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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 07:30 AM
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Why Can't the U.S. Have the Debate about Naomi Klein's Book That Europe Has?
from AlterNet:


Why Can't the U.S. Have the Debate about Naomi Klein's Book That Europe Has?

By Jan Frel, AlterNet. Posted September 21, 2007.


In Europe and Canada debate is raging about Naomi Klein's new book on disaster capitalism, The Shock Doctrine. This interview with Klein considers why U.S. public debate is unable to ask fundamental questions about our economic system.



Naomi Klein's new book, The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism, tells the history of how the American version of "free market" capitalism has spread in moments of crisis and catastrophe, when societies are too traumatized and disoriented to challenge the introduction of radical economic policies that go against their own interests.

The Shock Doctrine has already been published and translated in several countries. Excerpts from Klein's book were published in the British newspaper, The Guardian, and discussion about the book has raged onThe Guardian's online site, Comment Is Free as well as in the German, French and Canadian press. I attended Klein's U.S. book launch event at the New York Society for Ethical Culture on September 17 where she described her work and her experiences dealing with a foreign press frequently hostile to her arguments.

At least the foreign press is willing to tangle with writers who offer critiques the capitalist system. There is plenty of economic coverage in the U.S., but fundamental questions on issues such as whether privatization of public assets benefits the public and if the focus on short-term economic growth is harmful in the long run are simply not discussed. I wondered how Klein's book, which has hit the best-seller lists all over Europe, would fare in the U.S. and what Klein's expectations were for the U.S. audience. I spoke with her on the phone about this and the issues she raises in The Shock Doctrine on September 19.

Jan Frel: Your book has 70 pages of footnotes and has citations from over 1,000 sources. At the book launch in New York, you referred to this as your "body armor." The thinking seems to be that if you can back up what you're saying, then it has to be accepted. Is this what will give it legitimacy in the mainstream media?

Naomi Klein: It's more for the debate about my work. In the attempts to dismiss my work as conspiracies theories, the footnotes help.

Frel: It's often times the case that books that make powerful and damning claims with complete accuracy still don't break into public debate or hit the audience that ought to confront them. Isn't there something else that prevents radical interpretations of society and economics and buried history from reaching public debate?

Klein: I think that's true -- it's certainly true in this country. I wasn't talking about the problem my book would have getting into the mainstream, it's more about the debates around it. My books do get into the mainstream -- outside the US. That doesn't mean they aren't contested, but in Canada for example, The Shock Doctrine is already at #3 on Amazon.

Another book I did, No Logo was a mainstream book, in most of the countries where it was published, except for the US. In the U.S. it never was. The context I talked about the need for support for my arguments is in cases where my book is being debated and argued. So in the U.S., I totally agree that having solid footnotes are no guarantee that you can start a mainstream debate. I don't have any confidence that this book will be in the mainstream debate in the United States. .....(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/workplace/63178/


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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 07:57 AM
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1. The MSM wouldn't touch this with a 20 foot pole
After all -- they are one of the prime users of SHOCK, for ratings and revenue. I doubt seriously if Viacom is ready to shoot it's *money pig* in the head.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:20 PM
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10. Our Conservative Corporate Controlled Press covers the real stuff
Yep, like the Phil Spector trial, Britney, Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, Nicole Ritchie and all the Hollywood stuff that they believe ¢hri$tian America wants to hear!

CCCP, doesn't that sound familiar?
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Red Zelda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 07:58 AM
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2. Here? In Dumbfuckistan?
The U.S. is far too stupid to debate such topics. Gotta go put on soldier outfits and run to the mall. Gotta go lick the church and watch the ballgame and drive fast and stroke the flag.
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:13 PM
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5. Well, I was just asked if I was planning to read the book
by a nurse from the VNA, earlier today.

Just as the mass media in the US don't cover the real issues, they don't cover the way Americans, nonetheless, learn of and to some degree or another begin to comprehend the real issues.

Americans are pissed (75% or so, to be precise, which would cover pretty much the "average American"), and while I'm sure the details of the book are useful and informative, and it would be great if Americans heard of this and other books that would give them a fuller understanding of the issues, no one needs to tell the average American that the rich are taking advantage of every opportunity to screw both themselves and other people around the world.

What Americans need now, frankly, is to know what to do about all of this. We need the equivalent of "Buddhist Monks" to lead the way. Frankly the protests of the usual left groups, like ANSWER, will never succeed at moving America (unless "moved to disgust" counts). I wonder if we will find our leadership among labor groups, like the auto worker, or whether it's the fed-up netroots who will step out from behind our keyboards and take the actions that focus the collective anger of Americans to create a solution. Perhaps it will even be the rank-and-file military who can't take it anymore and who decide to fight for what it was they actually took an oath to, rather than for an extralegal empire.

A few months ago I was holding out hope that the new Democratic Congress would understand the politically volatile state of this nation and take steps necessary to resolve the crisis. The Move On crap drove the final stake into that hope. Now, I'm just hoping for the least disruptive, most peaceful, political revolution possible (assuming a revolution to restore the Constitution can in fact be called "revolution").
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:07 PM
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7. I share your hope for peaceful change, but fear it is now beyond that point.


Historically, whenever a society's wealth becomes so unbalanced as it is now here, the have nots turn on the haves. It is seldom peaceful and usually quite bloody. Ask the French and Russians. In Russia the military was tasked to fire on the rioters and refused, becoming part of the revolutionaries. I have the feeling that that's what would happen here.

Also, we have no equivalent of Dr Guillotine's favorite daughter, the National Razor. Please understand that I do not in any way advocate violence. I'm just trying to wake up the "Have too muches" that it would be in their survival interests to start to share some of the wealth with the rest of us. Greed is not good, it just makes the rest of the population jealous. And jealousy spurs action.
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:25 PM
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6. Are we really?
Or are we so encouraged NOT to think about such things? Honestly, I'm not sure.

Regardless, I adore your new name for the country and will be using it...

Gotta go catch some NASCAR.
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 07:58 AM
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3. Good post. It is interesting to watch what is going on in New
Orleans, post-Katrina.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 08:21 AM
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4. That's for posting this! MUST READ! K&R!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:25 PM
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8. The corporate media would NEVER allow it
Honest analysis is anathema to them.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:23 PM
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9. It's excerpted in the current issue of Harper's
although that's not exactly a mass-market magazine.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:39 AM
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11. this is why I DVR Amy Goodman's Democracy Now! every day
she's had Ms Klein on twice in the last week (once to debate Alan Greenspan)
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