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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 01:28 PM
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"Reagan & the Salvadoran Baby Skulls" by Robert Parry
For a few years I've been among several DUers that have consistently spoken about a culture of death shared by many of the policy makers, influential individuals and networks in the extreme RW of this criminal administration.

There has been much theorizing as to why we are witnessing whatever this nation of ours once meant and represented being destroyed before our eyes, and nothing seems to be able to effectively prevent all the evil going on.

That culture of death, we all need to discuss that-openly and honestly.

Robert Parry does a much better job of giving examples of this in this article. This culture of death is the first E in the BFEE-it is truly evil, it is the realm of the shadow government and HOMELAND(tm).

Here is a link to Robert Parry's article.

"Reagan & the Salvadoran Baby Skulls" 1-30-07
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/012907.html

Fair use cited.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 01:36 PM
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1. Dems refusing to pursue serious investigations time and time again need to be exposed, too.
Time and time again, they side with the Bushes over the constitution and the citizens of this country. Hamilton, Clinton, Robb, Lieberman - leaders of the Coverup wing of the Democratic Party.

>>>>
Yet, the U.S. officials who supplied the guns, helicopters, advanced technology and political cover have never been called to account. Some, like former State Department official Elliott Abrams, have moved on to oversee the bloody chaos in Iraq.

After leaving office, Reagan was showered with honors, including having dozens of government sites named for him, including National Airport in Washington.

Criticism also should fall on President Bill Clinton, who came into office after the end of the Cold War but rejected suggestions that he authorize an American truth commission to investigate U.S. complicity in the era’s crimes and separate fact from fiction, as was done in Argentina, South Africa and other countries.

Only late in his eight-year presidency did Clinton agree to declassify documents for use by a Guatemalan truth commission examining three decades of political violence that had torn that Central American country apart and claimed some 200,000 lives.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 01:38 PM
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2. Everyone in the Reagas admin will surely burn in hell, if there
truly is a hell. And this is why I don't like Billy Clinton. He put the halt to all the investigations into shit like this.

Anyone who defends that senile son of a bitch Reagan hasn't got clue one.

<snip>

Rural women suspected of guerrilla sympathies were raped before execution, Kass said. Children were "thrown into burning homes. They are thrown in the air and speared with bayonets. We heard many, many stories of children being picked up by the ankles and swung against poles so their heads are destroyed."
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 02:15 PM
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3. But the terrorists hate us for our freedoms!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:48 PM
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4. A culture of death must have "enemies", that provides "work" for the "death squads".
The "enemies" must be put on "watch lists" and other "lists" as well.

Here's a bit of history about how the US culture of death operated in the past. It's worse now-privatized, calling itself HOMELAND(tm) and it's policy makers Vulcans or other symbolic evil names.

"CIA Support of Death Squads"
by Ralph McGehee
http://www.serendipity.li/cia/death_squads.htm
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 02:29 PM
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5. The visual...

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 08:58 PM
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6.  Elliott Abrams: It's Back! (The Nation / 2001)
posted June 14, 2001 (July 2, 2001 issue)

... One Abrams specialty was massacre denial. During a Nightline appearance in 1985, he was asked about reports that the US-funded Salvadoran military had slaughtered civilians at two sites the previous summer. Abrams maintained that no such events had occurred. And had the US Embassy and the State Department conducted an investigation? "My memory," he said, "is that we did, but I don't want to swear to it, because I'd have to go back and look at the cables." But there had been no State Department inquiry; Abrams, in his lawyerly fashion, was being disingenuous. Three years earlier, when two American journalists reported that an elite, US-trained military unit had massacred hundreds of villagers in El Mozote, Abrams told Congress that the story was commie propaganda, as he fought for more US aid to El Salvador's military. The massacre, as has since been confirmed, was real. And in 1993 after a UN truth commission, which examined 22,000 atrocities that occurred during the twelve-year civil war in El Salvador, attributed 85 percent of the abuses to the Reagan-assisted right-wing military and its death-squad allies, Abrams declared, "The Administration's record on El Salvador is one of fabulous achievement." Tell that to the survivors of El Mozote.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010702/corn
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:09 PM
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7. Our foreign policy consists largely of propaganda & death squads.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 12:52 AM
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8. I listened to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing today
I listened to Henry Kissinger. Now I feel like posting a few links.

Pol Pot and Kissinger
by Edward S. Herman
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kissinger/PolPotKissinger_Herman.html

John K. Singlaub
from spartacus.schoolnet
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKsinglaub.htm

Our Man Diem
by Seth Jacobs
http://www.bc.edu/publications/bcm/spring_2005/features.html

The Kissinger State Department Telcons
from The National Security Archive
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB135/index.htm

Kissinger Associates, BNL and Iraq
read into The Congressional Record by Henry Gonzales
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/congress/1991/h910502g.htm

BCCI and Kissinger Associates
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/20kiss.htm

The October Surprise Mystery Archive
by Robert Parry
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html

Ecuador as banana republic: bloody part two
by Jerry Mazza
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1699.shtml



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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 12:30 PM
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9. k
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MarinCoUSA Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 01:51 PM
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10. And the cherubs of El Mazote delivered Reagan's soul to Hell
n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 01:56 AM
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11. So glad you started this thread. I'm going to read every post and link Saturday.
It's damned hard for anyone to argue about something like this. I don't expect to see any trolls on this one!

There's such important material to learn in the links I've scanned already. So important.

Thank you so much.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 11:33 AM
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12. I thank you for your many contributions to the truth over the years, Judi _Lynn.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:45 PM
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15. That's the thing here, some of us get targeted for posting inconvenient truths like
the ones that are in this thread.

We are told WE are the trolls, or that WE are the bad Democrats. We get told we are posting lies and smears whenever these crimes of BushInc end up touching other Dem leaders.

I am grateful that you noticed there is important information to learn here. I would guess that the OP feels the same way.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 12:17 PM
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13. These are the same people still in our government torturing
with glee again. Wouldn't Reagan be energized by his team's continued abuse of human rights? Did any of the Mayans survive?
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 04:02 PM
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14. Robert Parry is a phenomenal writer...his stuff on the October Surprise are scary
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 05:23 PM
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16. Article on the El Mozote massacre in 1981, mentioned in the original article:
If Colonel Domingo Monterossa had read more classical mythology, he might be alive today. In that case he would, or should, face trial for one of the most atrocious war crimes of the 20th century. But instead Monterrosa himself has been mythologized--both by the armed forces of El Salvador and by their enemies and victims, the FMLN guerrillas and the people of Morazan province.

Lt. Colonel José Domingo Monterossa Barrios, perhaps more clearly than most of us, showed the world two faces. One was that of the good soldier, risen to command from humble beginnings, skilled and brave in combat, beloved by the men he led. Born in 1940 in the town of Berlin, Usulután Department, Monterrosa graduated from El Salvador's military academy in 1963 and was appointed second lieutenant that same year. A laudatory page on the web site of the Salvadoran Armed Forces says that he was one of the first commanders of the Parachute Battalion, that he fought with distinction in the 1969 "soccer war" with Honduras, and that he was alway accompanied by his German Shepherd dog "Hurricane" until the dog died in a training accident when his parachute failed to open. Among other special courses, he attended the U.S. Army's "School of the Americas" in 1966. More importantly, the Armed Forces' tribute says that Monterrosa was "an officer who was always at the side of his troops, human, friendly, sharing their hardships. He always maintained high morale in his units and enjoyed the respect and confidence of his companions in arms and his superiors." The brief biography adds that Colonel Monterrosa was the first commander of the "rapid response battalion" ATLACATL, an elite unit created, trained and equipped by the United States in 1980. Later he became commanding officer of the Third Infantry Brigade of San Miguel, the position he held "at the moment of the tragedy" in 1984. On the same web page you can listen to "The Ballad of Domingo Monterrosa" celebrating his "heroism" and service to the fatherland.

The name "El Mozote," once a village in Morazan department in northeast El Salvador, does not appear on the Army's web site. It was there that this good soldier, so admired by his men and well liked by the U.S. military advisors, in command of the Atlacatl battalion, wrote his page in the annals of world atrocity. That story should not be forgotten.

In El Mozote and neighboring small villages, between December 10 and 13, 1981, the men of the Atlacatl murdered in cold blood at least one thousand men, women and children. There was no combat there; these civilians were not even guerrilla sympathizers. Most of them were Protestants, politically conservative and supporters of the government, who believed they had good relations with the Salvadoran military. For that reason they had ignored warnings from the FMLN that they should evacuate their homes before the coming army sweep through the area. Some people even arrived in El Mozote from other towns, thinking that they would find a safe haven there until the fighting was past.

The murders were carried out deliberately. First, men were tortured for information that they did not have, and then killed. Most of the women were repeatedly raped before being murdered. Hundreds of children came last. A little boy who escaped saw his two year old brother hung from a tree by a soldier. A survivor--from El Mozote itself there was only one--heard some soldiers saying that they didn't want to kill the children; their lieutenant told them they themselves would be shot if they didn't obey orders. This woman, whose name is Rufina Amaya Marquez, lost her husband and four children in the massacre. While hiding to save her life, she heard her own children among many others screaming for help as they were butchered. Finally, all the buildings of the town were burned, and with them the bodies of hundreds of victims wounded and dead.1

The troops were not out of control. Their commanders, including Col. Monterrosa, were present during the operation, which was done at their orders. Why? There is only one answer: it was terrorosm. If even people such as these, whom the army knew did not support the guerrillas, were slaughtered, what must happen to villagers who did help the FMLN? Years later reporter James LeMoyne heard as unguarded answer from Monterrosa himself. "Yeah, we did it," he said. "We killed everyone. In those days I thought that was what we had to do to win the war. And I was wrong."2
(snip/...)

http://www.math.dartmouth.edu/~lamperti/Trojan_Horse.html

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OSI Forum: A Turning Point in Human Rights
The 1981 Massacre at El Mozote

In December 1981, Salvadoran soldiers trained in counterinsurgency tactics by U.S. military advisors carried out anti-guerrilla operations in the province of Morazon in northeastern El Salvador. On December 10, they entered the village of El Mozote. Although the army did not regard El Mozote as a town that harbored or was sympathetic toward the guerillas, the troops rounded up men, women, and children from El Mozote and several nearby villages over the next four days—and then tortured and executed them. A UN Truth Commission, established in 1992 after a peace agreement ended the civil war, concluded that at least 500 civilians were killed at El Mozote. Judicial investigations into the massacre started in 1990 have yet to result in any prosecutions. The investigations have been marked by interference from the armed forces and the president of El Salvador's Supreme Court.

Despite lack of progress in prosecuting those responsible for the massacre, human rights advocates consider El Mozote a turning point for the human rights movement because it marked the first time that an investigative approach was used to document abuses. (Previous efforts had relied largely on individual testimony.) In addition, the massacre prompted the first-ever use of the Geneva Conventions for assessing human rights abuse in Central America, and the reporting and investigations that followed El Mozote helped focus debate on U.S. responsibility for massive human rights abuses through its continued support for El Salvador's military. Currently, human rights advocates in El Salvador have been challenging the country's 1993 amnesty law and examining recent Supreme Court rulings for opportunities to prosecute those responsible for the massacre at El Mozote.



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~snip~
Remembering El Salvador

During 1980 through 1992, El Salvador experienced a traumatic civil war that emerged from social injustices committed against the people and dissatisfaction with the government in place. Due to the level of the violence in the country targeted at the masses by the government, different leftist guerilla groups began to form in the years preceding the war. When Enrique Alvarez, one of the guerillas groups’ leaders, was killed in November 1980 by a right wing death squad, the different guerilla groups began to join together and became known as the Farabundo Marti National Liberation Front, FMLN, in January 1981. The FMLN believed that the violent actions of the government demanded a violent response and began their offensive. In the years that would follow, over 75,000 people would be massacred by the governments’ paramilitary death squads and over a million would become refugees.
A community that experienced these atrocities first hand, located in the department of Cuscatlan, is Copapayo. During the time preceding the attack, the community was always preparing for when the death squads would arrive. They would carry the little food they had and the clothes on their back whenever they heard that the death squads would arrive, often leaving without a moments notice. In November 1983, the community heard word from the FMLN that the death squads, led by Atlacatl Battalion Colonel Domingo Monterossa, were approaching. On November 1st and 2nd, the community members fled across the lake to the mountains, as they had done many times before On the second day, some members traveled by boat to the community to investigate and see if the soldiers had left. When they came back, the informed the rest of the community that they were not 100% sure if the death squads had retreated because they only were able to look around the community and did not go to the top of the hills to see if the death squads were still there. The next morning, the community members decided to return and travel back in small groups. They decided that they would stop at a destination point and reach the community through the back entrance. As they were traveling, some of the community members became separated which resulted in the death squads spotting them and rushing down the hill shooting. As the bullets began flying by, the people started to rush towards the river. Many were shot down along the way and those that reached the river and could not swim fast enough or hide in the algae to escape were shot in the water and drowned. After two days of continuous shootings, the death squads took control of the area and rounded up the remaining survivors they could find in a nearby community. The death squads killed all the men, brutally raped and tortured the young women with all sorts of objects, and shot the older women and children, few that survived thanks to their mothers bodies protecting them from the bullets. In the two days that the massacre occurred, 150 people died at the hands of the death squads.
(snip/...)

http://students.depaul.edu/~cmarti23/Articles.html

Thumbnail photos to click for images of El Mozote:
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2004-37%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=El+Mozote&btnG=Search



Citizens moving the remains of their loved ones for reburial.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 12:41 AM
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17. SOA original instructors included Nazis that "taught" torture
Torture's Teachers by A.J.Langguth
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/langguthleaf.html

Return of Bolivia's Drug Stained Dictator by Jerry Meldon
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/story40.html









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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 03:58 PM
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18. So much more should be common knowledge about Nixon's torturer, Dan Mitrione
Many of us have all lived in such blissful ignorance so long.... I was astonished when I first heard of this man, although the rest of the world apparently knew about him a long time ago.

For one thing, a Costa-Gavras film about him, made in the early 1970's was suppressed to the point very few people have ever heard of it. (I just saw it's available from Amazon, for the moment, at least.) The very fact he was an official torturer for the United States has been well concealed until the last few years.

Here's a good additional look at this monster:
"The precise pain, in the precise place, in the precise amount, for the desired effect.''

The words of an instructor in the art of torture. The words of Dan Mitrione, the head of the Office of Public Safety (OPS) mission in Montevideo.

Officially, OPS was a division of the Agency for International Development, but the director of OPS in Washington, Byron Engle, was an old CIA hand. His organization maintained a close working relationship with the CIA, and Agency officers often operated abroad under OPS cover, although Mitrione was not one of them.

OPS had been operating formally in Uruguay since 1965, supplying the police with the equipment, the arms, and the training it was created to do. Four years later, when Mitrione arrived, the Uruguayans had a special need for OPS services. The country was in the midst of a long-running economic decline, its once-heralded prosperity and democracy sinking fast toward the level of its South American neighbors. Labor strikes, student demonstrations, and militant street violence had become normal events during the past year, and, most worrisome to the Uruguayan authorities, there were the revolutionaries who called themselves Tupamaros. Perhaps the cleverest, most resourceful and most sophisticated urban guerrillas the world has ever seen, the Tupamaros had a deft touch for capturing the public's imagination with outrageous actions, and winning sympathizers with their Robin Hood philosophy. Their members and secret partisans held key positions in the government, banks, universities, and the professions, as well as in the military and police.

"Unlike other Latin-American guerrilla groups," the New York Times stated in 1970 "the Tupamaros normally avoid bloodshed when possible. They try instead to create embarrassment for the Government and general disorder." A favorite tactic was to raid the files of a private corporation to expose corruption and deceit in high places, or kidnap a prominent figure and try him before a "People's Court". It was heady stuff to choose a public villain whose acts went uncensored by the legislature, the courts and the press, subject him to an informed and uncompromising interrogation, and then publicize the results of the intriguing dialogue. Once they ransacked an exclusive high-class nightclub and scrawled the walls perhaps their most memorable slogan: "O Bailan Todos O No Baila Nadie -- Either everyone dances or no one dances."

Dan Mitrione did not introduce the practice of torturing political prisoners to Uruguay It had been perpetrated by the police at times from at least the early 1960s. However, in surprising interview given to a leading Brazilian newspaper in 1970, the former Uruguayan Chief of Police Intelligence, Alejandro Otero, declared that US advisers, and in particular Mitrione, had instituted torture as a more routine measure; to the means of inflicting pain they had added scientific refinement; and to that a psychology to create despair, such as playing a tape in the next room of women and children screaming and telling the prisoners that it was his family being tortured.
(snip)

Back in Mitrione's home town of Richmond, Indiana, Secretary of State William Rogers and President Nixon's son-in-law David Eisenhower attended the funeral for Mitrione, the city's former police chief. Frank Sinatra and Jerry Lewis came to town to stage a benefit show for Mitrione's family.
And White House spokesman, Ron Ziegler, solemnly stated that "Mr. Mitrione's devoted service to the cause of peaceful progress in an orderly world will remain as an example for free men everywhere.''

"A perfect man," his widow said.

"A great humanitarian," said his daughter Linda.
(snip/...)
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/Uruguay_KH.html

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From Wikipedia:
Dan Mitrione Sr. was a police officer in Richmond, Indiana from 1945 to 1947 and joined the FBI in 1959. In 1960 he was assigned to State Department's International Cooperation Administration, going to South American countries to teach "advanced counterinsurgency techniques." There he started his unofficial career of torture expert. A.J. Langguth, a former New York Times bureau chief in Saigon, related that Mitrione was among the US advisers teaching Brazilian police how much electric shock to apply to prisoners without killing them <1>. A. J. Langguth also tells how older police officers were replaced "when the CIA and the U.S. police advisers had turned to harsher measures and sterner men." <2> He also describes that under the new head of the U.S. Public Safety program in Uruguay, Dan Mitrione, the United States "introduced a system of nationwide identification cards, like those in Brazil… torture had become routine at the Montevideo jefatura." <3>

From 1960 to 1967 he worked with the Brazilian police, during a time in which political opponents were systematically tortured, imprisoned without trial and killed. He returned to the US in 1967 to share his experiences and expertise on "counterguerilla warfare" at the Agency for International Development (AID), in Washington D.C.. In 1969, Mitrione moved to Uruguay, again under the AID, to oversee the Office of Public Safety.

In this period the Uruguayan government, lead by the conservative Colorado Party, had its hands full with a collapsing economy, labor and student strikes, and the Tupamaros, a left-wing urban guerilla group. On the other hand, Washington feared a possible victory during the elections of the Frente Amplio, a left-wing coalition, on the model of the victory of the Unidad Popular government in Chile, led by Salvador Allende, in 1970 <4>. The OPS had been helping the local police since 1965, providing them with weapons and training. It is assessed that torture was already practiced since the 60s, but Dan Mitrione is reportedly the man who made it routine <5>. He is quoted as having said once: "The precise pain, in the precise place, in the precise amount, for the desired effect." <6>. He also helped train foreign police agents in the United States in the context of the Cold War. In his torture teaching experiments he used homeless wanderers <7>

As the use of torture grew and the tensions in Uruguay escalated, the Tupamaros kidnapped Mitrione on July 31, 1970. They proceeded to interrogate him about his past and the illegal intervention of U.S. government in Latin American affairs. Besides, they demanded the release of 150 political prisoners. The Uruguayan government, with US backing, refused, and Mitrione was later found dead in a car, with two shots in the head and no signs of any maltreatment (in fact, during the kidnapping, Mitrione had been shot in one shoulder and healed afterwards in the "Cárcel del Pueblo", "People's Prison").
(snip/...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Mitrione

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I also stumbled across something strange today, looking for reference to Dan Mitrione: He was the police chief in the hometown of James Jones, the "Jonestown" leader of the people who killed themselves at his suggestion.

They knew each other in Indiana, and they met up again, repeatedly, in South America, I think Brazil, where Mitrione went first. I need to find out more about this when time allows. It's very odd.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:59 PM
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19. Another "coincidence" worth researching. n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:17 PM
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20. Information I've never seen on Jonestown, called a "massacre" in this article.....
Only had time to scan the first article which popped up in a search on "Jim Jones" and "Dan Mitrione," but already it looks like it's well worth reading. I'll check back later to finish the article and get another one. This is really very interesting:
"The Secret Life of Jim Jones: A Parapolitical Fugue" by Jim Hougan


What follows is an interim report about Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple. In so far as it has a central thesis, it is that the "mass-suicide" that took place at Jonestown in 1978 was, in reality, a massacre. It seems to me that this much can be proven by reference to the medical evidence---particularly the evidence collected by the Guyanese pathologist, Dr. Leslie Mootoo.

The importance of this conclusion should be obvious. To suggest that hundreds of members of the Peoples Temple murdered their children and killed themselves is, in this writer's view, a blood libel on those who died there. Indeed, it seems comparable to contending that because Jews worked in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany, and walked to their deaths in gas-chambers, they, too, committed "suicide."

A second argument put forward in these pages is that Jones instigated the massacre because he feared that Congressman Leo Ryan's investigation would disgrace him. Specifically, Jones appears to have been terrified that Ryan and the press would uncover information that the leftist founder of the Peoples Temple was for many years a witting stooge, or agent, of the FBI and the CIA. This concern was, I believe, mirrored in various precincts of the U.S. intelligence community, where it was feared that Ryan's investigation would embarrass the CIA by linking Jones to some of the Agency's most volatile programs and operations.

This may be why the cult-leader's 201-file was purged by the CIA immediately after Jones's friend, and suspected case-officer, Dan Mitrione, died. <1> And it may also be why Congressman Ryan's contingent was escorted to Jonestown by the CIA's undercover chief-of-station in Guyana, Richard Dwyer. <2>
(snip/...)
http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/AboutJonestown/Articles/hougan-lobster.htm




Time to declassify?

Over the years, there have been rumors of CIA involvement. Some people
believe CIA agents were posing as members of the Peoples Temple cult to
gather information; others suggest the agency was conducting a mind-control
experiment.

In 1980, the House Select Committee on Intelligence determined that the
CIA had no advance knowledge of the mass murder-suicide. The year
before, the House Foreign Affairs Committee had concluded that cult leader
Jim Jones "suffered extreme paranoia."

The committee -- now known as international relations -- released a
782-page report, but kept more than 5,000 other pages secret.

Without those documents, it's hard to confirm or refute the speculations that
have sprung up around Jonestown, said Melton.

George Berdes, chief consultant to the committee at the time of the
investigation, told the San Francisco Chronicle the papers were classified to
assure sources' confidentiality, but he thinks it is time to declassify them.

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/jonestown.htm

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:10 AM
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21. much like today, this information was being circulated in the 80's
by many of the counter-culture 'zines'.

The, just as know, those of us who spoke of it were called 'conspiracy theorists' and prompty dismissed.

It's funny how all of us 'whackos' turn out to be correct much of the time.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 08:04 PM
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22. An important point and I couldn't agree more, ixion. n/t
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