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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:34 AM
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The politics of sexually repressed men

Never in the history of our country has American politics been so dominated by sexually repressed men.

Probably it has to do with that weird fascist thing where anal retentives are so obsessed with goose stepping to glory that they never find time for bounteous human sexuality.

And this isn't just being flip. There's something deadly about a government without humor or sex -- and there’s about as many laughs in the Bush White House as the back ward of a mental hospital.

Remember how the pugs went berserk about Bill Clinton's extra curricular activities? They spent literally hundreds of millions of dollars trying to impeach him for his private sex life (which should have stayed private!). Granted, the impact on his family was reprehensible, but we suddenly found ourselves in a Republican/Pharisee version of the Holy (?) Inquisition.

From almost day one of the George W. Bush years, the Dionysian take on human existence has been banished into another galaxy. Unfortunately, it hasn't been replaced with the alternative Apollonian view of the world, which at least would be nurturing of science and civilization.

Republicans, to say it straight out, simply seem to be terrified of sex. Bush's buddy Christian fundamentalists inevitably conjure up visions of Salem Witch Trials. And predictably, the recent abusive man/boy antics of Republican congressmen demonstrate that sexual repression is always neurotically acted out.

Which brings to mind another matter. A righteous hatred (or fear) of sexuality has historically been associated with a contempt for women. Patriarchal religions are always filled with warnings about the "Goddess" and "nature religions". The very word "pagan" means country dweller. Does this have anything to do with why Republicans are always raping Mother Nature?

And take this wacko Armageddon business (the Baptist Big Bang). Will someone please tell me why these people are so eager to get "blown up"? Surely it has something to do with their hatred of anything physical. Well, sexual abandon is about as "physical" as it gets, so it must be evil incarnate. Right?

Sigh!

In a way this all full circles around to Freud's notions of Eros and Thanatos (death), and there's certainly no doubt that the pugs have put all their money on Thanatos.

In fact, they can't even wait for Armageddon, so they keep starting preemptive wars as fast as they can. Hey, wars/death/Thanatos -- doesn't that beat an active sex life all over the place?

Sure, some of this is fun talk, but most of it is life and death serious, because a neurotic political/religious world view that hates and fears sex is a one way ticket to national castration.

But why even bother to talk about this when all we have to do is take a long hard look at our President and Vice President? And throw in Karl Rove while you’re at it.

See any sexual life forms?

Case closed.
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wcproteus



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rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:41 AM
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1. Scared, Scared, Scared
Why d'ya think they freaked at Big Bill's cavorting? 'Cause he was GETTING SOME! dUH!

When it's "Lie at attention, Wife of mine!" at home once a month, sitting back behind that desk in the Oval with a face in his lap seemed like WAY TOO MUCH FUN TO BE LEGAL.
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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:47 AM
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2. sexually repressed, or that is where karma takes the situation?
Edited on Fri Jan-05-07 12:48 AM by smtpgirl
Men aren't sexually repressed or depressed, just crooks.

Why do men analyze themselves? Guilt or projection?

I am a woman and have fought for my due, just think 10 years ago, a woman Network Admin., wouldn't happen.

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:52 AM
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3. I still want to sue Ken Starr and the rest of them for harassment
I cannot tell you how many times some wingnut co-worker tried to corner me into an uncomfortable and inappropriate conversation about sex, having been given a perfect entree to it because suddenly a blowjob was National News. I believe there are a lot of women who were forced to go through similarly icky situations because of those freaks and their twin obsessions with what people do with their private parts and getting Clinton for something.

Maybe we have a class action thing here. I'm serious about that.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:58 AM
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4. Wilhelm Reich called this one.
Read The Mass Psychology of Fascism if you haven't already. A sexually repressed populace is way more easy to control. Especially if you manage to convince men that the worst thing that can happen to them is to be "effeminate" in some way (this is why homophobia and misogyny are so closely connected--where you find one, there's usually the other) and the only way to real "manliness" is war and violence and the authoritarianism that comes with that.

It's really related to that brilliant but sadly too-little-thought-about '04 slogan, "Vote your hopes, not your fears." Ultimately, eroticism is about hope and desire and connection. But fear is what makes people willing to stereotype others and eventually, kill them for very little reason.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 09:25 AM
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13. I will add that book...
to my reading list. This admin and their sexual antics (which for some reason don't get the media coverage that the Big Dawg got)border on down right creepy. Abu Grahib photos had a homo erotic S&M quality to them. And what about those weird books some of their 'leaders' write-bestiality, child porn, etc. If Clinton had a Gannon moment-he'd have gotten more press than Brittney and been impeached for sure. I have thought about this for some time and it does remind me of the debauchery and the dark side that I heard occurred with the Reich. I think your recommended book will give further insite into the way this repression leads to control.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 10:51 AM
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15. I read it recently...highly recommended work
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Pierre.Suave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:03 AM
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5. I wrote a paper in college
Edited on Fri Jan-05-07 01:05 AM by jasonc
titled, "Republicans Have Small Penises"

and I truly believe their behavior has a lot to do with that.

After all, I have personal experience at the other end of the ah..spectrum, and I aint trying to kill any Iraqis...

:evilgrin:

but seriously, there are very deep seated psychological issues here that manifest themselves in their obsession with controlling women, and sex, and I think it stems from feelings of inadequacy.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:08 AM
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6. I put up with this crap decades ago
I was working at the courthouse and an assistant District Attorney cornered me after work one day, we were working on a jury charge, and he committed indecent exposure at me. Proud of it like a three year old.I was scared to death.

I should have gone to the elected D.A. but I didn't. Back then we didn't have terms like "sexual harassment". We called it "stupid stuff men do to women". Kinda like date rape.

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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:11 AM
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7. wha .......?
and i'm the only one with enuff gonads to rec this thread?


tsk.
dp
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:29 AM
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10. I kick it
And already reccomended it..
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:15 AM
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8. Actually
Edited on Fri Jan-05-07 01:17 AM by undergroundpanther
There are alot of laughs in the back wards of mental hospitals. And sex happens there too, they have to avoid the controlling eyes of the staff, but you'd be surprised how accepting and different from those on the outside people on the inside are.
I mean think , I heard about the holy spirit fucking the whore of babylon, LITERALLY, Only in the mental hospital is where you see people dare embody archetypes far more fully than people on the outside would DARE try...*smile*
Wisdom is crazy and it is liberating, but our culture fears difference and wisdom outside the box ,it is NOT just the repressed neocons who fear it.The neocons fear it the worst that's all. They fear it so much they act out in brutality to hate it and deny it. There is no denying it anymore when you are on the inside.

Day after day
They send my friends away
To mansions cold and grey
To the far side of town
Where the thin men stalk the streets
While the sane stay underground

Day after day
They tell me I can go
They tell me I can blow
To the far side of town
Where its pointless to be high
cause its such a long way down

So I tell them that
I can fly, I will scream, I will break my arm
I will do me harm
Here I stand, foot in hand, talking to my wall
I'm not quite right at all...am i?

Don't set me free, I'm as heavy as can be
Just my librium and me
And my e.s.t. makes three

cause I'd rather stay here
With all the madmen
Than perish with the sad men roaming free
And Id rather play here
With all the madmen
For I'm quite content they're all as sane
As me

(where can the horizon lie
When a nation hides
Its organic minds
In a cellar...dark and grim
They must be very dim)

Day after day
They take some brain away
Then turn my face around
To the far side of town
And tell me that its real
Then ask me how I feel

Here I stand, foot in hand, talking to my wall
I'm not quite right at all

Don't set me free, I'm as helpless as can be
My libidos split on me
Gimme some good ole lobotomy

cause I'd rather stay here
With all the madmen
Than perish with the sad men
Roaming free
And Id rather play here
With all the madmen
For I'm quite content
They're all as sane as me

Zane, zane, zane
Ouvre le chien
Zane, zane, zane
Ouvre le chien
Zane, zane, zane (ah ah ah)

From David Bowie..A scary monster like me.
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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:51 AM
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11. Indeed -- back wards are often more trustworthy than front offices
Yes, I stand corrected about the "back wards". So much of the time these folks are MORE not less in touch with reality than the aides, doctors and "front office" humans. And Godspeed to their lonely & courageous journeys.

Thanks for the Bowie poem.

Bill

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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:27 AM
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9. An article you may find interesting
"The pleasure police don't always wear uniforms. They wear ideologies - rigid, theoretical constructions in their heads. And their heads in turn rule over their bodies and oppress them."


This act of conquest and imposition I call the Primal Wound. Partnership cultures, lacking rigid hierarchy and authoritarianism, are mentally healthy. Dominator culture inequality and violence gave rise to the neuroses and psychoses generally associated with civilization. Dominator culture splits humans from each other and humanity from nature, giving rise to alienation. Thus we are wounded.
http://www.geocities.com/vcmtalk/primalwound.html

Strong emotions and energy flows are an integral part of sexuality and, with this, sexuality has also the potential to cause enormous problems if these emotions and energies are blocked or misdirected. Due to our social conditions, unimpeded sexuality is rare and sexual repression is the norm, so much so, that most of us do not even realise that something is wrong. We do not know what natural, free-flowing sexuality is.
http://users.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/Sexuality.html

Reich linked sexual repression to the formation of authoritarian personalities and believed that there are libidinal energies, which are employed in the anchoring of the authoritarian social order, as he explained in his 1933 book The Mass Psychology of Fascism.

Reich believed that it was in this anchoring of the social order in the character structure that we find an explanation for the toleration on the part of the suppressed layers of the population toward the rulership of an upper social class that has the means of power at its disposal, a toleration that often goes so far as to affirm authoritarian suppression at the expense of its own class interests. Reich's analysis of sexual imagery within Nazi propaganda and Hitler's hypnotic oratory performances led him to believe that Germans achieved some sort of orgiastic satisfaction from their dedication to the f�hrer and his weltanschaung of sexual repression. Myron Sharaf, Reich's biographer, commented that, "This intense libidinal excitation, combined with a sense of moral righteousness, was strikingly similar to the atmosphere at religious revival meetings."

http://www.greenanarchy.org/index.php?action=viewwritingdetail&writingId=237

And lastly..
So I have a game that I pretend, when I'm not allowed to pretend love, when no one else will pretend love with me. It's true I fall in love much more often than any one person is supposed to do. It's true that if I can be alone with any one person for an hour or two I can achieve falling in love with him or her. But this is desperate, and they won't believe it and they won't play it, my game of universal love, So I just go along, painting it.

For if they come again, I am all trembling. For when I see them again my eyes cry "Lover!" And they are all ashamed and embarrassed in front of me, for husbands have wives and wives have husbands already and they do not understand this thing I must do to them having already done it to myself, for them. They see me and they run from me. They run because in that moment their eyes acclaim me. In that moment my eyes gave myself to them, entered them, and in that moment their eyes were opened. and their eyes cried being open. And I painted this. Yes, and when I painted the husband the wife bought the painting, saying it was for her alone. And when I painted the wife, the husband came wearing such cold anger I could not paint him at all. And those who are single, they were terrified.

http://www.unknownnews.net/a0125.html#kj21
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 02:09 AM
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12. "The cornerstones of conservative ethos are sexual hysteria, meanness, and hypocrisy. . .
It all fits together -- if they weren't so fucked up about sex, they wouldn't want to be so mean, and they wouldn't have to be so hypocritical." Rod Downey
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 10:08 AM
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14. Yep....
Conservatives are uncomfortable with sexuality because it cannot be controlled, tho they sure do try!

Check out this article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-slater/morality-is-what-right_b_36231.html

At some point during the Gerald Ford funeral media blitz, I was reminded that he once joked about being "charisma challenged". At least Ford had a sense of humor about it. The men you mention are sexually repressed, no doubt, but they are also unattractive in the sense of being "charisma challenged." And make no mistake about it, that makes these guys PISSED at anyone who has charisma (like, say, Bill Clinton).

So much of the Neocon agenda is envy-based. You could see it on the faces of the Republican congress yesterday as Pelosi beamed about making progressive history, something the Neocons have desired but not achieved. Conservative historical markers are usually the history of disasters, like say the election of 2000. The Bush Administration's legacy will be the nightmarish historical firsts of Iraq and New Orleans.
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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:12 PM
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17. control freaks

"Conservatives are uncomfortable with sexuality because it cannot be controlled, tho they sure do try!"

Wonderfully put. Hence, control freaks are always terrified of sexual abandon -- probably because it's a microcosm of the raw spontaneity of ALL living.

Bill
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 10:53 AM
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16. Well, this extends to Americans in general
Edited on Fri Jan-05-07 10:54 AM by info being
I've even known some really sexually repressed liberals who take things a bit too seriously as well.
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