Are Liberals Abandoning Clinton?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

My guess is they never really embraced either Clinton to begin with. Sure, we swallow the pill and take credit for their success, but we've been in denial about their failures and support them all too often because cons hate them.

Here's a great column on just that issue:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-chait26jan26,0,7890763.column

[DJ13]

1. Hillary's campaign tactics are causing some liberals to turn against the couple.

Something strange happened the other day. All these different people -- friends, co-workers, relatives, people on a liberal e-mail list I read -- kept saying the same thing: They've suddenly developed a disdain for Bill and Hillary Clinton. Maybe this is just a coincidence, but I think we've reached an irrevocable turning point in liberal opinion of the Clintons.

The sentiment seems to be concentrated among Barack Obama supporters. Going into the campaign, most of us liked Hillary Clinton just fine, but the fact that tens of millions of Americans are seized with irrational loathing for her suggested that she might not be a good Democratic nominee. But now that loathing seems a lot less irrational. We're not frothing Clinton haters like ... well, name pretty much any conservative. We just really wish they'd go away.

:thumbsup:

Pretty much on the money.

Thanks for posting that link!

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. The "great column" is a pro-Obama opinion piece.

No big deal, they've been counting the Clintons out since '92.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

3. Nonsense

They were voting for them then.

[DJ13]

5. Obama has been a candidate for President since 1992?

Or are you so screwed up you're assuming anyone who supports Obama has to be a Republican?

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. Clinton haters have been counting them out since '92.

Sorry you are in such a blind rage that you can't understand my post.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

9. If That Was Your Point..........

............... you didn't make it.

Most democrats, including liberals and Obama supporters, VOTED for Clinton in 92.

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. "Clinton haters" is a term only used by Clinton partisans.

I enthusiastically backed Clinton in 92. I grudgingly supported him in 96. I gave up on him in '00, yet I donated to Hillary for her senate seat. Gave up on her after her abandoning of Kerry in 04.

And yes, now I just want them to go away.

They've NEVER favored progressives, so there is no reason for progressives to favor them.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

23. You Sound Like Me

......... and alot of folks.

[Prophet 451]

32. Seconded

I actually quite like both Clintons but this BS of calling anyone who doesn't support them a "Clinton hater" has got to stop.

[jbnow]

30. Obama a candidate since 66 when he wrote that essay nt

[Demeter]

4. Since The Clintons Have Abandoned the LIberals, It Seems Likely and Reasonable

[The_Casual_Observer]

7. Ever actually peeked at Clinton's senate voting record?

I didn't think so.

[Demeter]

8. Yes I Have, Thank You

And everything I've supported, everything this nation desperately needed, has not gotten consideration in word or deed from either Clinton since Bill left office.

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. I would suggest that you run for Senate then.

& you can get your way for a change.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

14. Right....... Got It Now .........

............. that's the only option you 'think' I have.

I might actually come to another conclusion about you. LOL

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. or vote for nader.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

18. Update Your News Subscriptions

............ there are options other than the Clintons.

You know........four months ago.... I was right there with Clinton.... I supported her...... but then something happened....... I realized I'm not voting for 'them'... I'm voting for a President.

I'm reminded and emboldened by folks like you that.......... we have alternatives.

[papau]

34. just curious - could you list out the votes/issues you refer to and explain how Obama has voted for

your issue - it appears that Hillary and Obama have about the same voting record in the Senate - so I am curious as to what you are seeing.

[Demeter]

44. And That's Why I'm Not Supporting Obama, Either

[papau]

45. Well we agree DK followed by Edwards are the best on the issues! :-)

[fightthegoodfightnow]

10. Are You Kidding?

Hhhmmmmmm............ yea......... :sarcasm: .......... it must have been that Iraq war funding part I missed.

[The_Casual_Observer]

13. Yes, that was the whole liberal agenda right there.

This is a waste of time.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

16. And There You Have It

............. one of the most important issues.......... not just of liberals....... but of Americans ....................... dismissed with the stroke of "This is a waste of time."


















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[The_Casual_Observer]

17. You are delusional.

A nut.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

19. Name Calling Will Only Get Your Post Noted by the Moderator

If you have a point to make about the Clintons or Obama, make it.

Otherwise, you are just irrelevant.

[The_Casual_Observer]

20. Delusional

[Prophet 451]

33. Better a nut than an asshole

[The_Casual_Observer]

36. I don't think you got your choice.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

37. Still Nothing to Say about Clinton or Obama

No surprise there..

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. What good does it do, pray tell, to feed hungry children

just so you can later ship them off to die in Asia?

[mitchtv]

12. Liberals like Edwards

Obama is no more liberal than Hillary.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

21. You May Be Right on That.....

........ I would love for this to go to the convention for the first time with Edwards holding the cards with neither Clinton or Edwards having enough to win. Could be fun.

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. Time for some Edwards payback for Clinton's machinations, with

the DLC, against the Kerry/Edwards ticket, maybe.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

27. Agree Completely

I think there are alot of folks who are just sick and tired of the DLC. I know Dean has to keep everyone in the tent, but he's been a huge disappointment when it comes to progressives having a voice in the party.

When is the Democratic wing of the Democratic party going to have a voice again?

[OHdem10]

25. Some Liberals depending on how you define Liberal.

I am Center Left Liberal who recognizes that Bill Clinton
is the one Democrat who has won elections and has been
able to brige gaps. I have lived in South and in MidWest
and a lot of liberals are out of touch. They would
never have permitted this race stuff to get started
instead they encourage it and blame Clintons.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

29. Nonsense

Encouraged it and blamed the Clintons?

The Clintons want it both ways. What I find amazing is that in the last month, I find myself writing Clintons (plural) for the first time.

Obama said it when he said: I'm not sure who I am running against.

[jbnow]

28. I started to reply but read the article

and it's pretty much what they said,

A few big differences is that I see the shift in real life (not blogs) whoever people were supporting. Those on the fence got off and not in their direction. Obama supporters might have noticed what was happening more quickly because if you don't know who said what it gets blurred.
But lately even some who planned to vote for Clinton aren't so sure.
"
That's what politicians are supposed to do when they compete for votes. But criticism isn't the same thing as lying and sleaze-mongering." that's it and it's also an ex-president taking this role. Support Hillary, yes, talk her up, gather crowds.

The first temper flares in NH were so surprising. Blaming Obama and voters and primary schedule...but you figure he is let down for her and just lost it.

Anyway it just was keeping it ugly. You start thinking they'll win ugly and then November will be lost because the whole country is seeing this!

Don't feel we abandoned him (and him is now them) but they abandoned us. They would do great just being their best selves.

Makes me sad

[fightthegoodfightnow]

31. You are Right

........ particularly about the notion that we could lose the general election because of this. It pisses me off. If they don't temper their nonsense, they could win the nomination and lose the election because folks are just turned off by this sleaziness.

[benny05]

35. Is she one?

She may have been one in 1972.

[ixion]

38. if they have any sense, yes...

because Hillary stands for four more years of fascism.

[water]

39. Clinton has never been left-wing, I never really understood leftist support.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

40. True.........

............ but I'm trying to get my head around why the right is endorsing Obama, as evidenced by the Chicago Tribune.

The whole thing is starting to distress me. I never thought I would be this undecided this far into the campaign.

[water]

41. I'm a libertarian supporter. :)

Many libertarians view him as the most centrist of all the Democratic candidates. Yes, he's done some leftist things while in a leftist state senate, but he is the only candidate running whose central platform is not leftist ideas; instead, he is running as a unifying centrist. Sure, he throws his base some red meat during the primaries, but all candidates have to do that. All candidates move towards the center for geenral election.

In addition to moving towards the center in the general election, all politicians move further towards the center while in office, which means that he'll really alienate his coalition of supporters if tries to govern from the left.

Of course, we're horrified from all the Republican front-runners, so they aren't even on the table. :)

[fightthegoodfightnow]

42. I'm Not So Sure "Centrist" is Good

.......... if it doesn't stand for anything.

[ursi]

43. Gawd, I hope so! They had their turn for 8 years.

Hillary does good on her own two feet and should stay in Congress and let her husband hang out with Bush Sr. and Dubai.