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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 07:50 AM
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Clinton: The big mistake of the Iraq war


The dam has burst. Former president Bill Clinton's verdict that the war in Iraq was "a big mistake" is echoing around the world

http://www.independent.co.uk/

18 November 2005

The dam has burst. Former president Bill Clinton's verdict that the war in Iraq was "a big mistake" is echoing around the world.

The unease, the misgivings, and downright opposition can be contained no longer. From Senate Republicans, to one of the most influential Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill yesterday, the message has been the same. The Iraq war has been a disaster, and the sooner American troops leave the better. The alarm was sounded on Capitol Hill on Tuesday when Senate Republicans and Democrats joined forces to demand the White House explain every three months how it intends to "complete the mission" in Iraq.

The next day, Mr Clinton weighed in from the Middle East, saying the war as it unfolded was "a big mistake". It was a good thing Saddam Hussein had gone, the former president said, "but I don't agree with what was done". The administration underestimated "how easy it would be to overthrow Saddam and how hard it would be to unite the country".

He said President George Bush had made "several errors, including the total dismantlement of the authority structure of Iraq". He added: "We never sent enough troops and didn't have enough troops to control or seal the borders." Across those porous borders, "the terrorists came in. That was the central mistake, and we're still living with that".

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/article327773.ece



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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 07:52 AM
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1. he's righteously calling bush and company "goofballs."
and he's exactly right.
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Mizmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 07:53 AM
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2. Well that only took way too long
have these people been blind all these years, or just stupid?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 07:55 AM
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3. Until recently former Presidents would bend over backwards
to avoid criticizing a sitting President, especially when overseas. Between Clinton and Carter coming out last week, the WH has suffered some major blows that hopefully they will never recover from.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 08:08 AM
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5. THANK YOU
WTF?? IT WAS ALWAYS A G.D. DISASTER
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uniden Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 08:09 AM
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6. they're politicians
going with the wind. All supported the war then, so all should shut up now, or at least admit that they were wrong too.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 08:17 AM
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8. I don't recall Bill Clinton supporting the war
I think you are confusing him with Hillary?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 08:34 AM
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11. I think not, and google agrees.
For example:

"I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq, even though I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over," Clinton said in a Time magazine interview that will hit newsstands Monday, a day before the publication of his book "My Life."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

And he continues today with the DLC line that the Iraqi Blunder is a management problem not a criminal act of unprovoked aggression.
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uniden Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 03:56 PM
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13. suppose what you say it's true
why didn't he oppose him then? Now that most people agree, it's easy to jump in and say "me too."
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 07:56 AM
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4. And now of course the Clinton bashing will come from the RW Echo Machine
and the thing is, that Clinton probably would have kept his mouth shut if the Bush people did not try to claim support for the Iraq war by basically saying "Well, Clinton said he had WMD's too you know"; as well as playing old quotes and clips of Clinton to show that the war must be as much or more the fault of the Democrats too. Clinton is not going to put up with that shit.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 08:10 AM
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7. Wrong. It was illegal and immoral. Thsi BS about how the invasion wasn't
properly structured is sick. The invasion itself was WRONG.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 08:25 AM
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9. Right. "Mistake" is not the word for it.
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Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:08 PM
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15. Exactly - the big mistake was fighting it in the first place. n/t
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:28 PM
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16. Furthermore, the "foreign fighters" analysis is completely wrong
Strange that he would make that assertion.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 08:33 AM
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10. I hadn't thought about this from a foreign view --
When you travel outside the U.S., people constantly bring up Clinton, and I've never met any of them who didn't express enormous respect and affection for him. This statement of his will resonate beyond our shores, probably more than here in the U.S.
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jbfam4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 10:37 AM
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12. This was in the Washington Post on Wednesday
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:44 PM
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14. Well, gee. How fucking hard IS it to dump on Bush when he's in
the toilet ratings-wise anyway?

Very damn few of our illustrious Democrats could be counted on to help push him into the toilet, but boy, once there, they just can't wait to pile on. These aren't NEW thoughts of Clinton's, by any means. Why wait til now? Oh, because it's safe, that's why.

I expected way more and better from him.
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