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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:55 AM
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Pssst... Nobody Loves a Torturer (Newsweek)
Ask any American soldier in Iraq when the general population really turned against the United States and he will say, "Abu Ghraib."

By Fareed Zakaria
Newsweek

Nov. 14, 2005 issue - As President Bush's approval ratings sink at home, the glee across the globe rises. He remains the most unpopular political figure in the world, and newspapers from Europe to Asia are delighting in his troubles. Last week's protests in Mar del Plata were happily replayed on televisions everywhere. So what is the leader of the free world to do? Well, I have a suggestion that might improve Bush's image abroad—and it doesn't require that Karen Hughes go anywhere. It would actually help Bush at home as well, and it has the additional virtue of being the right thing to do. It's simple: end the administration's disastrous experiment with officially sanctioned torture.

We now have plenty of documents and testimonials that make plain that the administration created an atmosphere in which the interrogation of prisoners could lapse into torture. After 9/11, high up in the administration—at the White House and the Pentagon—officials and lawyers were asked to find ways to bend and stretch the traditional rules of war. Donald Rumsfeld publicly declared that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to the war against Al Qaeda. Whether or not these legalisms were correct, their most important effect was the message they sent down the chain of command: "Push the envelope."

For example, when Rumsfeld read a report documenting some of the new interrogation procedures at Guantanamo in November 2002, including having detainees stand for four hours, he scribbled a note in the margin, "Why is standing limited to 4 hours?... I stand for 8 hours a day." (Rumsfeld probably does not stand for eight hours, scarcely clad and barely fed, with bright lights, prison guards and attack dogs trained on him.) The signal Rumsfeld was sending was clear: "Get tougher." No one at the top was outlining what soldiers should not do, which lines they should not cross, which laws they should remember to adhere to strictly. The Pentagon's own report after investigating Abu Ghraib, by Gen. George Fay, speaks of "doctrinal confusion... a lack of doctrine... systemic failures" as the causes for the incidents of torture. In a 2 million-person bureaucracy, such calculated ambiguities will inevitably lead to something like Abu Ghraib.

And the incidents clearly go well beyond Abu Ghraib. During the past few months, declassified documents and testimony from Army officers make abundantly clear that torture and abuse of prisoners is something that has become quite widespread since 9/11. The most recent evidence comes from autopsies of 44 prisoners who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan in U.S. custody. Most died under circumstances that suggest torture. The reports use words like "strangulation," "asphyxiation" and "blunt force injuries." Even the "natural" deaths were caused by "Arteriosclerotic Cardiovascular disease"—in other words, sudden heart attacks. <snip>

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9939154/site/newsweek/


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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:02 AM
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1. Cheney asking for the CIA to be exempt from torturing restrictions
was the last straw in saying this administration has anything to do with Christianity. Cheney is one cold man.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:06 AM
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2. yeah, Saddam tortured his own people
so why can't we torture them too? :sarcasm:
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:09 AM
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3. huh?
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:11 AM
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4. uh, I put the sarcasm thingy in it...
do you have java disbled?
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:45 AM
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11. My read? Cheney is trying to buy some help at CIA.
By acting like the CIA's advocate when they are under attack, he appears to be defending them. In fact, he's defending Bush, who gives the orders.
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whoretaculture Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:11 AM
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5. Nobody loves anybody?
Just askin'.:shrug:

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TiredTexan Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:12 AM
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6. "Who would Jesus Torture?"
would make a good bumper sticker.............
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:17 AM
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8. Great post
Cheney wants torture/Would Jesus approve?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:16 AM
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7. Great Title - like somehow the neocons missed out on early socialization.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:21 AM
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9. Today in kindergarden I learned: electrodes don't belong on genitals
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whoretaculture Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:34 AM
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10. In honors health class
I learned to tape one electrode to my leg, one to hers, and play around with the transformer from the train set I got for Christmas years ago. Thanks mom!
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