Kerry hints White House Run in his future: reports

[buckettgirl]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041109/pl_afp/us_politics_kerry

Kerry hints White House run in his future: reports

36 minutes ago Politics - AFP



WASHINGTON (AFP) - Defeated Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites) has dropped hints he may run for president in 2008, as glum party officials debated the way forward after last week's Republican sweep of elections for the White House and US Congress.

"Sometimes God tests you," an aide to the Massachusetts senator quoted Kerry as telling friends and supporters, the Washington Post reported. "I'm a fighter and I've come back before."


Kerry's younger brother Cameron told the Boston Globe newspaper the senator was "profoundly disappointed" about narrowly losing last week's election to President George W. Bush (news - web sites), and deems another attempt fully possible.


"That's conceivable," the paper quoted the brother as saying. "I don't know why that (last week's loss) should necessarily be it.


"I think it's too early to assess. But I think that he is going to continue to fight on for the values, ideals and issues this campaign is about," Cameron Kerry added.


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[livinbella]

1. forget it forget it forget it

forgotten

[Born Free]

41. I agree, Kerry should forget it...but

unless democrats can fix the voting system, no democratic candidate will ever win again - it's not the issues, they mean nothing it's how they count the votes.

[joeunderdog]

52. How about finishing the 2004 run?

If Shrub gets away with this FRAUD, they'll sow up the judiciary branch, the computer voting circuit and the Help America Vote scam by 2008, leaving ZERO chance for us to overthrow the dictator.

If not now, it's OVAH.

[goddess40]

133. If he doesn't finish this election - he won't get a second chance

the only way he will run in 2008 is as an incumbent. Otherwise why would we back a quitter, so he can turn the country over to the fascists again - I think not!

[BayStateBoy]

67. If Kerry Runs from the Recount Issue, He's Roadkill. Forget it.

[Kimber Scott]

90. So many fair-weather supporters around here. nt

[robbedvoter]

145. Au contraire. It's Kerry who is the fair weather candidate

No balloons and rah-rah, no action

124. EASE UP...IS IT KERRY'S FAULT IF THE ELECTION PROVES FRAUDULENT???

First of all- you guys need to quit this stuff and realize that maybe bigger things are at hand here. Kerry did not let anyone down...the system did. And, we are all out here trying to work together to figure this out. That is the Democratic way. Are you just gonna flee because the going is rough? Why do you not go for the job then?

Kerry cares about America...and we have to see this thing through. Are we going to put a new face out there, and have people complain that they do not know the new guy, and we still are not sure 2 weeks before the election. If we cannot unveil the vote fraud...then we work hard and make it a win the next time and fight hard in between. Are you gonna say to America that the Republicans will do for them what we can do?

Come on here...Kerry has been working for America for his whole life...the one who needed to build the waffle house was Bush. First he was a cheerleader, then an oilman, then a politicker', then that failed, so he went back to oil, then that failed so he bilked $848,000 on a Harken Energy insider trading deal while on the audit committee of Harken, then he bought a baseball team, the Republican's got wind of his "charms" and decided he was the voice for their cause...born again. So he goes to Texas and becomes Governor...I lived in TEXAS for 35 years...and let me tell you, I warned America...he will do to us what he did for them...zippo!

Well, John Kerry had worked his way up and for us folks! We may have well won this...and we need time to find out. If Hillary Clinton runs, she is a pro, but alot of Dems and Reps alike do not like her, and unfortunately, if she does run, we will all have to rehash all the Clinton stuff all over again. John Edwards is great, but he needs a little more time...and being the VP is great place to get that experience. We have to realize that at this time in history, that John Kerry is our BEST BET! He has the most foreign policy experience and we definitely need that. He has been in many areas of the government that have gleaned him insight into the workings of the government. We need someone with that knowledge.

WE Cannot abandon him just because you feel he let us down...he did not. He did what he did because...at the time...the evidence was not there sufficiently to question the votes. Much has been discovered since then. So Let up, and realize he was trying to do the right thing...he wanted to believe that everything was kosher. He gained the most votes that any Democrat ever has. He motivated the people. Have you ever had so many actually grieve over a lost chance for the presidency like this? NO!

This crap that he did not have a message just burns me up. I am tired of hearing about it because if you or anyone else out there cannot see he stood for AMERICA and the values we all seek, then you are all blind. It is tough to play the game and try to speak the truth...many do not and did not want to believe it, more than 50 million did not believe it. They are the fools. This man SEES the big picture and was trying to help US to see it too. HE is for all of us...not just the powerful and the rich. He sees the dangers, the inherent sinisterness of the Patriot Act undermining our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, and our Country.

We have to stand up and be proud that he did stand up for us. He is the most qualified for the job ar present and will still be so in 4 more years. He has tremendous political clout. He has great honor and volunteered to serve 2x no matter what anyone says. George was not even patriotic to serve in Texas. These are not lies...merely fact.

So...stop the whining and work together or else we lose it all. Either we stick together and see the big picture here...or we lose everything...and I mean everything. We are at the critical point in our history...and we fight and stand up for our beliefs, our vote, and our honor, and congratulate the man for giving it his all. It is easy to gripe when you are not the one doing the fighting. John Kerry wants what we want.

Let's work together and achieve that. He has not given up, even though you may think so. Sometimes, if we pray for miracles, we get miracles. Maybe this is a way to unveil the untruths that so many have tried to make apparent. Things are being done to undermine our Republic. Think about that. Work to undo that. That is the most productive thing we can all do. If we give up and whine...we are lost. Forever! God Bless America and Defend Lady Liberty!
GGiles

[Mira]

143. Wonderful Oratory BUT

Kerry is still missing - and that is not OK with me
at this point I consider it abandonment

[greenohio]

137. We need another Bill Clinton

A DLC/ centeter left Democrat who isn't from the coasts.

[Selwynn]

165. Why? So we can win and be wrong and do the wrong things.

The politics of centrism are morally abhorrant to me. There is no "New Democract," compromising, republican-lite stance which I can even remotely support. They betray every right princple of liberalism, which are in fact the princles that informed the shaping of this once great nation.

The last thing we need is more of the compromising surrender of all the things we know to be right. Bill Clinton's policies of centrism were mostly awful and had to do with winning for the sake of winning. I don't care about winning if we're not going to stand for anything right when we do win.

[Ima]

157. That would be '2little..2late'

His day in the sun came, and has went. He is now unelectable. He is not a come back kid, he has lost to much of his base.

[xxqqqzme]

2. been there, done that

ain't gonna happen again

[kysrsoze]

65. Yeah, thanks but no thanks. It was a good run, but....

mistakes were made and no one will forget his loss. He wasn't my first choice anyway.

[reprobate]

141. I think he wasn't ANYONE's first choice.

In fact I just can't come up with how he made the top of the ticket. The last thing I remember Dean was assasinated by the media, and suddenly Kerry was the front runner. Who put him there? I think it wasn't the working slob democrat.

[kysrsoze]

144. Exactly. They crucified Dean, who was my first choice then...

followed closely by Clark. If anyone will save this party, it's these two guys.

[Shelby C]

147. Let it go, John...

I'm with you. Don't think those Swifties will go away, it'll be more of the same. We need someone who can "appeal" to the South like Clinton did. That's the only way.

[zappaman]

3. Fool me once...

shame on you.

Fool me twice..and...uh...it's shameful or something...

[bemildred]

4. Well, the Republicans will need a loyal candidate in 2008 ... nt

[vet_against_Bush]

5. I got your back John! Kerry supporter checks in..

[Lizzie Borden]

75. I wouldn't cout him out.

[LisaL]

6. Oh well.

Maybe he will make sure every vote counts in 2008.
:eyes:

[City Lights]

15. LOL!

My thoughts exactly. There is no way I'll back him again if he doesn't do something about evoting. Soon.

[gatorboy]

7. I think 2008 will be a good year...

The Republican party has become greedy and arrogant. I'm sure they'll have one official guy running in 2008 but I think a few other Repugs will be running their own large campaigns for presidency and end up eating each ther alive , splitting the Conservative vote.

[springhill]

47. Oh please........

You really think they are going to allow a democrat to be president. You have to be kidding me. Let's see, by the time 2008 comes pretty much all the country will have electronics voting, yeh right, the democrats just need a good candidate.

[lefthandedskyhook]

149. If it isn't close, they can't steal it

We must slay the evil giant somehow.

[springhill]

153. Whether by fraud or martial law.......

They are not about to give up power. You should have seen Grover Noraquist talking with Bill Moyers. There is no way in hell these people are going to turn over the government to a "liberal" when they are getting just what they have always wanted. This is not about winning elections anymore. Democrats are just like little lap dogs and muisances to them. Geez, they haven't been including democrats in their meetings for the last four years, what do you think the next four will be like. They don't want a democratic party. They are not going to give up power.

[HereSince1628]

8. Somehow I just don't think that is in the cards.

[blm]

9. Good. That means a permanent campaign against Bush for the next 4 years.

That will make the dictatortot squirm.

[robbedvoter]

11. yeay! we get to throw spitballs from the back seat!

Democrats are like castrated animals
As soon as they get used to their permanent minority status they'll start behaving themselves and not go around peeing on the furniture and acting up.
Grover Norquist -NOW, Nov 5 2004

[robbedvoter]

10. AAR 3 o clock news: Kerry to us: shut up about voter fraud!

" Kerry continues to discourage speculations that he was defeated because of voting fraud"

[Seabiscuit]

20. Oh, shut up, JK. No one's listening to you anymore, you spineless dog.

[leftynyc]

27. With all due respect

Until you are willing to put your life on the line in battle, open up your past and those of your family for any yahoo to look in and scrutinize, I don't think you have any right to call Senator Kerry spineless.

[Seabiscuit]

87. With all due respect

you don't know me or anything about my life, so don't lecture me about personal matters. You have know idea what I've lived through or what I've done with my life.

KERRY QUIT ON US NOVEMBER 3, 2004, a day that will "live in infamy". He broke his solumn vow to us, his supporters, who voted for him to "fight until every vote is counted". Now we're seeing evidence pour in of a massive voter fraud occurring on November 2, and Kerry is AWOL!

I therefore have EVERY right to call Kerry "spineless". He not only betrayed our trust November 3, he betrayed our trust in October, 2002 when after arguing alongside Senator Kennedy AGAINST the IWR, he quitely voted FOR it. And his argument in defense of that vote is what probably cost us this election - it never made any sense. And when given the opportunity, long after it was absolutely clear that NONE of the justifications the Bushistas put forward for invading Iraq had any validity at all (no WMD, no ties to Al Queda, no threat, no imminent threat, no ties to 9-11), that "spineless wimp" Kerry said that even with the benefit of such hindsight he STILL would have voted in favor of the IWR.

So you can thank Kerry for four more years of Bush, thank you very much.

[TankLV]

105. As a voter, he/she/we sure do!

He wasn't my first or third choice, but I rallied behind him "for the good of the party".

Slow to respond and FIGHT the Swift boat liars.
Unwilling to call a liar a liar.
Voted for the illegal war.
Against gay marriage - "let the states outlaw it" is his only defense.
For continuing the Iraq war.

I could go on.

Bah!

Good riddance.

[smirkymonkey]

91. Thank you! I get more and more disgusted by him daily.

Where does he think he's going to get his support from - all the Republicans he's pandered to over the last year?

[killbotfactory]

31. Quit crying in your teacups

:eyes:

[Wind Dancer]

45. Yes, Kerry has made us all proud!

Conceded without all the votes being counted.

[Kat 333]

117. It would seem that of all John Kerry's strong points

what will, most, be remembered was his ability to disappear when it proved convenient. Never mind the millions of people who gave so much of themselves - time, money, energy, Whatever -

GO AWAY John Kerry. I notice it's one of the things you do best.

[Straight Shooter]

12. Fix 2004 or forget 2008

This is not directed at John Kerry. This is a message to the entire Democratic Party and any conservatives who give a rat's patooie anymore about what it means to be an American with any rights at all.

Until we fix the problems instead of fixing elections, we're at the mercy of those who stoop to conquer.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

109. The voting irregularities are being pursued

Even if they are dealt with they are not goingto change this election.

I'm every bit as pissed off as you are about 4 more years of Bush. At this point I'm more concerned how we stop * from doing further damage.

[Democat]

13. I want Kerry to fight Bush for the next four years, but...

I can't imagine him running again and getting the nomination.

Four years is a long time, though. Let's see how he stands up to Bush in that time.

[54anickel]

34. I agree with you on that comment. Can't imagine it now, but 4 years

is a long time. See how he handles Bush and what shakes out in the mean time.

[Emillereid]

14. I won't ride that wimpy donkey ever again --

So Listen Up Kerry -- Forget about it! You weren't the candidate I would have picked, but I gave you everything -- I worked day and night for the last several months to get your sorry ass elected and you wimped out before every vote was counted or accounted for. If you really want another chance in 2008 -- you'd better get off your ass now and lead the the fight to expose the 2004 FRAUD NOW!!

[Kitsune]

16. Not just no, but HELL NO.

If you don't give a shit about my vote in this election, John, why should I give it to you again next time around?

[JaneQPublic]

17. To quote Kerry supporters on the prospect of a Gore 04 run:

He had his chance and he blew it. He needs to step aside and give someone else a chance... someone who's electable.

[Harlan James]

18. Don't Fucking Bother

His capitulation in 2004 should make any such run impossible.

[Seabiscuit]

19. "I'm a fighter...."???? Uh, no... John... you're a QUITTER!!!

Please - don't "...come back..." Just GO AWAY!

Oh yeah, Cameron, "he is going to continue to fight on..." my ass. He's AWOL, asshole, he quit when we needed him to fight, and we don't want or need spineless wimps like him - all talk, no action.

[high density]

21. Kerry just had his chance against the worst president in recent history

Now he doesn't want to even investigate rather obvious fraud after begging for months for contributions to his GELAC fund. I want somebody that is going to fight for me as president, like Kerry said he was going to!

[Seabiscuit]

23. He owes all of us who contributed tot hat fund a REFUND!

[greekspeak]

22. Great! Maybe next time he can concede even BEFORE election day

"After seeing the Baker County, Florida early vote totals, Presidential candidate John Kerry conceded the election to JEB Bush."

Or

"John Kerry's hopes of becoming the next president of the United States were crushed today as a constitutional ammendment made George W. Bush President for Life passed in Alaska, the 38th state to ratify the ammendment."

[Eloriel]

24. He can go Cheney himself

He'll never get another chance to get my vote. Never.

[THUNDER HANDS]

25. I'd like to see him at least try

For one thing, all those smears against him will be useless, since we heard them already.

The 2008 race, if it is Kerry vs. someone else will be an example of the known vs. the unknown, with Kerry serving as the defacto-incumbant.

If Guliani runs, being from the Northeast becomes less of an issue.

Kerry is very good at learning from his mistakes. His biggest mistake was not having an overreaching theme to his candidacy. He has four years to think up one and knowing his intellect, will probably come up with something good.

He's proven to be an excellent fundraiser, and going up against an unknown GOP candidate, will have a chance to out-raise him by a large margin.

I say get in the game John, and test yourself against a Mark Warner or a Evan Bayh and see how good you do.

[Lizzie Borden]

76. I think so too.

[LibDemAlways]

26. Sen. Kerry, millions of Americans

are "profoundly disappointed".....in you. Capitulating to a bunch of rightwing thugs before the votes were even counted. Not a peep about fraud or disenfranchised voters. If you were a fighter, you'd be fighting.

I sent money that could have gone to pay bills. What do I and millions of other have to show for their efforts on your behalf? Four more years of the worst nightmare in American history.

You are toying with the idea of running again? Good luck. The repukes could run David Duke and he'd beat you. If you don't actively work to expose the fraud now, Dems can forget about even running a candidate. Why waste the time and money on a foregone conclusion.

[LittleClarkie]

120. And you are in touch with these millions?

You sound like John O'Neill saying he represents millions of veterans all of whom hated Kerry.

The worst backlash against Kerry I've witnessed is at DU. Otherwise, within the rank and file voters I know, there is little or none. Few think he had a choice, even those who know in their hearts that there is fraud.

I think many of his voters will vote for him again, esp. if he makes good on fighting Bush in the meantime.

And I will be there for sure. Kerry 2008.

Damaged good my fanny. This is what's wrong with us. We don't stand behind anything. We don't have to reframe ourselves. We don't have to figure out how to get the religious vote. We just have to be bolder about standing up for OUR values.

Well, I'm standing behind John Kerry. He's still a good man in my book.

[LibDemAlways]

136. I never said Kerry was a bad person....

just a disappointment. Apparently all those "you have my back" statements were so much hot air. The more Dems remain quiet and not challenge the results, the more emboldened the repukes become to think of new and better ways to cheat.

And just because you don't personally know millions of disgusted voters doesn't mean they aren't out there.

[JNelson6563]

28. Oh please, NO!

He's proven who and what he is. No need to watch that movie again.

Julie

[Pastiche423]

29. Whatever for?

Why back a quiter?

[killbotfactory]

30. Thanks for losing to the worst President in US history.

Oh, you want to face off against a different republican in 2008?

Okay then.

Don't call us, we'll call you.

[bluedog]

32. Kerry.please do fight!

get a paper trail for voting machines.......start health care for the good old U.S.A............try to stop outsourcing.......knock the GMA out the door.and off the SAenate floor......clean up the planet.........get something done.........stand up for Americans this way and we shall see how we react to you in the coming years........you do for us.we may do for you......

[dkofos]

33. He should still be fighting. (the PUSSY)

[are_we_united_yet]

101. Kerry

is not a PUSSY. Everybody here is ticked. Many don't want him to run again. But he is NOT a PUSSY.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

35. You've got to hand it to him

It's not even a week after the losing the election, and here he is, already getting together to lose the next one. My only hope is that he'll pick Hillary as his running mate so we can get her out of the way too.

[Khephra]

36. I found it hard to get excited about Kerry

But I did--and I pushed him as a candidate to everyone I knew.

Kerry managed to give up in less time than it took LIEBERMAN to give up!

Electable my ass. Strong finisher my ass.

Kerry won't get one minute or one dollar from me should he try to run again.

[Yavin4]

37. Hey Kerry, Just Concede 2008 Now And Save Us The Time and Trouble

Will he bring Bob "Mr. Concession Speech" Shrum along for the ride again?

[mortimer_az]

38. Kerry in 2008

If Kerry is willing to retract his "concession" and fight for this election before the December electoral vote, I'd give him 4 more years in 2008!

[Lorien]

39. So he can concede the instant the Diebold machines steal it

AGAIN? Fuck that!

[leftchick]

40. What fucking GALL!

The nerve of him!!!! omg he makes me sick... :puke:

[Q]

42. Someone needs to tell Kerry he was an ABB candidate...

...and since Bush* can't run again in 2008...we'll be looking elsewhere.

[LittleClarkie]

154. Dat you, Rush?

He may have started out that way, but if he ended up that way then quite a few people here on DU were talking out their butts.

I think when you get away from the political junkies, there are a decent number of people who thought he was a good man, still have good feelings about him, and would vote for him again if he were the candidate. More have good feelings for him in my immediate area than they do Hillary, that's for sure.

If he runs again, and doesn't get the nomination, then fine. We shall see. Who knows what's going to happen between now and then and who is going to impress us.

And I think we could have another "Anybody But Bush" situation in 2008 if Jeb decides to run. Not another Bush, please!

[Catchawave]

43. To paraphrase another Du'er....

I'll just support the Republican candidate then, which would save me time and money.

[Chimpanzee]

164. Plus which - we'd all be WINNERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[donkeyotay]

44. It's now or never for Kerry and the dem dem dem party

While you ponder your options, Kerry, remember that many of us out here were counting on you to give us hope. Personally, the lack of health insurance just became acute. I was holding on hoping that you meant all those things you said, not that it was just some parlor game for you.

Hope is on the way.

Help is on the way.

Oops, wrong, never mind.

[buckettgirl]

46. You people make me sick

The way all of you talk, you are no better than the bush-loving fundies!
Kerry could not do right by anyone! If he were voted in, half the country would hate him, and you guys would still manage to find problems with him. He attempted to do an honorable thing - and yes I am angered that he conceeded so soon - but all you can do is call him a pussy.
Frankly, I am admired at the strength it took for him and John Edwards to fight the Bush administration.
I like most of Kerry's policies, although in some instances he is too centrist for me - but if he ran again, he'd have my vote.
Yes, I think he conceeded to soon. However, I AM NOT HIM! This wasn't "our" choice to make. We don't know what was really going on and are in no position to criticize his actions. That doesn't mean that we bend over and take it! NO! It means that we move and do what we need to do to prove voter fraud, to spread liberal ideology, to protest, to do anything we need to do to change to attitude of this country.
Sitting here whinning and crying about how much YOU hate John Kerry for conceeding and for criticizing his judgement and his actions makes you NO BETTER than right wing fundamentalists criticizing abortion and gay rights.
For God and Goddess's sake people! Get out and start doing something to pro-actively create change! or shut up!

[CalProf]

48. Here here, Bucketgirl

Had eighty thousand votes in Ohio gone the other way, all the above backstabbers would be claiming credit for putting Kerry over the top.

Now, they bray for blood.

That says much more about their character than Kerry's.

[bluedog]

51. don't think thats the problem here

the problem is that Kerry said every vote would be counted.......and no they have not counted every vote.....many ballots are out...and machines are screwed up............until we get to the bottom of this it will happen all over again.........and we think he let us down by not following through with the vote issue........

[StrongbadTehAwesome]

85. exactly!

they said time and again that they'd make sure every vote would count, and asked for donations SPECIFICALLY for a special fund to make that happen (to which I contributed). I'd be one of Kerry's biggest supporters had he chosen to keep fighting, but now I'm just asking, "What the hell were you planning to use that $50 I really couldn't afford to give you FOR if not for this?"

And to paraphrase a fictional president on behalf of all who contributed money to the GELAC fund, "Can we have it back, please?"

[phasev]

135. Flip Flop is running away with your money.

First he figured that if he married a wealthy woman he would be wealthy. Check.

Then he figured campaign donations for his bid for presidency would make him wealthier. Check.

I donated alot of money to this guy and I even donated money so that he could make sure that every vote counted. Now he's laughing his way to the bank.

[LittleClarkie]

155. Yah, that mortgaged house sure put him in the black

and the prenup he has with the Missus means it ain't his money.

Great. Kerry's not Gore. Kerry's Dole instead.

What did I tell you people. ABB was not enough. Running against someone didn't work for Dole.

It's disheartening to see people on this side of the political fence repeating RNC talking points about our guy. Shit, no wonder.

[Chimpanzee]

166. Where's Bubs?

[robbedvoter]

148. The "backstabbers" still claim credit - they DID put Kerry over the top

He won. They stole it. he rolled over.

[Yavin4]

54. Kerry NEVER Took The Diebold Issue Seriously

throughout his campaign, and it bit him squarely in the ass. Sorry, if the Dems are going to run again, they'd better settle the Diebold issue or they're going to get really good at concession speeches.

[sadiesworld]

55. WORST. ANALOGY. EVER.

Criticism of Kerry's "choice" to concede before the votes were counted is analogous to the fundies' criticism of abortion and gay rights???!!!!

:wtf:

[buckettgirl]

56. Apparently you didn't really read what I wrote

As I stated:
"This wasn't "our" choice to make. We don't know what was really going on and are in no position to criticize his actions. That doesn't mean that we bend over and take it!"
"Sitting here whinning and crying about how much YOU hate John Kerry for conceeding and for criticizing his judgement and his actions makes you NO BETTER than right wing fundamentalists criticizing abortion and gay rights."

Fundies criticize what they don't understand and what they believe to be immoral.
The analogy is more than fair: all of those whinning about Kerry and HIS judgement call, when we have no clue what happened, what was going to happen or what position in he was in, makes us ignorant of the situation.
Therefore it is being just as bad as fundies when you criticize and judge something you don't know about. YOu don't know what was going on any better than I do. I am not happy about what happened by any means. We are in no position to criticize what we don't know!

[sadiesworld]

64. Someone else's choices about marriage and reproduction?

NOT MY BUSINESS.
Kerry conceding before the votes are counted?
MY BUSINESS.

[buckettgirl]

68. what don't you get?????

your business or not is irrelevant: YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CRITICIZE WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT!
We only see a very small portion of the picture... we don't have all the information or facts to even begin to make a judgement.
When emotions get involved, people point the finger and blame others for what they don't understand. That is inherently wrong no matter who you are and what you stand for.

[Name removed]

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[Chimpanzee]

167. Well then why the FFFF can't he give us a goddam speech

and clear up our 'confusion'. He has remained MUM, except when he told us to 'shut up' about voter fraud'. He must have been payed off.

[IndianaGreen]

121. fight the Bush administration?

Frankly, I am admired at the strength it took for him and John Edwards to fight the Bush administration.

What part of PATRIOT Act, Iraq War Resolution, Iraq invasion, same sex marriage rights, and pro-Sharon foreign policy did Kerry or Edwards fight?

For God and Goddess's sake people! Get out and start doing something to pro-actively create change! or shut up!

We did that already when many of us volunteered for voter registration drives, phone banks, and drove people to the polls to vote for a candidate that would throw in the towel despite thousands of votes yet to be counted.

[buckettgirl]

152. well you're not finished!

You can't stop fighting just because you're pissed.
Stop whining about Kerry and start doing something.
I'm not trying to discount everyone's effort before the election, but just because things have happened as they have doesn't mean that we stop trying to create change. It wouldn't matter if Kerry did take office, we still need to try to create change in the attitude of 59 million Americans.
Nothing gets done when people sit around and cry in their beer.
If you aren't going to try to fight for your country then shut up!
It's redundant, we have all felt that way, we have all been emotional. Nothing gets accomplished when we get emotional and fail to remain objective about the situation.

As for Kerry and Edwards fighting Bush... I was more referring to the actual campaign, because even for as dumb as * is, half of America still loves him and hates everyone that supported Kerry and Kerry himself. That takes alot of personal strength to fight against. If you don't like what Kerry supported as a senator, then you shouldn't have supported him.

[bunkerbuster1]

132. Get outa my head!

I've been wanting to bitch-slap some DUers lately. And that's all I'll say about that. I'm grateful to Kerry for the worh he did for us, and I'll continue to support him. Period.

[LynnTheDem]

49. Too late.

Kerry had his chance.

[Carni]

50. Hey John! Rove and Diebold don't ="God"

Why don't you give *finishing the run in this election cycle* a chance?

[alexisfree]

53. Senator ...Kerry we really respect you but...

stay away from the Whitehouse... it Will be hard not to break the people's hopes all over again...

[opihimoimoi]

57. Common Sense and Reality/Sanity sez, hold on..... might there be someone

better? More ELECTABLE perhaps?

Only time will tell to see what emerges....and the start is NOW...not wait till 2006 to begin...

[Malva Zebrina]

58. I remember Kerry saying, some time before the campaign

or the primaries that we should get over it--re the stolen 2000 election. I did not mention it during the campaign here because it would not have been accepted. Does anyone else remember that? It was posted on DU at that time.

I don't think a second Kerry campaign and promises of being a fighter will mean much to me. Promises, promises.

[Amigust]

95. "Stop crying in your teacups. ... Get over it."

Re Election 2000 Theft:

He is impatient with Democratic oratory about the "stolen" election. "Stop crying in your teacups," he told one audience. "It isn't going to change. Get over it."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/129019_joel02.html

[robbedvoter]

150. Here's the quote (pissed at myself vor voting for him anyway):

Famous last words
He is impatient with Democratic oratory about the "stolen" election.
"Stop crying in your teacups, It isn't going to
change. Get over it."

John Kerry, campaign July2003
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/129019_joel02.html

[alexisfree]

59. He is done! He is a flip flopper !!!

He flipped flop on "help is on the way", He flip flop on we will fight, we will not give up on the election, loser gave up....We need someone with BALLS to run maybe Jesse Ventura, Howard Dean. Someone that is not associated with the New World Order . .....I bet the flip flopper even got toghether with Bush to break the spirit of the American People....Long Live the Real United States of America.....Not the fake New World Order that bush and tony blair want to create.

[DemCam]

70. Let's just all join the Republican Party right now!

That way we can be on a winning side...we can have a candidate that isn't a flipflopper, we can have a candidate who is consistant, we can have a candidate who's a figher and never backs down and never sees anything but black and white.

Let's just start working on that amendment now so W can succeed himself. Bring him one, baby!

(throwing up over this thread)

[smirkymonkey]

92. And for god's sake, NO SKULL & BONES!

[reprobate]

142. "got toghether with Bush"....That's going a bit far, but I DO believe..

...that the dem party leadership has become so much a part of the wealthy elite that there ain't a nickel's worth of difference between them and the repugs in who they identify with. It's sure not the working people of this country.

How in the HELL did they pick a MEMBER or the power elite to run against the repugs? That is sure to get the people on our side, right? And they DID pick him because he was a back runner until Dean was assassinated by the media. Who here was a supporter before that point?

I've been a dem since the 1964 Johnson/Goldwater campaign and for the first time I'm beginning to believe that the party is functionaly dead. There will be no comeback until the leadership is replaced with people from the grass roots. People who still have the fire in their heart. People who will stand up and speak truth to power. Kerry is part of that power, and has been for three decades.

[denverbill]

60. He'll have to beat Dukakis, Mondale, Gore, and Carter in the primary first

But I'm sure the DLC will give us someone equally compelling.

[MeanAndGreen]

61. We tried it your way now it's time to move left

I recall reading here on DU in the last years that this was the DNC last chance. Now we are free to promote truly liberal and progressive ideas that will lead America into the future with the EU and other left-leaning countries. This time we will sweep America with an honest Progressive that is not a war monger.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

96. We tried it your way now it's time to move left?

Typical greenie logic. This was the closest race for war time ever.

Did you actually support Kerry? I doubt it.

[TankLV]

107. No - it's the TRUTH!

Choice between a repuke and repuke-lite - and Kerry was oh so "nuanced" in his support for states to ban gay marriage and continue the damn Iraq war EVEN THO HE NOW KNOWS THE LIES - the real repuke will win every time.

Time to get back to the "base" - be a true opposition party instead of a bunch of "me toos".

[MeanAndGreen]

128. I voted for Kerry and sent him money but no support in my heart

We agreed to back the Democrat this time. Now it's time to go for a real progressive candidate that will stand for the people.

[Carolab]

62. PROFOUNDLY DISAPPOINTED?

told the Boston Globe newspaper the senator was "profoundly disappointed"

HE'S "profoundly disappointed"????

Hey, Senator Kerry, join the crowd. WE are profoundly disappointed in the Democratic National Party "leadership", and especially in you for conceding. We apparently can't count on you to fight for us, after all. So why should we fight for you?

[yankeefanatic3]

63. No Surrender!

[hippiechick]

66. Fool me once ....

Yeah, we know how that one goes ...

Thanks for putting up such a fight for everyone who bared their soul and worked their fingers to the nub for you, Senator ... :eyes:


:hippie:

[Lone Pawn]

69. Thank God he conceded

It would have turned a hell of a lot of people against us otherwise. We lost the election, guys. We don't have any conclusive proof of fraud--nothing that could lead the nightly news. Nothing that they can't spin away. And therefore nothing that would give us the popular opinion. And if Kerry were to sue his way into the Oval Office, he'd have pissed everyone but the Democratic base off. People didn't want another fiasco. And if JK put the country through three months of hell for a one-in-a-million long shot, he'd have stained the Dems as "crybabies" and "sore losers"--not just in Freeperville, but in the mainstream, too.

Look, I'm depressed he lost. We're all depressed he lost. But rather than getting angry at JK for failing to pathetically fight on, we should start thinking about how to kick the right's ass next time.

[Amigust]

82. There is no credible next time if Grover Norquist has his way (and he all

too often does) if this stolen election is not returned to the rightful winner THIS time.

With continued unchallenged concentration on reshaping the countless little cogs that actually run the political machinery of America, the GOP will try to ensure that, just as they can now fix an election with apparent impunity, the Democratic party is gutted of its essential support.

Read Grover Norquist's boastful plans for us if the GOP has four more years, then try to laugh it off, calling him just a crazy fool.

[mountainvue]

104. First of all

it was Bush who sued his way into the White House, not Gore.

[Lone Pawn]

113. Truth doesn't matter. Public perception does.

eom

[TankLV]

108. I agree. We had a case in 2000, but NO ONE but us here believes in the

"fraud" line.

Just not gonna happen.

We didn't do ANYTHING in 2000 when it was PROVEN and BLATENT.

No demonstrations, no-one to support the black caucus. NOTHING.

Now it MAY have occurred, but it was well hidden if it was, and no one will believe anyone who says different.

[Flammable Materials]

71. You could have had THIS one, John, if you had just FOUGHT for it.

Instead you rolled over on us.

You rolled over and died.

Fool me once, shame on you.

[jbm]

72. I still think Kerry would make an excellent president...

He didn't change who he was just cause of how the election turned out. If he runs again, he can count on my total support.

[happynewyear]

73. My message to John Kerry

FIGHT YOU ASSHOLE! You won the damn election and now you are pontificating about 2008? :wtf:

Jesus, Mary & Joseph you idiot!

:kick:

[schrodinger_I]

74. New Campaign Slogan!

Votes count in every state in 2008!

[Khephra]

131. With the small print saying

"Except where void by republican politicians and laws."

[Chimpanzee]

168. What percentage of votes will count in 2008??

[Bread and Circus]

77. Kerry won't get any love here. Sorry but he lost to an idiot.

Fraudulently or not, he doesn't deserve another chance.

[Dr Fate]

78. If he starts telling it like it is, I'll gladly support him.

That goes for all Democrats from now on.

[angel823]

83. I agree

Just be straight and tell us like it is. Appeal to our base and don't be afraid. I'm here to stay and here to fight for the rights of all.

[TomNickell]

79. Somehow, I thought this was a Democrat board.....

Guess I was wrong.

Sounds like a fundie Stolen Election Conspiracy Hobbyist Board now.

What a waste.

[robbedvoter]

80. We call it "Democratic"....unlike you. Party name and all that.

[RyomaSakamoto]

84. no lock-stepping here with our 'leaders'

thats the OTHER board you're looking for, enjoy ;->

[Chimpanzee]

169. I think it's so funny that the pubes won't call it the Democratic

party - it has to be the Democrat party. It might draw too much attention to the fact that they don't have an ounce of 'democratic' ideals'. I think I'll start calling it the 'Republic party'.

[ramapo]

81. Don;t bother asking me for money

Once was enough for me...I feel like I made a bad investment...hopefully we can do better in '08.

[candy331]

86. Who does he think will support him, sorry this loss is the only shot

you get John, hang up your hat you want need it anymore.

[Salluc]

88. Anyone else here for the protests before the Repub Convention?

One of the things that was fantastically striking to me was there we all were, all 500,000 of us, marching up 6th Avenue here in New York and during those loooong hours, I think I saw two Kerry buttons. All week long, there were numerous other marches throughout the city and people were marching about issues, not for the Democratic candidate.

And so many of those people were young and pissed off and Democrats just weren't speaking to them. In the same way that Detroit can count on their grandparents to buy Buicks, we were counting on them voting for us. But here's the problem, we just failed them all day long and every which way.

They needed us to talk about justice and the environment and every single thing the * administration has done to screw young people, disenfranchised people, poor people and "minorities" -- we were so busy courting Red states, we didn't pay a moment's attention to the plaintive marching, dancing and drum beating of flesh-and-blood people looking for a champion.

As Democrats, we have, have, have to stop being your father's Buick.

[DubyaSux]

89. Kerry/Gore in 2008?

....nah....:)

[Chico Man]

93. Oh my gawd no

That is a third strike I do not want to see, ever.

[Patriot Acts]

94. wow... this election is not even offical yet!

"Well, the Republicans will need a loyal candidate in 2008."

I second that! No thanks Mr. Kerry... you threw the towl in WAY too quickly!

If Dean skipped the part about media reform... he would be getting ready to take his place in the Oval office today.

[goforit]

97. The fact that he chose to concede to Bush who stole the election,.......

shows that he is not willing to fight for the true majority!!!

Ya just don't keep getting silver spoon chances.

[iamjoy]

98. No 2nd Chance, Still...Stop Bashing Kerry!

Good grief, how quickly we have turned to eat our own. Never thought this might play into the GOP hands? Were we really united by our distate for Bush more than our Democratic values?

Kerry was not my first choice. I thought he lacked charisma and his Senate career had left the Republicans too much fodder. Working on the campaign though, I saw how genuinely he cared about people and our nation. But above it all, Kerry is not a fighter, he is far too too much of a politican. In a purely pragmatic way, his conceding was the sensible thing to do. He would have made an excellent president, a far better healer and uniter than the current man in the Oval Office, but it is precisely those characteristics which led him to concede.

But no, he doesn't deserve another shot. He is not the best campaigner - he could not connect with the American people. What would he do, come back in 4 years and go I told you so? Yeah, like that'll win over voters.

[Chimpanzee]

170. Like I said - I just want to here him address our concerns

[leesa]

99. No. He left us in the lurch. I thought ALL the votes would be counted,

Mr Skull and Bones.

[Neshanic]

100. "Sometimes God tests you".....Had to get that in there didn't they?

[mountainvue]

102. Well John,

if you don't want to look into voter fraud, I have to assume you don't have my back. So don't expect me to vote for you in 2008.

[Clarkie1]

103. America doesn't vote for wannabe loser- Keep your dignity, Mr. Kerry

I can't pretend to be enthusiastic about another career politician again. If Kerry runs again I will not campaign for him because he will have no chance. America will just see him as a wannabe loser. I hope he doesn't run again, because I have gained a lot of respect for him, but he would lose that respect if he subjected the country once again to his candidacy, however heartfelt.

[NEDem]

111. Just like Reagan and Nixon. Boy they didn't have a chance??

Bullshit, Kerry would have as good a chance as anyone. He'll have to make it through the primary, but I'd get behind him again. Look at it this way, for all this shit they threw at him, nothing stuck, nothing even came close to making him 'damaged goods.'

[Seabiscuit]

112. Nothing stuck????

What asteroid have you been living on this year?

[Clarkie1]

119. He is damaged goods

This isn't what I think of Kerry, but it's won't too much of America thinks of him

He has a big "loser" stamped on his forward. America likes winners.

He's the liberal career politician who will do and say anything to be president.

The flip-flop label DID stick.

[imaginary girl]

110. What if

They weren't talking about 2008? Was there a date in the original piece? Seems to me some of those quotes could be taken another way ... that he's still fighting in this election ...

Just a possibility ...

[Soup Bean]

114. No thank you.

Thanks for the help, John, but I'd just as soon have someone else this time. We do appreciate you, though.

[IndianaGreen]

115. "Sometimes God tests you"

"Sometimes God tests you," an aide to the Massachusetts senator quoted Kerry as telling friends and supporters, the Washington Post reported. "I'm a fighter and I've come back before."


Kerry wants to become a modern version of perennial GOP presidential candidate Harold Stassen. Apparently the Almighty has told him so. Go ahead, become a Democratic Stassen!

[2Design]

116. won't get my vote - he gave up on us when we needed him to

count all votes in all states - go pound sand - we need someone with a voice and spine and someone who is against war no matter what -!!!!!!!

[hangloose]

118. Perhaps one some could forward this post with all our opinions

to Mr. Kerry. And ask him to respond with reasons we should continue to support his ambitions.

I would vote for him again if his would join our struggle to make very vote count as cast.

[area51]

122. Kerry

Say, here's an idea, JK. Why don't you fight for the White House that you already won. You won't get my $ or my vote next time, you lying ("we'll make sure every vote counts") quitter.

[Sven77]

123. bonesman against bonesman

bonesman against bonesman, never again. we need real candidates, not fake blockers. he folded like a cheap card table the next day and conceded with all the voter fraud. we need candidates willing to fight and stop being republican lite. we need a anti-war candidate, that was not kerry.

[JSJ]

125. sorry, bub, you had your run- now, how about being a good dlc'er

...and going and fucking yourself- bonehead.

[d_b]

126. I'd vote for him in 08

[crickets]

127. How much of this is real?

"I think it's too early to assess. But I think that he is going to continue to fight on for the values, ideals and issues this campaign is about," Cameron Kerry added. (bold added by me)

In reading the article, I got the impression that I was seeing a hodge-podge of statements, many with little or questionable context. Call me crazy, but I see spin. I don't know what to think about the "Kerry 2008" BS. I wonder who is REALLY floating that idea. Do you trust the mainstream press? I don't. I'm completely confused by reading that article, which gives me a clue about how well written it was. Not. I do know one thing: these days, I take every single corporate media source with a huge grain of salt.

I've turned off my television, with the exception of Olberman and Jon Stewart. I don't think it's a huge leap to ignore Yahoo! news.

After the electors have voted a month from now and the votes have been read and certified, I might take this story seriously. Today? No.

[ElectroPrincess]

129. No way ... I personally dropped 100 bucks on you QUITTER!

Many of my friends gave $200 +. For what? You to roll over. I will always wonder if you were not always part of "the deal" with the power elite.

And DLC don't even THINK about running that democratic traitor Donna Brazille for president of your council. I felt physically ill as she fawned and gushed over KKKarl Rove as "the master" of political spin. KKKarl Rove is moral *scum* who starts racist whisper campaigns in the south. Up until that point, I highly admired Donna Brazille and even showed my 10 year old daughter information about her positions. NO MORE! Donna Brazille is a wolf in sheep's clothing, just another immoral pansy ... a tool (straight-woman) to enable the effectiveness off right wing Spin-Meister, NOT a ally of the Democratic Party.

[Lost4words]

130. He got my vote once but not again, sorry.

not unless he gets off his rich ass and does something for this screwed country.

I dont think he will do anything. Very dissapointed in John Kerry.

[phasev]

134. whatever John

You weren't my first or second choice but I gave you all of my support because I thought I could trust you. But you're nothing but a Skull&Bones lapdog for the Bush family.

[Lerkfish]

138. His first responsibility is the voters of 2004, you know, the ones who

worked their ASSES off? those guys? the volunteers, the contributors....

I like Kerry, but to talk about 2008 AT THIS POINT is frankly counterproductive, because it puts an approval sticker on voting irregularities. I'd prefer he NOT make such an announcement until AFTER the electoral college meets.

after that, whatever, campaign to your heart's content.

[bluedog]

139. anybody hear C-Span today?? Urgent!!

I need help with a call that came in from the Kerry camp that stated the election was not fraud.........things were okay.............it was on about 7:30-8:00...........I had to run the kids out.......wish someone knew the name of the man who called and if this is true then we might as well hang up the count the votes stuff..when Kerrys own party says not to worry and that it was fine.then where do we stand a chance?

[ElectroPrincess]

140. I don't know specifics but I do know

WE MUST reclaim The DEMOCRATIC Party from those clowns and posers presently serving on the DLC.

Let's push HARD to get Dean in as President?

I do believe Dean is "The Genuine Article."

[robbedvoter]

151. kerry couldn't believe what happened to Gore can get him , Dean imune to

theft too? Malloy had that hysterical skit about Dems being like Kenny from South Park: Kill me! Drops dead. Kill me! drops dead. etc, etc

[lefthandedskyhook]

146. One thing is certian - - we don't know all the details

Was he coerced? Did he decide to live to fight another day? He gained my trust (not easily) and I will not turn on him without more facts in hand.

[HoosierClarkie]

156. Run Kerry Run!

Isn't that what he is doing now? Running away?

[maveric]

158. Sorry John, you had your chance and you blew it by not fighting

till all the votes were counted and all the questions were investigated.
Just like Al Gore you caved and disappointed your people.

[bin.dare]

159. i am a new member to DU

one of my main motivations in joining is to insure that a fiasco like John Kerry does not occur again. we need to find and support genuine progressives if this country is to halt its slide into a fascist empire. i say good riddance to jk and the complete top brass of the Dem Party. hello new travellers. :toast:

[KansDem]

160. Hey, John, I worked a phone bank and took a day off on Election Day...

to canvass for you.

The way I figure it, I worked more hours to get you elected then you did contesting this election, which we ALL KNEW would be diebolded.

Forget it, John, and stick a fork in yourself...you're done!

[Gyre]

161. He's dreamin.

Like I'm ever going to spend another nickle on ANY candidate after this fucked up election! What's the point when you've got no confidence in your vote being counted properly?

Gyre

[Chimpanzee]

162. Fat chance, Botox Boy!!

[robbedvoter]

163. Our votes get stolen, and it's all a test from God to John? Same arrogance

as Bush! Mindnumbingly self absorbed and delusional!