Doomsday for Islam?

[Burning Water]

Scary, huh? I probably won't be able to respond for several hours as I have a meeting.

Perhaps this week's most ominous headline was "Islamic websites carry al-Qaida's Last Warning." The story in WorldNetDaily detailed how Osama bin Laden's terror group plans to bring destruction upon the United States and force it into surrender. Apparently this is more of the same threat that has been circulating for some time that al-Qaida plans to detonate seven nuclear warheads it claims to have acquired from Pakistan and the former Soviet Union in the United States. There have also been accompanying threats that al-Qaida planned to follow up the nuclear attacks with crop-dusting planes that would spread smallpox on American cities.


Despite grandiose plans for such an attack on the United States, bin Laden has again failed to understand the nature of the American spirit and the likely vengeance such an attack would unleash from American military strategic nuclear forces. Since the United States entered the era of nuclear weapons technology many decades ago, it has always had detailed contingency plans on how the country would respond in a nuclear crisis.




http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49463

[ShortnFiery]

1. World Net Daily!?!

Like some of the far left websites, such hysterical drivel from the right wing crazies at World Net Daily (WND), IMO, should be dismissed out of the gate ... well at least by those of us with an ounce of common sense.

[Burning Water]

4. I think you missed the point.

The reliability of the source is not the issue. There are people that think like that, and I have no doubt that the Pentagon has plans for every contingency they can think of. And who is in charge right now?

Further, there are Islamists who think like that.

[ShortnFiery]

10. No, the vast majority of Islamists are NOT stupid and KNOW that any deadly

antic they dare ATTEMPT will have a BIG return address on it stating, in essence. "IRAN!" Further, they are not so nuts to see Allah to think for one moment that the crazies over here will not turn their land into a parking lot.

The ONLY intention of such sites is to spread FEAR to the American sheeple. I'm sorry that you would choose to take most anything that WND publishes in any way other than PSYOPS.

I'm sticking with my original premise. The Masters of War want to keep the rhetoric heated. They're even bringing the Soviet Union (leaking information to Saddam) into the mix. Why? More money for all the Industrial-Military Machine. Oh boy! Both hot and cold wars at the same time ... big profits to be made.

This is a scam. The way to resolve is to recognize sovereignty and practice diplomacy and detente. To do otherwise is the "wet dreams" of our massive ramped up war machine.

The choice is ours and I choose detente.

[Burning Water]

12. I don't think

there is any real concern about the "vast majority" of Islamists who are not stupid. It's that tiny little percentage comprising several million individuals that we have to worry about.

Still, the original post, was about the scary United States. How did you miss that?

[ShortnFiery]

14. It was more than JUST the "scary USA" and you know that ...

Stop please. I'm not in an ego contest with you in any way.

Please also note that we (those of us in the good ole' USA) have our own "home grown" terrorists who have little to nothing to do with Islam. They could also be termed a "tiny little percentage" but NO LESS DEADLY.

No, I will not give into fear of Boogie-Men.

Evil or not, we are all from the same HUMAN species. As such, each population has a similar diversity of personality/character types. No one race, culture or country represents people who are any less "good or evil" nor "more or less savage" than the rest of us.

[Burning Water]

16. Well, I guess

it's a matter of interpretation. I was pointing out the horrendous plans of the Defense department for retaliation. You, on the other hand, could only see that it mentioned that Islamists might do something. No need to attribute bad faith to the disagreement.

And you are correct, there are a small fraction of homegrown terrorists, Tim McVeigh springs to mind, as does PETA & ELF. Still, they hardly have killed 3000 people between them.

[CJCRANE]

20. How did they manage to get away with it?

Also ask yourself what B*sh has done to the countries that provided the hijackers and the funding for 9/11?

[Burning Water]

21. Thanks for your advice, but

it is completely off the point.

[CJCRANE]

22. It's not off the point.

The point is that the hijackers were enabled.

Another point is that people like Valerie Plame, whose job it is to track WMD, have been sabotaged.

The point is: how can America have a credible defence against terrorism and WMD with one hand tied behind its back?

[Burning Water]

23. Sorry, I thought

that the point was that there are some scary plans going on in Washington. Nobody here seems to believe that Bush is capable of such. What a relief that is!!!:sarcasm:

[CJCRANE]

24. Bush has scary plans

for Iran.

But as for bin Laden, I don't think he needs to worry.

[muriel_volestrangler]

25. Maybe it was the way you just excerpted a bit about an attack *on* the US

If you read the whole article, you get mainly baseless speculation (and the occasional offical denial) by a right wing nutter about the US using nuclear bombs against every enemy it has in the world. But you chose to highlight the claim that al Qaeda want to use 7 nuclear warheads in the US, and spread smallpox from crop-dusters. And that is what you called 'scary'. Go and look at your OP again.

[Burning Water]

26. Excuse me?

Reading comprehension is your friend. I believe I excerpted the following

bin Laden has again failed to understand the nature of the American spirit and the likely vengeance such an attack would unleash from American military strategic nuclear forces. Since the United States entered the era of nuclear weapons technology many decades ago, it has always had detailed contingency plans on how the country would respond in a nuclear crisis.

which speaks directly to the "scary" part.

[muriel_volestrangler]

28. What's scary about an unspecified reaction?

But you did think the detail of what WND claimed al Qaeda planned was worth excerpting. Inevitably that's what 'scary' is attached to, by any reader who looks at your post.

[Burning Water]

29. Naturally I assummed that

anybody interested enough to reply would read the article before bloviating. I don't, by the way, care if O'Leilly uses the word; I love it.

[sui generis]

2. not really for several reasons

This is what "terrorists" do, primarily. Terrorize. Forget that this may be our very own operatives planting this crap to keep us terrorized, but it's not going to happen.

It would take more than seven low grade tactical nuclear warheads to bring down America, and America would likely turn the entire middle east into glass as we retaliated, so it would not be a win for the bomb throwers or Islam or the middle east or south asia.

Be afraid be very afraid. Why? What on earth could you possibly do to change the outcome of having a bomb dropped on your head? Worrying about it will change nothing, except maybe take some years off your life and some enjoyment and happiness out of today.

Don't play their game - don't be manipulated by them, whether it's really a jihadist plot or just our own psy-ops trying their best to terrorize us.

[Burning Water]

5. Wasn't this

It would take more than seven low grade tactical nuclear warheads to bring down America, and America would likely turn the entire middle east into glass as we retaliated, so it would not be a win for the bomb throwers or Islam or the middle east or south asia. what the article was about? You agree it could happen and don't think you should be concerned?


Do you think the radical religious Islamists care what happens to the world? They'll get their 72 virgins, or whatever it is.

[sui generis]

7. "concerned" and scared pissless are two different things

I DON'T agree that the probability of it happening is anywhere near even meriting concern. It's a scare story, designed to elicit a response of fear.

And even if fear or "concern" (I freaking hate that word) were merited, what do you do with it? Posting on DU won't avert it.

I really question this source and the source's motives.

Yes I'm "concerned" that many people are trying and someone will eventually succeed in poisoning our water supply, and it will probably not be a terrorist but Kodak or Bristol Myers Squibb or the farmer down the road, that BSE beef is everywhere and has been for 15 years, that there really IS a pill that will permanently turn you into a republican and that the Russians/Israelis/Chinese/Pakistanis have dug up smallpox corpses in Alaska and made Pox Bombs that will clean out America so they can bring all their goats and pigs and chickens and tribal wars here and live and prosper on our bones, one nation under Allah or Yaweh or the FSM.

I'm not mocking you - just weary of manipulation. If you want to be scared, there are plenty of real, documentable things to be scared of right this moment. I would probably never leave the house if I thought about it, but I just don't want to waste heartbeats on suspect speculation.

[CJCRANE]

19. Show me one muslim

who has said anything about 72 virgins being a motivation...it's just a RW talking point.

[Burning Water]

27. What I wrote was

They'll get their 72 virgins, or whatever it is..

They have some motivation, but I actually did not say what it was. "whatever it is"?? Doesn't that change the meaning from what you thought it was just a little?

OK, fine. You're not concerned about any Bushco plans to attack countries in the MidEast. No skin off my nose.

[RedEarth]

3. I don't put much credence in World Net Daily

[Burning Water]

6. The source doesn't

matter in this case. It's just evidence that there are people who think like this. And such people are in charge, according to what most people here say, most of the time.

Then, there are the Islamists, who really are crazy. I don't know if they have a bomb, or not. But I don't doubt that if they have, they would be willing to use it, especially after all the death and destruction that have been rained down upon them. And I don't doubt that the Pentagon has plans for every contingency that they could think of, no matter how remote the possibility.

[bloom]

31. I think it's just evidence that the WND wants people to be scared

of Muslims.

Maybe justify a few thousand more of our bombs. I expect that they think we haven't dropped enough.

[CJCRANE]

8. Bushco's major business partners

are in Saudi Arabia, UAE and other arab monarchies. They would never attack those countries so forgot all the hyperbole about how the ME would be turned to glass. They would blame anything like that on Iran Or Syria.

edit: to remove freeper reference.

[Burning Water]

13. Oh, so that's

a whole lot better??

[CJCRANE]

9. Al-Qaeda doesn't need to do anything.

If B*sh has his way the USA will become a de facto theocratic monarchy. The concept of "America" will be effectively destroyed and its history either forgotten or re-written.

[Fovea]

11. And here's the windup from the plate...

The set up for the false flag attack.

God's, I loved San Francisco. I always wanted to visit New York, and I will miss my online NY friends. I have fond memories of Detroit, believe it or not. LA was not my favorite town, but I didn't dislike it that much.

I figure they will use tactical yeild devices in highly blue urban cores. Halliburton will get the decontam contracts, and Bechtel will rebuild.

Oh yeah, did I mention the martial law?

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[Fovea]

30. I take it seriously but not in the way intended.

I figure I am looking at the outside envelope of a whole spectrum of possible Northwoods actions.

Remember, "everything changed after 911." Dubya means that. There is no actual America anymore. The current American government is a one party criminal conspiracy.

That is the present constitutional crisis. And when the miscreants go as far as these have, it smacks of folly not to ask yourself what they are capable of doing. Because for them, the cost of losing control of our soi disant government means indictment-- and quite possibly a long legal battle ending in incarceration and re-distrubution of wealth.

But thanks for the suggestion. I took you up on it, and feel worlds better after a nice springlike bike ride yesterday. In my youth, we used to refer to this as 'getting the stink blowd off of you.'

[smb]

17. Oh, puh-leeze

Even the freepers refer to this site as "Wing Nut Daily". It has about as much credibility as the Weekly World News.

[CJCRANE]

18. Yeah, those muslim extremists

should be really scared.

I mean look what happened after those 19 hijackers (15 from Saudi Arabia, 2 from UAE) attacked America
on 9/11 (with funding via Saudi Arabia, UAE and Pakistan).

B*sh increased cooperation and business with those countries. That really taught them a lesson!

Then B*sh attacked Iraq, a country that had nothing to with 9/11. Ha! That showed 'em!