Reporters Agree: Hillary Is A Cold Fish

[antiimperialist]

Talking Points Memo
January 2, 2008 -- 3:28 PM EST

You already knew this, but reporters really, really don't like Hillary, as this account of an encounter between Hillary and the press today confirms yet again:

Hillary stepped onto the parked press bus in Indianola for about 90 seconds to deliver bagels and coffee, and I'm not sure what this says about Clinton and the press — the chill, I think, comes from both sides — but it was a strange moment. She expressed her sympathies that we're away from our families and "significant others," tried a joke at the expense of her press secretary, and paused. Nobody even shouted a question, whether because of the surprise, the assumption that she wouldn't actually answer, or the sheer desire to end the encounter.

One reporter compared the awkwardness to running unexpectedly into an ex-girlfriend.

"Maybe we should go outside and warm up," said another, as Clinton exited into the freezing air.

This is a strange and telling encounter. Hillary brings reporters bagels, says some conciliatory stuff. They sit in silence. Hillary leaves. Reporters mock Hillary, with one suggesting that the bus is colder than the outside air because of Hillary's presence.

The takeaway, obviously, is that reporters think Hillary is a cold fish -- that even if she did bring them bagels, she just doesn't like them very much.

Read story:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2008/01/reporters_hilla.php

[David Dunham]

1. The reporters are spoiled A-holes

[Demeter]

37. Unprofessional, At the Very Least

But we could tell that by the kinds of things they write, and Don't write!

[rodeodance]

43. BINGO to both of above comments

[yourout]

2. As much as I am not a Hillary fan......I don't blame her one bit for being a little jadded towards..

reporters.

The crap she had to put up with during Monicagate would make anyone jittery towards the press.

[Joe Bacon]

39. Screw the Press!

Those liars would do Pravda proud. Hillary should just stiff all of them. Don't provide anything for any of those god-damned stenographers! Make 'em pay out of their own pocket.

[Evergreen Emerald]

3. What a sexist bunch of crap

Oh my god. An distinguished Senator who has dedicated her life to helping people and they are acting like a bunch of sexist pigs.

[journalist3072]

4. What is the point of this post? Who cares whether or not reporters like her? It's not their job to

fall in love with her...it's their job to simply report the facts, and that's all they need to be concerned about. There really are some narcissistic people in the media.

[Dr.Phool]

11. Reporters, report facts?

I don't think they read their job descriptions.

[indimuse]

38. tooshay...

:wtf:

[pnwmom]

53. The point of this is that this probably produces biased coverage in the media.

The reporters didn't like Kerry either, or Gore for that matter, and look what happened to them.

[Zensea]

5. Sexism, pure and simple

Hillary would be my sixth or seventh choice voting in a primary, but this kind of stuff is ridiculous.
Especially when you couple the specifics of the charge with Hillary's personal life.
Calling someone a cold fish who has a husband who has had more than one affair is more than petty.
It's grade A asshole behavior.

[Andromeda]

36. I appreciate posters like you

who admit they don't like Hillary but can be objective about situations that she encounters. Some here use every opportunity to attack her no matter what it is.

Not using this time to bash her speaks to your class. :)

Kudos to all DUers who saw the situation for what it was without using it as an another opportunity and being objective about it.:toast:

[insanad]

60. Rectal Examination

I agree. It's inappropriate, unprofessional, and nasty to ridicule Hilary Clinton on things she really has no control of nor are relevant to her ability to lead. I'm not a fan of Hilary but I do admire many things about her and her strengths. Unfortunately her personality is not seen by many others as amiable.

I'd rather have a rectal exam by a crusty fisted proctologist,without KY gel than be in her position. No matter what she does she's ridiculed for either being a bitch or a patsy. I don't know if women in our culture can have it both ways.

The hardest thing to reconcile is that if she does win the Democratic nomination she will be so vilified and ridiculed by the Republican pundits, every unflattering photo possible exaggerated, ever nuance in her voice, every slight show of stress will be magnified till she is seen as nothing but a characature. Her gifts or strengths will not have any relevance or the opportunity to shine because she'll have to spend all her time and effort denying and undoing the constant barrage of negative attacks against her. The polarization that infects our once great nation will grow and make enemies of every part of the political realm, even more than it presently has. I wish it weren't so, but I don't think our people are mature enough to deal with a Woman President.

[CoffeeCat]

6. Iowans agree with the reporters...

Hillary is a cold fish running a campaign in Iowa that lacked warmth--that's for sure.

Since Dec 3rd, the woman has not answered a question from an Iowan.

I guess if it's not planted, she's not interested.

Her campaign has been so lackluster and inspiring.

Hillary is like the straight-A student who shows up for the SATs without having
prepared or studied.

She thought she had it in the bag with her "inevitability". She Roved her way through
the state for a while, and now she's not even trying.

[journalist3072]

8. Yawn..........

[antiimperialist]

9. Where did you get the info that she hasn't answered a question there since December 3rd?

I'd like to read that article, and I'd like to know the source.
Or are you the sole source?

[CoffeeCat]

16. Actually...

...one of her rival campaigns has a calendar on the wall, and they've been keeping track since
Dec 3rd.

There have also been several media stories discussing her preach-and-dash campaign style.

But don't worry you're pretty little head about it. Just dismiss it.

You Hillborgs...if it's information you don't like, unless I have double-blind studies and years of research
to back up what is happening here in the state, Hillaryophiles claim it never happened.

Carry on in your cloud of denial that will be burst into a million pieces when
Hillary comes in third tomorrow--if she's lucky.

[antiimperialist]

19. Thanks for the invisible link

my sourceless friend.
Nice fairy tale though, about the calendar.

[CoffeeCat]

26. I see...

...so you're calling me a liar.

There is a calendar. So, if you don't see it, it doesn't exist?

What is so far fetched about a rival campaign keeping track of the days
she's gone without asking questions?

I'm not getting you.

If I wanted to lie about something, I think I would lie about something
a bit more substantial. I doubt I'd lie about something as mundane as a calendar
that scoffed her lack of question taking.

Wow, you call into question my lack of sources, but you so easily
accuse someone of being a liar--obviously without any proof.

Nice fairy tale, indeed. Down the rabbit hole we go with your drivel.

[Name removed]

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[CoffeeCat]

27. ...and you're a...

...real lovely person.

Love the name calling.

I've never met an Edwards supporter who talked like that.

[Andromeda]

34. You are one nasty piece of work.

.

[Hardrada]

12. She didn't take any questions here last Saturday

and only took a couple here in October.

[CoffeeCat]

17. After tomorrow night...

...she'll be taking lots of Zanax.

[Hardrada]

31. Too bad there are no pills for arrogance.

I hope my wife doesn't remember my online promise to start going to church again if the Hillbots meet defeat. It will be something wonderful if they do like Salamis or Tannenberg!

[onetinsoldier]

13. origanal message

as i have said from day one,hillary will not be our next
president,maureen dowd is certainly on anti female sexist but
she has hillary's number 

[sallyseven]

45. Maureen dowd is a cheap fraud.

I no longer, and have not for some time, taken anything she says seriously. She hates Hillary just like Huffington and Crissy Matthews do. Keep your prejudice in your pocket and do your job the right way folks.

[Captain Hilts]

22. I met some real skeptics - one a church-goer from Upstate NY and the other an NIH physician...

and they both found her vastly more charming in real life and came away impressed.

[libbygurl]

49. This is the thing - I find that REAL people do find her likable IN PERSON.

I've never met her personally, but I keep coming across anecdotes from those who have, who find to their surprise that she's really a warm person. The MSM have just hated her from the start, and they're not ashamed to show it.

I say, to hell with these "reporters" who prefer joking around with W to doing their job - report on what's really going on, do the hard work of analysis of genuine issues, and without preconceived bias!

After the way they treated her throughout the 90s and 00s, who can blame HRC for her dislike of this idiot bunch of lazy bums who just want to enjoy the perks of the job without doing the work?

And not even a gracious "Thank You" to HRC for the coffee and doughnuts? Arrogant, ungrateful and rude, to boot!

[Andromeda]

33. You don't know if Hillary has actually

answered a question from an Iowan or not unless you're GOD. If you are then you know all, see all and hear all. It's amazing how you can be everyplace at the same time.

I find your post to be the same old redundant crap you post all the time.

[iamjoy]

7. Miss Congeniality She's Not

And who gives a flip?
She's smart, she's tough. She's shrewd. I believe she is compassionate, but not in a mushy way. She's, oh gosh - practical.

Would you rather have some perky friendly idiot for President. Oh, wait. A lot of people would.

And I'm not even a Hillary supporter, but this is unfair.

[Captain Hilts]

24. She's not my first choice either. But this kind of crap really ticks me off. nt

[TwilightGardener]

10. Somebody who brings me a bagel and coffee automatically earns my love.

But I'm a cheap date.

[Captain Hilts]

23. Okay, I'll admit it. Me too. nt

[Cronopio]

40. You mean kindness is enough for you?

What can I say but ... :applause:

That, and stay away from politicians and media people. Even if they call you a cold fish.

[kurth]

14. Katie Kouric for prez?

WTF.

[Doctor_J]

47. That's it! The un-Hillary!

Imagine her capturing the world's collective heart!

:eyes:

[Missy M]

15. What childish nonsense.....

in fact I find this report a little hard to believe but then I'm not exactly a fan of the press.

[still_one]

18. I don't like Hillary either, but it has to do with the issues, and I detest the reporters

who helped push us into this war, they can go to hell

[Captain Hilts]

21. They didn't like Bill Clinton either. nt

[Captain Hilts]

25. Aren't these the same folks that marketed Bush as "genuine," &"a guy you'd like to have a beer with?

[KoKo]

52. Yep....they've been in Bush's pants pocket from the get go. So, their rude

behavior is just more of their loyalty to the laughing chimp.

[OHdem10]

28. Fox News reported a Survey which showed the TV.MSM

and Cable Channels, Fox, CNN, MSNBC had given HRC 60% Negative Coverage.
(News Programs on these TV Channels.)

Same Channels had given OBAMA 50% Positive Coverage.

Yes, you can believe your "lyin' eyes"

I say HRC has something going for her. 60% Negative Coverage
and they cannot hold her down.

[emilyg]

29. Stupid.

[tom_paine]

30. Ugh! Same shit they did with Gore. What are they, in fucking junior high?

I forgot, the level of Amerikan discourse since the Bushie began their audacious National Reprogramming Through Repetition and Propaganda has indeed descended to the Junior High Level.

If the Nazis ran a Junior High, that is.

[Beacool]

32. Hillary doesn't like nor trust the press and they know it.

In her early days as first lady Hillary found out the hard way that she couldn't trust the press. She gave a couple of interviews that distorted what she had said. One was in a particularly vulnerable time in her life right after her father died and she made the mistake of opening up to a reporter. She talked about her faith and religion, in the printed article the reporter mocked her spirituality and she never trusted the press again. She holds them in disdain and considers them a necessary evil. The reporters are aware of this and they repay her by giving her bad press.

[Andromeda]

35. Poor widdle babies....

maybe their mommies took away their pacifiers too early.

They should just go home and lick their wounds and kiss the camera bye-bye.

Then, they should send some adults to do the job of REAL reporters.

[yurbud]

41. Do American reporters know how ignorant and juvenile this makes them look?

[yurbud]

42. American MSM would be best at covering 8th grade student body president election not

one where people's jobs and lives are at stake.

In 8th grade, it really is just a popularity contest with no consequences whatsoever for the winner or the loser.

If we had TV news in 19th century, Franklin Pierce would probably be considered our greatest president, and Lincoln would have been weeded out of the primaries for being too ugly and having extremist ideas like stopping the spread of slavery.

[sallyseven]

44. I can';t imagine why they think she doesn't like them

They are so honest and forthright with her. They don't put words in her mouth nor do they misrepresent what she says. Reporters have no morals or scruples. They are always angeling for some shit about the person. I wouldn't lose any sleep if I were her. She can toss them all in the dump after she gets elected.

[Doctor_J]

46. SHe does seem kind of buttoned-down, compared to Obama and Edwards

Just MNSHO

[libbygurl]

48. Yeah, same jerks who LOVED G W Bush. See context of incident in this essay:

http://salon.com/opinion/greenwald/

This same batch of so-called reporters loved (and still love) George W. Bush.

'Nuff said.

[grasswire]

50. they complained about the food Gore gave them, too

They're treating Hillary about as well as they treated Al. And I'm not a supporter of Hillary.

[paulk]

51. Hillary has every reason to despise our press corp

after what they did to her during her husband's eight years in the White House.

And I think we all should feel the same way toward these folks - look at the coverage of both Gore and Kerry when contrasted with the coverage of Bush in the last two elections. The MSM is not on our side, and everything they do and say should be seen through that filter...

[Voltaire99]

54. She's really quite nice when you get to know her.

Especially if you're an outsourcing CEO, a big Pentagon muckety muck or a health care industry lobbyist.

[MasonJar]

55. Okay, reporters, are you once again looking for someone to have a beer

with...you know, the kind who is so self-absorbed that he/she ruins the country and the world...or are you looking for a serious president, who actually has a brilliant mind with ideas and ideals in said mind?

[Skittles]

56. and she's shrill and cackles too

S E X I S T

[terisan]

57. In 2000 the reporters did same to Gore; they loved Bush's warmth. They got conned.

[wisteria]

63. Good point and they did it in 2004 to Kerry also.

Seems like it works though. People obviously like being told who to like and indirectly who to vote for.

[Egalia]

58. God help us

if the press picks the winner again. They certainly preferred Bush to Gore.

[indimuse]

59. what kind of fish??

:wow:

[MethuenProgressive]

61. The media hates the Clintons. Always have. Always will.

And the sheeple follow the media's lead.

[wisteria]

62. This is nothing but the media promoting their darling buy labeling

the candidate they don't want as unlikable. They did this to Kerry in 04 and if you ask anyone who was at his rallies and meet with him, they would tell you he is a nice down to earth guy.

Gee, do we all want to now have a beer with Obama. Or, how about a merlot.