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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:27 PM
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Conservative Groups Denounce 'Kinsey' Film (Compares Kinsey to Mengele)
NEW YORK -- Indignant conservative groups are protesting this week's opening of the film "Kinsey," denouncing it as propaganda seeking to glorify the researcher they blame for inspiring the sexual revolution.

"Alfred Kinsey is responsible in part for my generation being forced to deal face-to-face with the devastating consequences of sexually transmitted diseases, pornography and abortion," said Brandi Swindell, head of a college-oriented group called Generation Life that plans to picket theaters showing the film.

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Although the film portrays Kinsey as a flawed adulterer, conservative critics nonetheless contend it is too admiring. They argue that it omits unflattering details about Kinsey's interest in pedophilia and exaggerates the accuracy of the findings in his groundbreaking sex-behavior studies of 1948 and 1953.

"Instead of being lionized, Kinsey's proper place is with Nazi Dr. Josef Mengele or your average Hollywood horror flick mad scientist," said Robert Knight, director of Concerned Women of America's Culture & Family Institute.

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Focus on the Family, an influential Christian ministry based in Colorado Springs, Colo., said in a review of the film that "Kinsey" mocks Christianity and condones immorality.

"To say that it is rank propaganda for the sexual revolution and the homosexual agenda would be beyond stating the obvious," wrote reviewer Tom Neven.

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/news/wire/sns-ap-film-kinsey-protests,0,3815480.story?coll=sns-ap-entertainment-headlines
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:29 PM
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1. DAMN those researchers!
Heaven forbid we should know anything...
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:31 PM
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2. You know they hate science
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:10 PM
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35. everything you wanted to know about sex
Again were afraid to ask.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:31 PM
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3. oh for heaven's sake, Brandi.
STD, porn & abortion were around a long time before Kinsey.

and what the hell is a "college-oriented group" anyway?
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:55 PM
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33. "college-oriented group"
I bet it means they try to have "cool" events on various campuses, without revealing to whomever shows up that very few of the people involved are actually students at that college.

Campus Crusade for Christ was like that at my college. Only after some investigation did one discover that very few of the members were actually college students. They were mostly twenty-something loser guys who just wanted to meet some college girls and... "fill them with the Holy Spirit."
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newscaster Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:20 PM
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37. A college oriented group
is a group that can walk from one side of a college campus to the other without ever entering a classroom and without ever learning anything.
And they believe Sociology is witchcraft.

:dunce:
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:32 PM
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4. Never before!
Alfred Kinsey is responsible in part for my generation being forced to deal face-to-face with the devastating consequences of sexually transmitted diseases, pornography and abortion

Yes, it's true, we never had pornography or STDs (just ask Native South Americans, who were nearly wiped out by STDs introduced by Europeans) or abortion (seriously doc, I don't know how that coat hanger ended up THERE. It was there when I found the body) before Kinsey. Never.

And Hitler was driven to his evil task by cartoon violence.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:49 PM
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16. Hey, there wasn't even any sex
befor Kinsey came up with that perverted idea, right out of the blue. We used to have parthenogenesis back in the good old days before some deviant came up with the idea of sex.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:32 PM
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5. Who better to know about Mengele
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:33 PM
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Sure. A biologist who was asked by his university to teach a sexuality ...
... course, who noticed there was very little reliable information, and who therefore began interviewing ordinary Americans about their sexual histories.

And Mengele, Nazi deathcamp sadist.

Robert Knight can't tell the difference?

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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:33 PM
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6. LOL.
I blame Newton for forcing me to deal with the consequences of gravity.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:36 PM
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8. Heh heh...
Actually, it's closer to blaming Jonas Salk for polio.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:34 PM
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7. The American Taliban again rears it's ugly head.
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 06:34 PM by bowens43
Make no mistakes folks, these 'people', the fundies, have every intention of having their version of biblical law become the basis for all law in the United States.

Please , everyone, read 'The Hand Maids Tale'. See what they have in mind for us......
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MASSAFRA Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:42 PM
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9. I had no real interest
in seeing this movie until now.
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:44 PM
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10. WHAT!????!!!!????? KINSEY IS LIKE MENGELE!????!!!!!!!!
"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American people." (H.L. Mencken, I think. Although it might be P.T. Barnum.) Sweet suffering Jesus.
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:54 PM
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23. They're really just letting their eagles soar these days, ain't they?
The little dears, the little dears.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:48 PM
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32. I agree
This is an outrage. All Jews should be outraged by this kind of generalization by such a bigoted group. I hope this statement gets a wide range of publicity so that decent Americans can voice their disgust with this kind of slander.
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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:44 PM
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11. Science BAD. Kill, Kill...All Hail Zardoz! Zardoz Lives!
gOD commands you to be outraged at this film...and, to help our mission we need you to contribute to our efforts. We need your money.

Intolerance of idiocy IS NOT being elitist. To (their idea of Hell) with these Xtian dumbfucks.

JB

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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:49 PM
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15. NO! DO NOT WORSHIP ZARDOZ! He is fraud!
You will instead worship ME! LORD VADER! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! *Evil Laugh* :evilgrin:
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ezgoingrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:45 PM
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12. If these people get their way
the world is going to be flat by next week.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:51 PM
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20. A Handmaids Tale I tell ya it's The handmaids tale they are out to create
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:48 PM
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13. I hope they are picketing my theater
I'll show them some obscenity
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:48 PM
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14. I can't stand anything those stupid
Conservatives believe in stand for, agree with , blah blah.
I never used to hate them before, just thought they were kind of stupid.
I just really started hating them these last few years.
Wonder why. :nuke:
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nikatnyte Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:50 PM
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17. Sounds to me like some big personal issues are floating up here
Any parents who would name their daughter "Brandi" must have been exhibiting some of that footloose free love that she is rebelling against.
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:51 PM
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18. They should be forced to watch only black and white TV's.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:55 PM
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24. Can they live with that?
Oh no! The horrors! No 50 - 60 inch big screen High-Def TVs for them? That might cause them to flock to their fundie churches every day instead of just once a week. :)
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:51 PM
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19. OH NO! They're gonna boycott it!?!?!?!?!
I SO thought it would be a movie Talibornagains would FLOCK to!!!

Pffft.

david
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:53 PM
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21.  Robert Knight, director of Concerned Women of America's Culture & Family
I ***LOVE*** it!!! A man running an organization called "Concerned Women of America..."

OMG, these people are nutz!

david
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:59 PM
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25. None of Their Concerns...
are based in reality. They don't care about jobs and other issues that working people have to deal with. They are just a bunch of non-working, rich, spoiled housewives who are so damn bored that they have to butt their plastic surgery faces into the business of other people via cries of "concern for morality".
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:54 PM
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22. I could have sworn I read about promiscuity b4 Kinsey....
Oh, yeah. Rabelais' Gargantua & Pantagruel (sp?) Or Canterbury Tales... Or Sappho... Or (*GASP*) The BIBLE!

But just take a peek at the murals in Pompeii... We know what happened to them, don't we? Huh? DON'T WE?????

We are a wicked little race of animals who like nothing more than fucking and killing so we have an excuse for more fucking.

</end sarcastic rant>
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:15 PM
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26. Saw it. It's great.
Wondered if it would land on the radar of the doomsday cultists -- death always being more preferable than sex, to them.

They must especially hate the monologue at the end -- I won't spoil it, but it does involve "non-approved" sex.

Reverse boycott: All DUers see "Kinsey!"
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:35 PM
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28. Looking forward to it! n/t
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:30 PM
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27. Then do not go see it; let me decide if I shall by myself please.
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prayin4rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:38 PM
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29. I was a pschology major and I feel pretty liberal sexually,
however Kinsey offends me too. I think many of his experiments were out and out child abuse. A teacher I really liked in my psychology of gender class cited him in class one time, and she could see me obviously offended. When she saw she had offended me she started talking about how the ancient greeks lived (pretty defensive in my opinion). Anyway, it is likely I don't agree with why the conservatives don't like him, but I must admit I find his methods criminal. Many people disagree, and I can see why, but I feel the scientific community should not endorse him by citing his studies.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:59 PM
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34. Actually, I hear that and I understand it
but the Jewish thing just undid me. Are these people just crypto-Nazis as we all suspected?

Yes, Kinsey was a complicated man. And I believe that research was more than a little "loose" in those days. But to compare Kinsey to Mengele is just out of the ball park. Can we not have rational thinking here?
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really annoyed Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:18 PM
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36. Rational Thinking....
You would not believe (acutally, it's not a shock) how these conservative groups tear up gays and lesbians. It is so ugly.

Or you should see the "research" the American Family Association has done on homosexuality. And we are the perverts? :evilgrin:

Seriously, these people are so obsessed with sex (especially anything to do with homosexuality) it makes me wonder....
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drscm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:45 PM
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30. Maybe they could show those funny college pranks from Abu Ghraib
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 07:47 PM by drscm
instead. I am sure those re rated G.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:45 PM
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31. At the bottom of every member ...
... of the religious right's insanity is complete sexual repression and its concommitant frustration.

Abortion, contraception, none of that crap is about babies, it is all about sex. They can't stand that people are having it, liking it, getting it good. They'd like to join the club but their inhibitions won't let them.

Well, not all of them. Their leaders seem to have a penchant for cheap hookers. :)
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:28 PM
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38. And yet...
they don't denounce conservative propaganda. If you don't like a film, don't see it. Protesting it like this is stupid. It's like, if you think Howard Stern is gross for the morning, all you have to do is turn the radio off, not sue him. If you're getting fat, maybe its you who has trouble, not the fast fdood restaraunt... yeesh.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:32 PM
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39. Maybe this will make it a hit!
Movies thrive on controversy. Maybe Liam Neeson and Laura Linney should start writing their Oscar acceptance speeches now.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:36 PM
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40. Ug. Sex bad. Sex people bad. Kill sex people. godgodgod
Everything enjoyable is bad. Anything enjoyable must be done for the glory of god. Even though that would lead one to believe god is bad, god is better than we can understand, which is why we understand him.
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blackowl Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:18 PM
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41. Well, he was funded by the Rockefellers
So the Nazi comparison isn't entirely spurious. And he was a good friend of American Nazi George Slyvester Viereck, as well as occultist filmmaker Kenneth Anger. And he was very fond of Aleister Crowley (once visiting the latter's Thelema Abbey) and his overtly Satanic philosophy. And he []was a eugenecist. And pedophile. Who did experiments on children.

But hey, if Hollywood can give De Sade a makeover, why not this creep?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:24 PM
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42. GAWD intended sex to be used for procreation, NOT for enjoyment!
Our moral values are under attack by the filthy liberals and their communist allies. That statue of a naked David by Michaelangelo has led to moral decay. Blah, blah, blah,.... (/sarcasm)

:evilgrin:
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:02 PM
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43. Anything that causes the US religious right to quack must be good
I hadn't planned to see Kinsey; now I'll at least read a review. Thanks for the tip, crazy ass Bible windbags!
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:24 PM
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44. As a Jew, I find Knight's statement repulsive.
It is a great dishonor and grievous insult to the Jewish people when radical right-wing groups use our suffering in order to promote their extremist agenda.
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