would not count. The major candidates made an explicit agreement not to campaign in either state. Florida law required that all candidates keep their names on, but Obama and Edwards pulled their names from the Michigan ballot.

Now Clinton is trying to change the rules mid-game. She's arguing that her delegates from Michigan should count after all. (Running essentially unopposed, she still got only 55% of the vote, since 40% voted "uncommitted" and Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel--and Chris Dodd, who'd already dropped out--split the remaining 5%.) She's campaigning in Florida with a wink and a nod (doing closed talks and photo ops, not public rallies), while trying to get those delegates to count too. She seems to be banking on the hope that a Florida win, even if only symbolic, will erase Obama's momentum from his massive South Carolina victory.

Now you can argue the right or wrong of the Democratic decision to put teeth into the agreement that the primaries should have some kind of structured sequence, and not just be a mad dash to see who comes earliest. And the Florida situation was created not by state Democrats but by the Republican legislature. But I can find no evidence that Clinton raised objections when the initial decisions were made. And now she's trying to change the rules in the middle of the game. Her surrogate Bill overtly supported a similar attempt when allied teachers union officials tried to ban special caucuses on the Nevada strip after the Culinary Workers Union endorsed Obama. Ironically, Clinton won a majority of these caucuses, but her contempt for the rules was the same. She was a team player only when she thought it would benefit her.

We actually saw the same pattern in 2006. In a season when Democratic candidates were scrambling to raise enough to finance an ever-expanding array of competitive races, Clinton made a conscious decision to raise $52 million for a Senate campaign that she could have won in her pajamas, spent $40.8 million (to beat a token opponent who spent less than $6 million), and transferred the rest to her presidential campaign. Only the self-funded Jon Corzine has ever spent more for a Senate race in our history.

You could say she was just playing the game, but Barack Obama and John Edwards, in comparison, campaigned throughout the country to support worthy Democratic candidates, while doing negligible fundraising for themselves. Obama emerged with less than a million in the bank and the Edwards campaign ended up still in debt from 2004. Their top priorities really did seem to be helping other Democrats win a critical election, instead of subordinating all other goals to their own personal futures.

Imagine if Hillary had transferred $20 million into the dozen Congressional campaigns that Democrats lost by margins as close as a few hundred votes. Or into Harold Ford's Senatorial campaign, to help close a $5-million gap with Republican Bob Corker. A few extra ads or mailings might well have tipped the balance But Hillary made different decisions. Much as may have been true with her support of a recent Iran vote so reckless that Senator James Webb called it "Dick Cheney's pipe dream," her priority was election-year positioning.

If we look at Clinton's actions throughout this campaign, they consistently put her right to win above broader principles. Even the tears that turned around her New Hampshire campaign seemed to me to be about her frustration that the nomination she thought was her birthright seemed about to slip away. As Frank Rich has written, even her choice to feature Bill Clinton in the campaign as lead attack dog risked bringing up enough old ghosts to sharply increase the likelihood of Republican victory in November. No one runs for president unless they are ambitious, but once you think you have the right to rewrite the rules in mid-course, or subordinate every opportunity of your critical allies to your own personal gain, you set up a precedent unsettlingly like the administration we have just endured for the past seven years. And I don't think we want to go there again.




Paul Rogat Loeb is the author of The Impossible Will Take a Little While: A Citizen's Guide to Hope in a Time of Fear, named the #3 political book of 2004 by the History Channel and the American Book Association. His previous books include Soul of a Citizen: Living with Conviction in a Cynical Time. See www.paulloeb.org


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:38 PM
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1. pure desperation
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:39 PM
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2. Excellent post -- sad but true, the Clintons believe they OWN the party
They've dissed Howard Dean at every opportunity (even seeking to replace him, right after he'd helped us retake Congress in '06) and are continuing to do so, but in such obvious ways that it's unmasking their contempt for rules or anyone who won't let them bend/break them.
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LA Blog Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:53 PM
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14. I agree!
If you look at this post, it links to an article from the New York Times (which is in SUPPORT of Hillary) that their campaign is still at risk and averse to rules... http://witnessla.com/elections-08/2008/admin/the-risk-of-billary/
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 07:55 PM
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3. Recommended.
I have read other of your work, and it is much appreciated.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 12:00 PM
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12. Obama is becoming my second choice after Edwards
Thanks for the info.
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:07 PM
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4. I made the same point some time back
When the Florida and Michigan was first going on.


I'll bet you a dollar that those delegates will end up being seated and going to Clinton.
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WistfulAssassin Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:59 PM
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5. I don't like the fact that Florida broke the rules
I think if they are not punished, chaos will ensue during the next primary, and the next and the next.
The party must set an example.
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huddledmass Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:47 PM
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6. The real rule breaker
has been Senator Obama. His campaign ads have been playing on TV here in Florida for almost a week now. Under the DNC rules fund raising is allowed. Senators Clinton and Edwards have kept their pledge. The Florida Democratic Primary is more than a "beauty contest." I have decided to vote for Senator Clinton. If Senator Obama does not want my vote, so be it. Tip O'Neil always told the rookies not to expect someone's vote if you haven't asked for it.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 05:39 AM
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7. Welcome to the DU. We hope you also yearn to breathe free...
Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen in Oregon (spent 28 years in SE Florida, some of it in TV and radio)
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 06:53 AM
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8. He got clearance for those ads from the DEM PARTY, because
the stations said there was no way to specifically block them in Florida.

Do some research before you spout lies.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:21 PM
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21. They are nationwide ads
necessitated by the Bill Clinton smears of the last several weeks. Obama is not as well known as the Clintons and they were using Bill's megaphone to negatively define him. His ad is designed to define himself first.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:05 AM
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9. History can show us that the Clinton's don't think rules apply to them.
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 07:06 AM by JTFrog
There is a pattern going on here. Trying to take away votes in Nevada after the union endorsed Obama. Breaking the pledge not to campaign or recognize NH or FL delegates. SHE AGREED NOT TO MONTHS AGO JUST LIKE SHE AGREED TO THE CAUCUS SITES IN NEVADA LAST YEAR. But when things don't turn out to her advantage she tries to change the rules. It's making for some really ugly politics that I never wanted to see associated with the democratic party.



“Most people would succeed in small things if they were not troubled with great ambitions.”

“He who sacrifices his conscience to ambition burns a picture to obtain the ashes”
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Bentcorner Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:24 AM
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10. Votes should always count. If you are on the side that is arguing that someone's votes should not
count, you are on the wrong side.
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ToughLuck Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:25 AM
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11. That is not the point..Hillary had opportunity in Florida and Nevada to
voice her objections almost a year ago and she in turn agreed to the rules..it is obvious what she is doing..and many folks do not appreciate it.
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Bentcorner Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:01 PM
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13. These folks that don't appreciate it.... are any of them people who's
votes won't count?
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:20 AM
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15. My vote isn't going to count and I live in Indiana.
And my reps didn't even screw us here, it's just the accepted law of the land that the nominee will be chosen before we have our primaries here.

But if my reps did screw me, I'd be making sure they didn't get voted back into office next elections. After all they voted to put them there in the first place.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:44 AM
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16. Florida's and Michigan's votes should be counted.
If Obama had won you would be declaring a victory for him and banging down the doors to make them count. Subjective values. Your way or the highway. Real democrats are better than that so grow up.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:52 PM
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17. Nice analysis, but for one important omission
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 06:00 PM by MBS
The real contrast to HRC in the 2006 congressional campaign is not so much John Edwards or Barack Obama (and I say this as an Obama supporter myself), but John Kerry, who campaigned his heart out for congressional, senatorial, and local candidates across the country in 2006, not only raising significant money through his email list, but also spending time, energy, and shoe leather really working for those Dem. candidates. In addition to these general efforts, he spent special energy working for Dem veterans, in both primaries and general elections, and defending several veterans (Patrick Murphy, Joe Sestak, Jim Webb all come to mind. . )against swiftboating. He also was one of the few Dems who campaigned vigorously for Ned Lamont in the PRIMARY as well as the general election.

His endorsement of Barack Obama, and continued selfless commitment to and efforts for Obama's campaign has proceeded with classic classy Kerry style.

Seriously. Kerry deserves major props for his efforts. As I remember, Rahm Emmanuel (of all people) thanked Kerry for his efforts. So , I think, did Howard Dean (who was also terrific in his own right-- his 50-state strategy paid off in 2006 and will continue to pay dividends in 2008). And, at a book-signing in Cambridge last spring, I , along with others, witnessed Ned Lamont coming up to Sen. Kerry after the event specifically to thank Kerry for standing up for him when other Dems were running away .. but, still, Kerry's efforts (witness this post) seem not to be broadly recognized.

John Kerry is a mensch, and deserves greater, broader , louder thanks for his efforts for Dems, in both 2006 and 2008, than he has gotten to date.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:17 PM
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18. I thought Kerry was neutral during the CT primary (which was
pretty good since many DC Dems campaigned for Lieberman), and then once Lamont was picked, Kerry not only endorsed him but raised money and appeared with him (and that appearance was at the end, when it clearly looked like Lamont would lose).

The rest of your post is spot on!
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:29 PM
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19. Thanks for possible correction re CT primary. .I'd remembered differently
but didn't do a fact check, so you're probably right. It's true that Sen. Kerry generally stayed out of primaries unless there was a veteran running for the nomination. . If you're able to dig up a link to refresh me on the real history there, please let me know !
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:17 PM
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20. Also he and Feingold were the only sitting Democrats to
overtly state they were neutral.
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