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jbfam4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:23 PM
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ELDER STATESMEN OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY CALL ON AMERICANS TO VOTE BUSH OUT
ELDER STATESMEN OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY CALL ON AMERICANS TO VOTE BUSH OUT OF OFFICE IN NOVEMBER

http://www.cnionline.org/

WASHINGTON, Jan.30: Two elder statesmen of the Republican Party urged American voters to turn President George W. Bush out of office in November if he fails to reject the neoconservative policies of unilateral war and intervention in dealing with international terrorism.



Losing Our National Moorings and Waging War without End
Findley told the Capitol Hill audience: “I have never worried about America’s future – until now – but we are in a deep hole in Iraq... In the name of national security, the president has brought about fundamental, revolutionary changes that threaten our national moorings.”
In carrying out his policies, “Bush isolates America from common undertakings with time-tested allies. He trivializes the United Nations and violates its charter... while at home, he stoops to bigoted measures based on race and national origin, tramples of civil liberties, and spreads anxiety, fear, and shame throughout the land.”

Livid against America for the Unquestioning Alliance with Israel
“Why do anti-American protests rage worldwide?” Findley asked. “The answer: People worldwide, especially in Iraq and Palestine, are livid over grievances against America.”


“In an exquisite example of hypocrisy, with one hand the president tries to convince Iraqi Arabs that he offers them democracy and freedom while, with the other, he supports Israel’s denial of these very rights to Palestinian Arabs next door.”

As a Republican, Findley felt “no joy in making this case against the president. He may be sincere in his stewardship, but he is wrong – dead wrong – in the direction he is taking our country. I fear that he is manipulated by underlings who are primarily motivated by concerns for oil and Israel.”

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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:27 PM
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1. Front page of DUH magazine...


But I guess that would make these people "anti-semitic" for pointing this out, right?
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 05:00 PM
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24. Anybody who
dares criticize Israel or question anything about the Holocaust or do anything that irritates the Zionists is demonized as an antisemite by them.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:28 PM
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2. Jeesh what are Zell and Jeb going to say
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 04:29 PM by StClone
The rats are jumping too bad there's nothing but ocean.
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SquireJons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:28 PM
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3. Wow!!!
That last line was a bunker buster.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:36 PM
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8. How Anti-Semetic of you to point that out...
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 09:10 PM
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18. Manipulated? Bush is as evil as they come & intent, in a deranged
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 09:10 PM by Tinoire
fundie kind of way, on seeing certain things mentioned in the book of Revelation take place. But Bush's interests, unlike the sincere fundies he & his ilk are manipulating, are more occult & the intent is to simply unleash end-times evil and destruction.

Bush has got the same Messiah complex Hitler had, is just as mad and a helluva lot more dangerous to the world due to the technology at his disposal and the dire, precarious situation the world is in.

That man is cynically exploiting the beliefs of 50+ million Fundamental Christians whose 'Christian' beliefs were shaped by people like Falwell, Graham, Robertson, LaHaye, and Ralp Reed who have been working hand in hand with this cabal for over 40 years.

Death & destruction as they pursue their greed is all they are interested in bringing to innocent people all over the world & as devil-worshippers- yes, I'll say it right here, I believe they are devil-worshippers whose souls were forked over long ago, they are not being manipulated by anyone. Especially Bush. The man is no idiot- he is intelligent in an animal, cunning sort of way. He does not care if he's caught- Bush is laughing in all our faces as he pursues his mad path. He knows full well we can't stop him- that we won't until things get so bad we take to the streets & even then we won't be able to stop him.

Do you remember the day he landed on the aircraft carrier quoting Isaiah 61? Shiver- he was speaking code to 50+ million Fundies, bt quoting the exact same passage Jesus quoted to announce who he was. ((***)) Bush is now seen as the annointed one. The question they should be asking is "annointed by whom"?

From Bush's speech:

"In the words of the prophet Isaiah, "To the captives, 'come out,' -- and to those in darkness, 'be free.'"

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/iraq/20030501-15.html

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Another mask was donned by Bush on the deck of that aircraft carrier, one whose implications are far more dire and disturbing. Bush was there to tell the world that combat operations in Iraq had ceased. He did not go so far as to declare victory, as such a declaration would have required, under the Geneva Convention, the release of POWs and the withdrawal of American forces. The banner hanging across the control tower -- "Mission Accomplished" -- said all that needed to be said.

In his remarks, Bush closed with a paraphrasing of the Book of Isaiah: "In the words of the prophet Isaiah, 'To the captives, 'come out,' and to those in darkness, 'be free,''"

This was a quotation from Chapter 61 of Isaiah, the very book Jesus Christ used when proclaiming that Isaiah's prophesies of the Messiah had come true. Using this passage from Isaiah, Jesus presented himself as the Son of God in Nazareth. Thus it is told in Luke, Chapter 4, Verses 16-22:

"And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up; and he went to the synagogue, as his custom was, on the sabbath day. And he stood up to read; and there was given to him the book of the prophet Isaiah. He opened the book and found the place where it was written, "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord." And he closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. And he began to say to them, "Today this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.""

Under normal circumstances, we could write this off as a President reaching for hopeful Biblical language to frame a particular argument. This has been done before, by many American leaders in many situations. In this case, taken on the political surface, we could see a President using the Bible to define the latest reason for war in Iraq -- the 'liberation' of the people -- in the conspicuous absence of the oft-repeated reason that started the war -- the presence of mass destruction weapons. A further analysis of George W. Bush himself, however, leads to some serious questions.

The passage of Isaiah referenced by Jesus at Nazareth, and by Bush on the Abraham Lincoln, is part of a larger collection of verses known as the "Servant Songs." The specific verse used by Bush, out of Isaiah 61, is most important; it is widely accepted by both Christian and Jewish scholars as announcing the Messiah. For Christians, the Messiah is Jesus, and so this passage refers specifically to Him and His coming. The fact that Jesus Himself used this passage to announce His presence further confirms this. Bush's reading of this passage suggests the possibility that he believes this coming, for the second time, has arrived.

It has been oft-reported that Bush witnessed the attacks of 9/11 and came to believe that God Himself, and not Scalia and the rest, put him into the Presidency for the sole purpose of pursuing this war against terrorism. It has likewise been oft-reported that Bush is an evangelical Christian of the vigorous Billy Graham stripe. We have witnessed the failure of every rationalization for making war on Iraq -- the WMDs, the terrorist connections -- and are left now with the rhetorical argument that we did the whole thing to 'save' the Iraqi people. Ergo, Bush positioned himself on the deck of that aircraft carrier as a savior.

We are talking about a man who wears masks for the sake of political opportunism, and to survive moments when he has to address himself in the bathroom mirror. Does this newest mask have George W. Bush taking on the mantle of Jesus Christ, Savior and Redeemer?

Here is a man so steeped in self-denial that he can shunt aside his own shameful history in order to pretend he is on the same moral level as the soldiers he abandoned when his time of service came due. Here is a man intent upon making war on as much of the Muslim world as he can put his hands around, while wrapping around himself the image and prophesies of Jesus Christ. What is next? Will we see George W. Bush standing before the American people saying "Today this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing"?

George W. Bush, master of denial. George W. Bush, wearer of masks. George W. Bush, soldier for Christ.

George W. Bush, Christ Himself?

William Rivers Pitt

http://truthout.org/docs_03/050503A.shtml

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Luke 4 (in which Jesus announces he is the Messiah): (emphasis added):

14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee, and His fame went out through all the region round about.
15 And He taught in their synagogues, being glorified by all.
16 And He came to Nazareth where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and stood up to read.
17 And there was delivered unto Him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He hath anointed Me to preach the Gospel to the poor. He hath sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 to preach the acceptable year of the Lord."
20 And He closed the book, and He gave it again to the minister and sat down. And the eyes of all those who were in the synagogue were fastened on Him.
21 And He began to say unto them, "This day is this Scripture fulfilled in your ears."
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x-g.o.p.er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:30 PM
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4. Yes!!
The dam shall soon break

For the good of the republic, ABB in '04!
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:32 PM
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5. I almost thought Onion but its Cnion!
:-0
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:34 PM
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6. Oh, look, the left and right are in complete sympathy.
They both loathe Israel.

Nothing like a bedrock bias to bring people together.
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:37 PM
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9. People who put Israel before America..

should move to Israel.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:17 PM
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16. Can we oppose Sharon's policies without loathing Israel?
I oppose the current foreign policies of the Inited States, but I do not loathe the United States, nor am I anti-American.

I consider myself a patriotic American who wants to change a government that is on a destructive course.

Similarly, there are many Jewish Americans and citizens of Israel who believe that Sharon's policies will never lead to peace and security.

The merits of policies concerning the Israeli/Palestinian conflict need to be openly discussed, but progress on such issues is too often derailed by accusations of prejudice -- even before listening to what someone has to say.
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:26 PM
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19. Of course. We realize that most of the world despises our own government,
but has no particular beef with our populace...can't we legitimately embrace the same position with regard to Israel? To deny it is hypocrisy.
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SquireJons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:38 AM
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20. Yes, it's easy to loath Israel
And yet still admire the Jewish people and faith.

Jews have been an enlightened, and moderate to progressive force in America and Europe for many generations. However, the state of Israel was a bad idea when it was proposed in 1918. After WWII, it became essentially a crusader state set up by victorious war powers, denying basic rights to the people who were already there. This in turn caused the displacement of millions of people and created an entire population of refugees.

Granted, the people of Israel, who were refugees themselves, may not have deserved the first war with Arabs in 1948, but they started or were responsible for all the the rest of the conflicts. First they conspired with England and France in 1956 to invade Egypt during the Suez Canal crisis. Then they started the Six Day War, in which they quadrupled their territory - which btw is the crux of the whole current Middle East crisis. Their (and Kissinger's) belligerence and arrogance caused the Yom Kippur War, and lets not forget Lebanon. In addition, they have systematically repressed millions of Arabs in occupied lands, thumbed their noses at the world opinion, and used tactics that would make the Nazi's admire them. With all the hysteria about terrorism against Israel, they have at least a 3 to 1 kill ratio against Arab civilians. I wonder how things would be if Israel had to retaliate against attacks by Syrian Air Force jets against it's defenseless citizens by sending young girls strapped with explosives on suicide missions?

And to think, they wouldn't last 6 months without American subsidies. Nor would they even exist had it not been for a massive infusion of tanks, jets and cash after they got their butts kicked in the beginning of the Yom Kippur war. Now, ask yourself why America is in the sights of Islamic terrorists. Oh, and don't forget, Zionist Jews started terrorism in the Middle East primarily against the British. The students have become the masters.

I loath Israel, but love most Jews. What a mess.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:05 PM
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21. Solutions are what is needed
No matter how loathsome the state of Israel may be (to some), a solution that involves the dissolution of the state of Israel does not seem very likely or practical.

Debates over who is to blame for this sorry state of affairs are not likely to be productive. I would go so far as to say that justice is unattainable.

The goal that everyone needs to share, IMHO, is peace and security for both the Israelis and Palestinians. By dwelling on the sad history of this land, we lose sight of a future in which this endless violence and tragedy becomes a thing of the past.

There are extremists on both sides who will reject compromise -- Palestinians who will terror-bomb any peace process that recognizes the Jewish state, and Zionists who will never accept anything less than all of the Promised Land.

The peace process must move forward even in the midst of violent attacks by either side, because to demand an armistice before progress is to give veto power to killers who don't want peace.

It won't be easy, but is it impossible?
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SquireJons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 10:28 AM
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22. I couldn't agree more
While I may hold Israel and other mostly non-Arabs responsible for the current crisis, the destruction of Israel or any country is not the solution. There must be a two state solution. But the majority of concessions will have to come from Israel, and I'm not sure that is possible.

Until recently, I was still blaming the PLO for derailing the best chance for peace, before this latest intifada. According to everything I read, Israel had tried really hard, and the PLO just wouldn't say yes. But recently I read that the main Palestinian sticking point was repatriation of property confiscated in 1967. I see the PLO's point, isn't that what we demanded in Bosnia? It's only fair. So Israel must really come clean.

To me, the ironic thing about all this Jewish/Muslim tension is that the Christians in Europe were busy killing, ejecting or forcibly converting the Jews for a thousand years. Where did the Jews go? Into the various Islamic lands where they did very well and did not suffer. The Muslims, historically have been the most tolerant of religions - with major exceptions of course, like the Muslim/Hindu conflicts. I think the Muslims and Jews can be friends again, partly because their religion's are so similar, i.e. the Koran and the Torah share the first 5 books, I think.
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SquireJons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 10:42 AM
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23. My Bad
It's more accurate and far better to say that I loath what the State of Israel's existence has done to the world. But what's done is done on that score. Actually Israel is a well run state, for the most part - Sharon not withstanding. However, I hate religious wars with a passion. They are the most irrational, brutal and hardest to stop. It is so unfortunate that Israel's very existence causes the world so much pain.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:40 PM
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17. Aquart- I know you want peace in Israel and w/ Israel's neighbours
Would you point out to me what so offended you in their statements?
Their statements don't seem anti-Israel to me; they seem pro-peace in the region and very astute about the disastrous path we've embarked upon.

I've only read the main page so far but haven't seen anything offensive in it.

I don't loathe Israel & don't want to see her destroyed. I feel very sorry for her, for ALL the people living there, and for all the people affected by that conflict which should have been fairly resolved long ago. Bush, Sharon and the neo-cons will get Israel destroyed if they keep going like this.



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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:35 PM
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7. This is why we can not write off Republicans ....
There are still some, who put their country's welfare above their political benefactors and party bosses. We must capitalize on that!

I hope we hear more from this group and the series of hearings they are holding.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:39 PM
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10. Paul Findley (R-IL) and Paul N. “Pete” McCloskey (R-CA)
These are some truly powerful statements coming from Republicans.

Does anyone have any background on either of these guys?
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:51 PM
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11. Findley
is from central Illinois. I think he was in congress when I lived in a neighboring district (left there in 1972). The area is very republican-Champaign County voted Republican in 1856 and most every year since then.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:16 PM
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15. Pete McCloskey
Pete McCloskey is what used to be called a liberal Republican. He represented a congressional district on the San Francisco/San Jose peninsula in the 1960s and 1970s. He was an outspoken opponent of the Vietnam War. In 1972, he launched a dissident Presidential campaign, challenging President Nixon in several primaries.
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HighJinx Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:55 PM
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12. Individual speeches - wow
Read the individual speeches. Incredible.


:kick:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:59 PM
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13. I agree entriely -
I believe much of the problem is Israel slipping around spying on the Middle East Arabic countries. Iraqi oil going to Israel is not good.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:02 PM
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14. Read MsCloskey's speech:
Retired Republican Congressman Paul N. "Pete" McCloskey gave a speech in which he articulated the the problems facing us in the Middle East -- especially the Israeli/Palestinian issue -- and offered solutions that are very much at odds with the policies of the current Bush administration.

In my opinion, this is well worth the read:

<snip>
Since taking office in January 2001, the Administration's actions seem to have followed fairly closely the views of a group of American scholars, writers and government advisors who operate under the title, The Project for a New American Century. This group has generally adopted the views of Richard Perle, author of the recent book An End to Evil. I disagree with those views in several respects.

<snip>
The younger Bush has received advice from sound men of long public service, Colin Powell, Paul O'Neill and Norman Mineta to name three of the best. Of the President's advisers on the three problems mentioned previously, however, the record to date would indicate that by far the most effective has been Richard Perle, the former Chairman of the Defense Department's Defense Policy Board, and influential member of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA).

<snip>
There is another position of President Bush that I believe deserves re-examination. This is the emphasis he has placed on his Christian beliefs and his search for support from Christian fundamentalists who oppose the creation of the Palestinian state envisioned in U.S. Resolution 242, the cornerstone of every President's policy since 1967, and particularly the policy of his father.

<snip>
The fundamental Christians who believe there should be no Palestinian State are one; the fundamentalist Jews who read the Bible to mean they own the Palestinian territories as a matter of God-given right are the other. In both cases this only-too-apparent alliance serves to fuel the anger of our fundamentalist Islamic enemies and to help them attract young Muslims to make war on our occupying forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Read the entire speech
http://www.cnionline.org/resources/articles/mccloskeyrefocus.html
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