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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:17 AM
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brooks ny times electablity
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 10:30 AM by mopinko
hope this is not a dupe. this whole issue sure does make us look stupid. (cuz when we go down this road, we are stupid)
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/31/opinion/31BROO.html?
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:20 AM
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1. You're citing David Broder?
enough said.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:21 AM
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2. David Broder is a RW hack....
His recent appointment to the NYT, not withstanding...
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:29 AM
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4. i cited it because
we have been having that exact debate ad nauseum here. it looked stupid here, it looked stupid there, it looks stupid to the less informed members of the public. the level of discourse needs to be raised. most of the issue threads here seem to sink like so many rocks. (accept if they have something to do with women's rights, in which case it begins to look like freeperville). the level of discourse needs to be raised.
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:28 AM
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3. David BROOKS
Your link is not to a piece by David Broder, but by David Brooks.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:30 AM
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5. my bad, fixed
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TomNickell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:31 AM
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6. BROOKS! not Broder. n/t
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:59 AM
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7. Brooks is a
conservative writer. So is Broder. Not too differnt. He is on with timmy boy so he has to behave in a repuke manner.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:14 AM
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8. the reason we can talk about electability . . .
is because all of the candidates are pretty much in the same ball park on the major issues . . . all favor some kind of helthcare reform to cover everyone, all favor transitioning Iraq from an all American to a multinational operation, all want to roll back all or part of the Bush tax cuts, etc., etc., etc. . . . what differences they have are of detail, emphasis, and nuance, so for all intents and purposes, whoever is nominated will be pursuing a Democratic agenda that is, in most respects, opposite the Bush agenda . . . with policy differences so minimal, talking about electability makes perfect sense, imo . . .
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Warren Stuart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:16 AM
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9. Actually it's a damning indictment of the system
Or rather how unfair the system is, and the hoops an opposition party has to jump through to get its message across.

Electability was never an issue with Bush, not when his cronies own the media.

Brooks worked for the Weekly Standard, a Murdoch conservative tabloid. The fact that the Times would hire such a hack writer, speaks volumes about their journalistic ethics.

The timing of Brooks hiring was suspicious, he was brought on right after Krugman started to get recognized. It appeared as though he was brought on to counter balace Krugman. However Krugman deals with truth and facts, Brooks deals with lies and spin. This article is no exception.

So who looks stupid now?
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Meritaten1 Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:33 AM
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10. Disagree- the piece should embarrass Mr. Brooks!
How unfortunate for him to make such absurd arguments and to belittle voters (his readers) so freely.

IMHO, Democrats need to get out of the bad habit of critizing themselves first when Republicans attack. The problem lies with the Republicans, who cannot make logical arguments in support of their exclusionary positions and instead resort to condescending attacks on the motivations and characters of their opponents; or in this case, an attack upon the intelligence and motivations of Democratic primary voters.
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