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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 05:51 PM
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Bush: Worst President Ever?........
Bush: Worst President Ever?
By Stephen Pizzo, News for Real
Posted on May 20, 2005, Printed on May 22, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/22057/

For the record, I don't like George Bush. And I don't like most of the people who work for George Bush. So, diehard Republicans can just brush aside my remarks as so much partisan blather.

But by now I suppose very few diehard Republicans ever read what I write. So do me a favor -- e-mail this to the diehards in your family and circle of friends. Ask them to tell me why I am wrong about this:

George Bush is the worst president of the United States of America, ever. Hands down. And here are just a few reasons why I believe that statement is true.

America the Disgraced

President Bush's actions and policies have destroyed America's image as a nation that adheres to a set of core values, such as the rule of law, humane treatment of prisoners, presumed innocence, trial by jury and respect for international laws.


http://www.alternet.org/story/22057/
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mirandaod Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 06:02 PM
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1. No question about it.
A perfect storm of bad government.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 09:07 AM
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14. James Buchanan Was Still Worse
George W. is the second worst president ever. He still hasn't surpassed James Buchanan, but give him a couple more years and maybe he will.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 06:04 PM
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2. There's no doubt in my mind.....
he's the worst I can remember and that goes back to the Eisenhower administration. The only two that come close were Nixon and St. Ronnie.

I can't believe the audacity of the pukes who say bush's face will be on Mount Rushmore some day. The only way that will happen is if he's dropped on it by helicopter and his face splats all over the place.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 06:11 PM
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3. Maybe Carter,,, but at least he was not criminally insane.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 06:33 PM
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4. Jesus H
How many illegal wars did JC start?
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 09:18 AM
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15. carter?? not even close
if you think carter was the worst president ever, you don't know either carter or his competition very well.

really, the worst anyone can say about carter was "inept". my own assessment of carter is not even that bad, but in any event, it hardly compares to some of the disasters we've had in office, hoover just as a start.

carter's mistakes didn't lead us into disastrous wars or depressions.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 09:49 AM
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17. The worst that could be said about Carter is that ...
... he was both honest and ethical. While that may have made life difficult for him in DC, it ranks him among the most honorable Presidents we have ever had.

I, for one, would vote for him again in a heartbeat.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 03:25 PM
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47. I second that!
Carter was probably the best president during my 45 years of life.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 01:21 PM
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28. I Was a Kennedy '80 Democrat...
...and NO FAN of Jimmy Carter as President.

That being said, he not only is FAR SUPERIOR to **, but to an other rethuglican president in my lifetime (born in '55 during Eisenhower's administration)
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 03:58 PM
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32. Carter.... you must be kidding.......
I'd vote for Carter in a second if he were to run again.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:50 PM
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33. Carter also had some pretty bad luck ...
And at least some of that was thrown into his lap by previous administrations. For example, there had been danger signs from Iran prior to his election (people were already leaving the country because they could see the revolution coming) -- yet the CIA seems to have overlooked it.

I suppose that if Carter had done what Bush is doing now -- arrogantly blustering around saying that things are going oh so well, thanks to him -- it might have worked! But I believe he was punished for being honest. In retrospect, if people had listened to his warnings about the energy crisis, we'd be a lot better off today.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 08:04 PM
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34. I like Jimmy Carter,,,,, I was
thinking in terms of net results. Carter did have some terrible luck but his heart was in the right place. The economy was horrible, energy issues, three mile island and Iran hostages made his presidency seem like a disaster.

Bush is a disaster and he has had incredibly good luck that the country is doing as well as it is.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 08:11 PM
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35. plus, Bush is opportunistic enough to take advantage of a tragedy ...
He's certainly been milking the 9/11 attacks, and the deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq, for everything he can get.

If he had been in charge during the Carter administration, with Wolfowitz and Co. around him, what bets he would have whipped up a full-scale invasion immediately! And if the hostages had been executed, or killed by friendly fire, he would have used that as "justification" as well.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:34 AM
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44. It Wasn't Bad Luck Carter Had--
It was a combination of his own arrogance and naivite, his poor choice in friends (since one cannot choose family, he gets a pass there), the Reagan Iran conspiracy, and lingering effects of Watergate and Nixon's oil shock.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 04:13 AM
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40. * is not criminally insane
That conniving MF knows exactly what he is doing every step of the way
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 06:35 PM
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5. Yup! From what I can remember. n/t
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 06:54 PM
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6. None of those matter a whit to ideologues, religious fanatics, and other
supporters of the man and his PNAC dream nor does it matter a whit to those who failed to vote in the 2004 national election. We have met the enemy and it is us (we).
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Blastforth Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 10:21 PM
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7. How 'bout Polk or McKinley?
Bush is a piker compared to Polk and McKinley. Polk attacked Mexico without provocation to steal Texas, the southwest, and California. Those areas rightfully belong to Mexico and should be returned. Then you have McKinley: On the mere pretext of the destruction of the USS Maine (which exploded due to a fire in a coal bunker), he declared war on Spain. And what did we get for our trouble? A bloody insurgency in the Philippines. Don't forget Andy Jackson. He murdered thousands of innocent Indians on the "trail of tears." Finally, in terms wanton destruction and loss of life, no one beats LBJ's pointless adventures in southeast Asia.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 10:37 AM
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20. Okay but the world was a different place when they
were presidents. I'm not excusing their behavior, it was abominable. But I think relatively BushCo is just as bad. When Jackson and Polk were president, slavery was still legal in the U.S. People were taught to believe that Native Americans and Africans were not even human and women were just barely so. Superstition, fear, sexism, racism, lack of education, lack of information... all of these things were way worse then than now (although it seems BushCo would like to return things to "the old ways"). So for Bush to perpetrate the kind of crimes he has in today's world I think is just as heinous if not more so.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 10:56 AM
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22. Let's not forget Woodrow Wilson.
He gets way too free a pass in these discussions. Racist to his core, sent millions to Europe needlessly (unless someone can convince me that we needed to be there in 1917 and 1918) and got hundreds of thousands of Americans killed.

Yeah, yeah, league of nations, Princeton pres, could do cool intellectual parlour tricks. Still a bastard, and in my book Chimpy has a ways to go before he does as much harm as did Woody.
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 11:40 AM
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23. You're spot on!
Wilson has gotten a free pass for some reason. He was a terrible President.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 12:06 PM
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24. too many liberals look the other way, that's the reason.
Or maybe we just don't want to diss a Democrat who continues to be held in high esteem by so many.

from
http://reason.com/links/links121802.shtml

Wilson's historical reputation is that of a far-sighted progressive. That role has been assigned to him by historians based on his battle for the League of Nations, and the opposition he faced from isolationist Republicans. Indeed, the adjective "Wilsonian," still in use, implies a positive if idealistic vision for the extension of justice and democratic values throughout the world. Domestically, however, Wilson was a racist retrograde, one who attempted to engineer the diminution of both justice and democracy for American blacks—who were enjoying little of either to begin with.

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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 02:29 PM
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31. I think you're right
And that's a shame. Party affiliation should NEVER prevent someone from criticizing immorality
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:32 AM
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Considering Wilson Was Half Dead After His Stroke
and wifey ran the government, I give Wilson a Not Proven, not a Guilty verdict.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:32 AM
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43. Considering Wilson Was Half Dead After His Stroke
and wifey ran the government, I give Wilson a Not Proven, not a Guilty verdict.
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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:43 AM
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42. Texas was already in the Union
by the time Polk got around to attacking. Whether it should go back to Mexico is another issue. There's really no reason for Mexican "nationalists" to be concerned since the people of Mexico are moving here in record numbers. In 50 years, there will be no U.S. or Mexico (as a practical matter under NAFTA there really isn't even now) anyhow. If * could get his way, he'd do away with the unenforced border with the stroke of a pen and make it official.

I have always been curious at Mexican national "pride." If Mexicans are so proud of their country, why don't they overthrow the corrupt oligarchy which has ruled it for God knows how long?

It really looks strange when a quarter of a country's population moves away because of the corruption which makes even subsisting there difficult and then proceeds to lecture their new host country about its faults throughout history.
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 12:06 AM
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8. No. He isnt the President as he was elected by fraudulent elections
in the coup of 2000. He is a puppet of the corporations; nothing more, nothing less.

We currently have no President for the first time in
over 200 years.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 12:16 AM
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9. ABSOLUTE WORST PERSON ever to call himself the President

He ain't my pres
it was a coup on 11/00..9/11..11/0/04

Bobbie Kennedy jr called him the worst pres and most immoral and stated that the USA is a fascist state thanks to the busheviks and neo-cons and their elite control agenda.

"A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider godfearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side."
-Aristotle, "Politics"

PLUS bush sets us up for the worst future possibly including more wars and the big firework display of condis dreams...

bush stands in a class of his own..only his Poppy compares to his own insanity...


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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 06:51 AM
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10. He's In the Running For WORST PERSON EVER, Period
If he has a good point, no one has ever pointed it out.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 08:49 AM
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12. "Worst Person Ever"!
SUMS IT ALL UP NOW DON'T IT?

Poppy O Bush and Babs brought this piece of work onto this beautiful planet for what??

To enslave us and destroy the planet?
rich spoiled facsiscimos..

remember when the ole bag said on TV to Diane Sawyer she didnt want to upset her "beautiful mind" thinking of US war deaths

What beauty has she ever done cept to curse us with her 4 monsters!!
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:47 AM
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11. Bush is like America's Caeser
but for some reason his rise to power has come with military failures, not military succes. Go figure.
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 09:01 AM
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13. I tell you
Buchanan
The first Johnson
The second Johnson
Even Nixon ain't got nothin' on this guy.

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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 09:36 AM
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16. "Bush wins Triple Trifecta as worst president ever"
"February 16, 2004

Harvey Wasserman

"The worst president in our lifetime" is how many Americans view George W. Bush.

But Bush is not merely the worst president in recent memory. He's the worst in all US history. And he's won the distinction not on a weakness or two, but in at least nine separate categories, giving him a triple trifecta.

It's a record unmatched by any previous president.

Let's count the ways:

TRIFECTA ONE: Economy, Environment, Education

>snip

TRIFECTA TWO: Corruption, Constitution, Global Contempt

Corruption:
Until Bush, the friends of Warren G. Harding were the kings of White House sleaze. Nixon and Reagan's made a serious challenge. But with Enron, Halliburton, Bechtel and other Bush funders profiting from the slaughter in Iraq and the decimation of the electric grid and the natural environment, W has captured the crown of public theft.

>snip

TRIFECTA THREE: Military madness, Messianic delusion, Macho Matricide

Messianic Delusion:
Presidents from Washington to Lincoln to the Roosevelts to Reagan have invoked the name of God. Only Bush claims to speak directly to Him and for Him. Only Bush claims to have been elected by Him (the American people certainly didn't do it).

At least since the witch trials of Salem in the 1690s, no other president has ever attempted to impose his personal religion on the nation---or world---as has Bush. "

More at;
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/7/2004/832




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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 09:51 AM
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18. Certainly within my lifetime!
I wasn't here for Buchanan (I'm old, but not quite that old). There is no way carter was even in the same league as this administration. Reagan is very close, as he set the wheels in motion for this cabal's dismantling of the American Dream. RR's neutering of PATCO and the decision to quit enforcing the Taft-Sherman Anti-Trust Act is arguably the worst thing to ever happen to the working class, IMO.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 10:36 AM
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19. Worst leader in all of history.
This idiot is SO over his head - he needs to be impeached and kicked to the gutter - he'll be glad there is booze to return to...
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 10:49 AM
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21. Bu$h is an atrocity-maestro; an imperialistic thug; a criminal against ...
.... humanity and civilization.

And, he has rendered "Amercia" past tense.

"Our duty" is to recognize those facts and begin the process of re-establishing "America":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3708092

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Be it MNA Day 3 or 8 or 15 or .... the day will come when 10s of millions of Americans and others stop their typical activities for 24 hours and urge 10 times that many to join should another MNA Day be required. On that glorious day what we once called "America" will emerge.
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Lowell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 12:06 PM
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25. Andrew Jackson
was the worse in my book for many years. But now GW has been borrowing from Jackson's playbook. Typical, push something into law, then don't fund it. I guess the Draft boards will be GWs solution to Leave No Child Behind.
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 12:59 PM
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26. You're one of the few to denigrate Jackson
at least lately. I would agree that Jackson has been overrated but at least he was an icon for expanded popular democracy, opposed certain privileged groups, and stood up for the Union against South Carolina secessionists. He also was ignorant, cruel and disrespectful of the law. But Cheney's puppet has no redeeming qualities that I can identify, he wins by a landslide. He's finally found something he can do well-- ruin his country
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Lowell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 01:12 PM
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27. Jackson was a pig
He threw open the doors of the White House and it was pillaged by his follower. His racist policies sent many of my ancestors on the Trail of Tears to Oklahoma, even after they had served under him in the military. He openly defied the Supreme Courts and with held funding any project that was not his own idea. He was ignorant and illiterate, much like the present inhabitant of the WH. But unlike GW, I don't think Jackson was stupid. GW is the worse president in my lifetime, but I am not sure he was the worse ever. Of course then he still has another three years to correct that and could very possibly end up right there at the top of history's shit list.
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 02:01 PM
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30. Jackson was a land speculator and an associate of land speculators
He did everything he could to help them, including stealing on a grand scale. Nothing will sour a person on America's "manifest destiny" than reading the details of the removal of Native Americans. The brazen fraud, violence, and legalisms employed further desensitized the frontier, especially the southern frontier, to massive injustice. In fact, it made possible faster expansion of slavery. (I know the southern tribes owned slaves but it wasn't quite the same institution.) Jackson promoted the interests of the southern plantation owners, the cotton industry, and the land speculators at the expense of justice, and bought off the western and southern yeoman class with demagoguery and land opportunities. We are still paying the price. Reagan and Bush I regard as his spiritual successors but I still think Bush is the worst.
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dawgfan Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 01:53 PM
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29. Yes, he poisons America
You can read about how George W. Bush poisons America on my website.

www.mark-gelbart.com

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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 08:56 PM
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36. If * wanted to beat The Big Dog out, he did, worst ever, even Bill
could not say that about himself.

:kick:
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 09:09 PM
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37. The bush family is nothing more than an organized crime syndicate.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 10:52 PM
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38. Yes. Sadly, sadly so. Worse President EVER!
A disgrace. Can't see us living it down "ever" in our lifetime.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 11:35 PM
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39. Certainly no question in my mind. The worst never elected president ever!
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roscoeroscoe Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 05:51 AM
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41. bush: stupid or evil?
that's always been the question. definitely a willing tool of the elite, an uncurious running dog.
the historic comparisons are quite apt, the sad part being we would like to be past such historically disasterous management of the ship of state.
i think with respect to carter, his time in office was sabotaged in every way possible by forces operating under the radar... remember that the rise of reagan was supported by lots of quiet operators and they managed to pull the iranian arms deal, the hostage rescue *just happened to fall through* and inflation was at a cresting high we can't even picture today... any question why carter lost?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:38 AM
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46. Both, Actually
One can be both stupid and evil, if one is supported by smart and evil people like Bush is.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:37 AM
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45. A weird feeling of deja vu ....
This could be John Howard's Australia.
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