Kerry to concede at 1pm eastern.

[Carson]

I just heard it on the radio.

*sigh*

[Bryan]

1. SHIT!

[TexasLady]

2. shit n/t

[mindfulNJ]

3. WTF!!!!

The votes are not even counted yet!!!!!

[Ruby Romaine]

4. explain-what radio show? Rush limpballs?

[Carson]

9. No, ABC news...station 840 WHAS out of Louisville, KY

Sorry, no link as of yet.

[stellanoir]

10. ABC issued the statement

I heard it on NPR.

[liberalnurse]

29. I just heard on AA....

:cry:

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

5. Don't post unsubstantiated bullshit

"Radio?"

What radio?

[blondeatlast]

6. Cita source, dammit. nt

[soothsayer]

7. what kind of radio? AAR, or some evil other station?

Maybe they're misconstruing it.

[Ima]

11. msmbc

said it is unconfirmed.

[Sydnie]

8. I am hearing it on NBC right now too. n/t

[AspenRose]

12. CBS just announced it too.

[sniffa]

13. why not just concede then?

why set a time 1.75 hours from now?

[Cicero]

14. Hearing it on 1110 WBT Charlotte right now

The CBS radio news update is reporting this.

Later,

[Cicero]

25. Banner near top of page at ABC site...

Sen. John Kerry will concede the election

http://abcnews.go.com/

sigh

Later,

[Dhalgren]

15. For the "good" of the country, no doubt.

SHIT!!!!! And let me say, SHIT!!!!

[Vitruvius]

58. No good is served by conceding to a cheat!

Kerry should NEVER concede, no matter what! And he should say so -- and makeRethugnican vote-rigging the #1 issue forevermore.

I knew the fix was in last nite when another worker heard on the radio that the Bu$h gang was bragging that the actual returns were much better for Bu$h than the exit polls. Just like 2000 in Florida and elsewhere, just like 2002 in Georgia and elsewhere.

This was a golden opportunity to NAIL the Rethug's ethnic cleansing of the votor rolls, the easily rigged voting machines with no paper trail -- made by Rethugnican companies, the discarding of Democratic registrations, and the 3, 4, 5, 8-hour long lines in poor & minority areas (deliberately created by sending those areas too few voting machines -- so that there was NO WAY all -- or even very many -- of the people could vote).

NEVER CONCEDE TO A CHEAT! And given the known extent of Rethugnican cheating, the total Rethug cheating must have been colossal; even a common burglar commits on the order of 30 burglaries for every time he gets caught -- and Rove, Cheney & Co. are as smart as your average burglar. And remember -- it's as easy to steal a million vote as one vote with unauditable computerized voting machines...

It's time for some strategic national disunity -- there is no reason for us to unite with a lying, cheating, thieving, fundamentalist Rethugnican minority. What we need to do is delegitimize Bu$h & co at every turn, hamstring them at every opportunity, and make it clear that in the absence of honest elections, they will find this country ungovernable.

[Tiberius]

69. I disagree

Rove, Cheney, and Co. are way smarter than your average burglar. They used the confusion of 2000 as a way to fund, to the tune of $4 Billion, a massive campaign to use voting machines with NO PAPER TRAIL. All they had to do in this election is rig Florida.

Their system is working. Until these machines are stopped, or their companies forced to provide paper trails, you will see them fine tuning this every election. Democracy has been destroyed unless we stop THE MACHINES.

[bpilgrim]

16. WTF were all the damn lawyers there for if they weren't going to FIGHT!

god damn't!

everyone was EXPECTING delays this year, wtf!

all the reports of problems with exit polls and they aren't going to bring up BBV!!!

i gave gore a pass last time since it was the first time we experienced it and we were not ready... this time there is NO excuse.

WTF!

time to MOSH through the MARSH and DEMAND they HEAR US!!!!

:argh:

peace

[neomonkey]

17. Why are they conceding?

Just announced on CBS also.

FUCK it all.

[elehhhhna]

19. skull&bones

[Demit]

22. that was always in the back of my mind, that connection.

New World Order appears to be here.

[Chelsea Patriot]

51. Same Here!

I was always suspicious of The Skull and Bones connection.

Isn't Teresa Heinz-Kerry the widow of a Bonesman too.

[Selteri]

113. married to thye widow of a son of a bonesman

[CabalPowered]

26. Today, the EmperorS wear no clothes

[shcrane]

149. never trust a rich man saying that he looks

out for the working man. This is such a load of crock.

[rooboy]

It sure makes you f...ing wonder.... n/t

[rooboy]

27. .

[itzamirakul]

89. AGREE!

[impe]

159. Yes You're Right

Blood oaths are thicker than water.

[grumpy old fart]

20. Why Concede???

This is just stupid. There is NO REASON to concede. I'm pissed, big time.

[HuckleB]

18. It's the nightmare in America.

:(

[Az_lefty]

21. Too early to give up, damn it!

What a sorry fucking day.....
:mad:

[riverwalker]

23. on CNN too n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

24. Didn't even try to fight!

:wtf: :argh:

[grumpy old fart]

30. Who knows what could turn up in a week or so...

It's just too damn early to concede anything. Give the lawyers a few days at least, dammit!!

[grumpy old fart]

32. What about Edwards' statement???

Didn't he PROMISE that "every vote would be counted"????????

[Zep]

121. Every vote counted?

>>> Didn't he PROMISE that "every vote would be counted"????????

Well technically they will be, not that it's much comfort.

I'm less concerned with the actual vote count as with outright cheating.

[Carson]

31. ABC news saying the math won't add up to victory as the reason for

concession.

Arrghh!!!!!!!!!!

[C_eh_N_eh_D_eh]

28. A part of me thought this would happen.

There was a time when I half suspected Kerry to concede before the polls even opened.

He was in on it from the beginning.

[walkon]

105. I agree.

It was all a big show and the fools are celebrating while the rest of us wonder what really is going on.

What are their names?
David Crosby

I wonder who they are
The men who really run this land
And I wonder why they run it
With such a thoughtless hand

What are their names
And on what streets do they live
I'd like to ride right over
This afternoon and give
Them a piece of my mind
About peace for mankind
Peace is not an awful lot to ask

[Snellius]

33. Too bad. I wanted to see * put the crown on his own head.

Like Napoleon.

[0007]

34. Why?

[msgadget]

35. Damn

[beyurslf]

36. MSNBC reports the same

<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/>

[rot0r_head]

37. Thanks a lot, John.

Way to pull a Gore, buddy. Talk about a pre-9/11 mindset.

[feminazi]

38. god damn it!!

i don't understand how 50M people could vote for this asshole!

we are now ruled by the religiously insane, the intellectually challenged and the 'i got mine, screw you' folks.

i am so disgusted.

[ktowntennesseedem]

112. Disgusted and embarassed!

I'm ashamed to be an American right now. Ashamed that we have sunk this low, and that we are so powerless to do anything about it!

[PassingFair]

176. Or as I like to call them, in your order...

The Superstitious
The Stupid; and
The Selfish

[demjomr313]

39. CNN Breaking News - also

emailed me to tell me the same thing - kerry calls to concede.

goddamnit all to hell! -

[UTdem]

43. unfuckingbelievable

^^ssia^^

[Name removed]

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[jacksonian]

41. get real, folks, the margin was 136,000 not 500.

Kerry did what he could.

[Hephaistos]

52. There may be 160k provisional ballots

if 90% are valid and 90% go to Dems, we would pick up less than 130k votes - it's not enough

Link:
http://www.prospect.org/weblog/archives/2004/11/index.html#004692

[sattahipdeep]

62. Can you say conned!

[Neshanic]

65. What the Hell doe that have to do with it. You COUNT! No matter what!

[Hephaistos]

71. They'll have to count to certify the election

this is not a recount, but a first-count. If Dems win, the concession has no binding effect.

[sattahipdeep]

127. 1.5 mil absentee voters not counted yet

7 precints haven't reported any votes
in florida let alone the absentee votes.

[Gregorian]

42. HE'LL NEVER GET MY VOTE AGAIN.

And very likely, neither will the Democratic party.

I know, I know, it's the idiot people of America who are to blame for this mess. They let Diebold do what they did. They let it get close enough.

So, I hate to say it, but I hereby leave politics, again. I cannot educate the stupid masses. If they want COPS, and BAY WATCH, then how can we stop them?

Stem cell research didn't require killing of babies. They just believed everything the media told them.

And I don't think I can help.

That is what I think. I may find that I can help. But I thought Clinton was too far to the right. So that means I've been alone since 1980.

Fuck Bush. Fuck the Bush family. Fuck Republicans.

[Gregorian]

57. Ok, so that's how I feel.

But the truth lies somewhere in between.

I just called a college radio station to talk to the dj, and all four people in the studio were totally pissed.

Half of America is pissed off.

[GAtomboy]

76. Loser in my book

He's a spoiled little bastard!! My only hope is they get exposed for all of the many scandals in that house in Washington and he gets what's coming to him, he and his administration!

[DinahMoeHum]

140. With you right there on the last line.

If the Kerry people send me an e-mail, I'm gonna respond that I gave some money for their CELAC/CEPAC/whatever organization to fight if we had another Florida-style debacle. Now I want my money back.


:argh::argh::argh:

[conflictgirl]

153. This is absolutely how I feel, too

It's a sad fucking day when a CENTRIST is too liberal for America. I don't want to have the defeatist attitude that I should just leave the country, but I'm not feeling a whole lot of hope today. Not like I have any money to go anywhere, thanks to the Bush economy.

[sunnybrook]

157. lol I'm with ya' economically

at the Democrats' "party" in St. Louis last night, I explained to the bartender that I would not be ordering the $6 glass of wine. I said "Remember, I'm a Democrat here, not exactly rich." She didn't find that funny... What is unfunny is how worse the economy is going to get...

[Danmel]

44. I am appalled

Way to stand up for us, John. Jesus- maybe they were right- if he can't stand up to these cheats.......

I'm going to sleep now- wake me up in 2008.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

45. this is bullshit

[blackspade]

46. Lame...

Now my disgust is complete.
All I can say at this point is that the next four years are on the heads of everyone that voted for that nitwit bush.
Every soldier that dies, every baby that dies from lack of health care, and everyone that loses thier retirement is all on their heads.
From this day forward, anyone I here complain about the state of this country that I know voted for emperor shithead I'm just going to tell them to fuck the hell off, because THEY are the reason it is happening.

pardon the rant, I'm angry

[a new day]

47. DO NOT CONCEDE! our fax to Kerry

It is being reported in the news that you will concede the 2004 Presidential Election at 1:00 EST today. Don't do it!

You are now the second candidate in 4 years that is forsaking the people who worked their guts out for him. We have contributed money that we could ill afford to your campaign, we made phone calls, and knocked on doors all to get you elected, because you were the electable one! You can't get elected unless the votes get counted, get a backbone!

People stood in line in Ohio for hours and hours to insist that their votes be counted, who are you to forsake them?

Where is your honor?

Sincerely,

Robert S. Shields
Charla Mustard-Foote

[mikedaul]

63. hell yeah

I sent email via johnkerry.com saying pretty much the same thing (although mine was a bit more scathing).

There's still almost 1.5 hours till 1:00.

come on people, speak your mind here!

[myrna minx]

48. Fuck him. Just fuck him. We worked too hard for this man

for him to fold like this. Oh my gawd, I just can't stop sobbing, despite my being at work. This just has to be a nightmare that I can't wake up from.

[itzamirakul]

85. I ALMOST CANNOT TAKE IT

WHY?  WHY?  WHY?  We will ask forever and like John Kennedy's
assassination, we will never know the truth.  The Democratic
Party under Terry McAuliffe has raped us and burned us. At
this late stage in my life, I am finally finished with the
Party that I have voted a straight ticket for over the past 45
years. 

When Kerry changed campaign managers from Beth Cahill (the
party-giver) to that fat Joe Lockhart some months ago, I was
instantly worried because this is a man with absolutely NO
WINS to his credit.  Like someone said in another post, this
smells - no, REEKS - of a Skull and Bones conspiracy. 
McAuliffe foisted Kerry on us because in McAuliffe's words,
"Kerry was more winnable than Dean."  Then they
helped take Dean down.

I have, like many. many others worked myself to pieces to
ensure a Kerry win to have this man concede before all the
votes were counted. He let us down big time - so big that the
Party will NEVER recover and the Republicans will finally have
what they have wanted all along - a one-party country.  In the
words of Marie Antoinette, "After me, the deluge."

[ktowntennesseedem]

108. Bring on the rapture!

The right-wing religious whackos who voted for * yesterday all believe that Jesus is coming for them and will rapture them all to heaven in the last days. And all the crap going on in the world today are sure signs that we are in the last days.

The rapture is the only way I can see of keeping them from voting. Till that happens, neither the democrats nor any other party will have a chance.

Self-fulfilling prophesy: America, at least, really is living in the last days.

[OutsourceBush]

49. There is not enough outstanding votes, this is not as close as Florida 2000

I wish it was...

I wish he would go ahead and count all the votes, but I really don't see how it would ever narrow enough. I think we got frauded again, this time with computers.

[grumpy old fart]

93. Winning is not the point

Waiting for the count is not the point. The votes will have to be counted anyway, it's not like we'd be asking Ohio to take some extraordinary measures. The point is to let the Chimp twist in the wind for a while, and to let him just grab the damn crown, as is his wont. Let him look like the damn dictator he is.

[sattahipdeep]

50. The Real Carpetbaggers

The 77 senators who voted for this war.

Democrats Yes
Biden
Edwards
Daschle
Clinton
Feinstein
Baucus
Bayh
Breaux
Cantwell
Carnahan
Carper
Cleland
Dodd
Dorgan
Harkin
Hollings
Johnson
Kerry
Kohl
Landrieu
Lieberman
Lincoln
Miller
Nelson
Nelson
Reid
Rockefeller
Schumer
Torricelli

Republicans Yes

Allard
Allen
Bennett
Bond
Brownback
Bunning
Burns
Campbell
Cochran
Collins
Craig
Crapo
DeWine
Domenici
Ensign
Enzi
Fitzgerald
Frist
Gramm
Grassley
Gregg
Hagel
Hatch
Helms
Hutchinson
Hutchison
Inhofe
Kyl
Lott
Lugar
McCain
McConnell
Murkowski
Nickles
Roberts
Santorum
Sessions
Shelby
Smith
Smith
Snowe
Specter
Stevens
Thomas
Thompson
Thurmond
Voinovich
Warner

[venus]

53. My America is gone.

My neighbors have already removed their K/E signs. Guess I should too.
We got our asses kicked all over.

[ktowntennesseedem]

87. We were screwed last night,

we're being screwed today, and we are screwed for more than the next four years. They're getting very good at stealing elections, and they're getting away with this one so easily, there'll be no stopping them, now.

A 4 mil popular vote margin, legit or not, is impossible to overcome. Kerry had no choice to concede, but why the hell couldn't he have waited a little longer? :shrug:

And how the f*** does a 46%-47% approval rating translate into a 51% margin in the vote?!?!?!

:hurts: :mad:

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

148. The networks conveniently changed the Bush's approval

ranting to 51% right before they began counting votes.

[joie]

54. *bangs head repeatedly on desk*

[eris]

55. Why couldn't he wait until they count how many provisional

ballots there will be?

I give up. We get what we deserve. All the polls say we're heading the wrong direction, then they vote for more of the same.

I'm glad I'm at work and won't get to see the concession speech.

[Logansquare]

56. Dear Democratic Party: this is called ALIENATING YOUR BASE

They can kiss the black vote goodbye until Obama runs for president.

[ktowntennesseedem]

92. Amen! Obama & Ford in 2000whatever!

Or Harold Ford/Barack Obama, I don't care who's on top of the ticket.

[osaMABUSh]

137. Hillary and Obama - let's really blow their minds - a woman and

a black!

[Fovea]

156. Not voting for anyone who claims DLC membership.

Would vote for a Green in preference.

[grumpy old fart]

96. Amen, Amen, Amen

Dammit, we worked too long and too hard to just f*ing concede. Let the Chimp twist in the gd wind for a while. Why give aid and comfort to the bastards?

[itzamirakul]

122. RACISM - REPUBLICAN GLUE

Until the Democratic Party understands that the REAL GLUE
uniting the Republicans is RACISM then the Democrats will
NEVER win another race.Until they stop hiding their heads in
the sand and refusing to confront and address this reality,
the Dem. Party will remain in the toilet where the Repubs put
it four years ago.  

Bush's largest rallies in Ohio were held in the areas of Klan,
Skinhead, NeoNazi, White Supremacist Groups and it was they,
not the Evangelicals who put him over.  Forget about abortion,
gay rights, etc - whites unite over racism and no one in
America wants to discuss it openly.

[sunnybrook]

154. excellent analogy

All of this comes down to race in my opinion. Historically and currently. The South has gone with the least friendly party to blacks always, whether that was Dems before the sixties or Republicans since the civil rights era. It is a sad but unfortunate reality that whites unite over their racism. Or as they like to now call it "opposition to quotas."

[Cinletharwi]

166. Living in central La., I have to say you nailed it.. n/t

[peacetalksforall]

169. Absolutely, absolutely true - some Dems co-host racism - to non=whites,

seniors, women, immigrants, visitors, honorable people everywhere on this earth.

Dems can be traitors.

[Neshanic]

59. Well, my time was 9am EST. Heard AAR 9am AZ time he gives.

Interesting is it not? Being screwed by your own candidate.

Way to keep us railing for ya pussy.

[Gothic Sponge]

60. I think i'm done with this spineless party!

[Divine Discontent]

74. this isn't overreacting!

I am stiff and shocked, I just got called by my best friend of the news..


I distrust them, all of them. I am aware of the exit polls, the surprised look on shrub's face when he saw at the white house, that he was doing better than the exit polls showed he would.


WTF?

God forgive my hate & disgust, but they are all crooks. This was given up way to quick, may I be wrong and maybe there will be redemption soon for this, nixon didn't last long either.

but for now, BASTARDS.

[Steelangel]

61. WHAT? WHY?

Kerry still have chance! America IS DOOMED for good. I wonder what happen to our freeomd & rights? Jeez man... fuck it.

[a new day]

78. Kerry needs 77% of 250,00 uncounted ballots

[Kierkegaard]

64. Way to jump all over a guy who was willing to go to the wall for you!

When the writing is on the wall, what do you expect Kerry to do? Continue to fight and end up looking like a total lunatic? There is no way for him to rationalize holding up the decision at this point. How the fuck can you criticize him? We just can't gain enough ground to balance the deficit of votes in Ohio. They aren't there.

I wish to hell we could prove fraud. I really do. Just doesn't look like there is a way to get it done. WE know they stole the damn thing, but how do we come up with the evidence? It vanished in a trail of dissipated electrons.

Bitching and moaning won't get it done. We got screwed and if we want our country back, we are going to have to find some more solid ground to stake out and fight back...

[bpilgrim]

70. the WALL is still standing

but he is NOWHERE in SIGHT!

don't give us that patronizing BS we've been fighting and supporting these bastards harder then anything we've done in our whole life so save the BS guilt trip.

we need to do what we've always done and yell and scream until we get their attention.

peace

[Kierkegaard]

97. Gimme a break. There is nothing BS about a reality check.

What I said is not the least bit patronizing. What the hell are you talking about? And what's this 'us' shit? I'm ONE of you!!!

John Kerry is the same man he was last week, last month, 30 years ago. You remember, the one YOU WERE FIGHTING FOR UNTIL A FEW MINUTES AGO?????

How do you propose he continue to fight when the numbers aren't there? What do you do if you need $100 for something but all you have in your pocket is $50??? Where do you get the shortfall? Answer: you don't. Stark reality.

Goddam, people. Smell the coffee. I'm as pissed as anyone, fuck, I'm crying like a fucking beaten step-child, but I don't have any idea what grounds Kerry could offer to hold up the concession any longer. If you have some idea how he could still win this election, I'm all ears.

[Neshanic]

100. We ARE his reality! His supporters, we shared our dreams.

[Neshanic]

72. It is symbolic. If he was short 10,000 at least he did not give.

Now we know. He folds.

[Jack The Tab]

73. I couldn't agree more...why trash an honorable fighter..

This sudden turning of the knives disturbs me deeply.

[Neshanic]

80. Wow...Now we have a new flavor of Kool-Aid. DNC Cherry.

[bpilgrim]

98. he gave up way too early

after everything we know we have a right to be PISSED.

well, we gave the leadership the benifit of the doubt and THEY blew it now it is time to start screaming and yelling like we had to do FOREVER to get HEARD.

can you hear me now?

peace

[Eloriel]

133. Yeah, it's called betrayal

I myself was doing okay -- taking in the probability, even, of another 4 years. But when I heard that kerry was going to concede, I lost it. EVERY DAMN TIME I'M COUNTING ON AN ELECTED DEM to do the right thing, I get betrayed, we ALL get betrayed.

This is nothing short of a betrayal. And I think people have a right to be pissed, and more than pissed even.

Well, there's ONE elected Dem who won't be betraying me for a while (and if I'm lucky, never again): Tom Daschle.

[RuleofLaw]

75. Keep fighting

By conceding so early, Kerry has pissed off his base. Imagine this was a football game. You know your team is loosing, or it looks like they will. Yet, you still expect them to fight until the end of the game and not just roll over. By conceding Kerry runs away from his end of the deal. He promised to fight for us. He didn't!. Why now. What did he have to loose by waiting until all the votes are counted? He is done in politics anyway!

Unless the Democratic Party decides to fight, they will never be in power.

[saracat]

83. Hello? What country?

[UL_Approved]

86. Look to Nixon for answers

I think we will find that the best answer here is to have a resignation like the days of old Tricky Dick. Its not out of the realm of possibility. Besides, this country has now been tested. Do we give up, or do we stand up?

[Neshanic]

88. Of course a Nixonian scenario will happen. This is today. He caved.

[Hephaistos]

91. If you want to help prove fraud

go here: Project FOLLOW THE VOTE http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/3/8638/63405

[nodehopper]

151. HE PROMISED EVERY VOTE WOULD BE COUNTED. HE LIED.

[Hephaistos]

66. He's dumping the big mess right in *'s lap

Kick up feet, grab popcorn, and watch the repugs self-destruct for the next two years. Then kick their butt in '06, and chimpeach.

[AgadorSparticus]

170. up is down. down is up. repugs won't self destruct anymore than

they already have right infront of our eyes but we are too blind to see it. the psyche ops at home are complete. but if we could just get rid of the damn machines.....

[Gingersnapsback]

67. Prince Georges Courthouse ablaze.

For some reason I can't post this. Will someone else do it?




http://wbal.com/stories/templates/news.asp?articleid=24544

Burning Courthouse In Prince George's County
Wednesday, November 03, 2004
WBAL Radio and The Associated Press



Prince George's County firefighters are struggling to contain a rapidly-spreading five-alarm blaze that has engulfed most of the historic county courthouse in smoke and flames.

Fire and E-M-S spokesman Chauncey Bowers says the fire on Main Street in Upper Marlboro began on the roof, in an older section of the building that's been under renovation.

Bowers says about 100 firefighters are on the scene and are battling high winds that are fanning the flames.

Broadcast pictures show a massive plume of black and gray smoke, along with flames shooting into the air.

It's not clear what caused the fire.

Authorities don't believe anyone has been injured.

A spokesman for the county's state's attorney's office says land records and criminal cases are at risk.

[PUFF N STUFF]

68. Howard Dean would never concede that fast

Kerry sucks, I never liked him that much. I voted for Dean in the primaries.

[Connie_Corleone]

81. Dean wouldn't have to concede.

He would've lost before the first ballot was cast.

[confrontationclaws]

77. A slap in the face...

What's to be gained? For "unity's" sake? There is none anwyay. It makes no sense. Why not just say FU to Bush and let things drag on--it would at least make the foot soldiers feel like the general really supported them. Does Kerry think he's taking the "high road" by being magnanimous in defeat? Hey John--don't do it for me. What's "right" and what's "the truth" doesn't matter to these fascists anyway. If Bush can't give his "victory" speech until Thanksgiving, then too damn bad.

By the time the third Supreme Court appointee is on the bench nothing's gonna matter anyway. They'll have the high priest in control and the the beautiful experiment of 1776 will have finally failed.

[a new day]

94. By 2008, the GOP will have a perpetual lock on government

[osaMABUSh]

128. What good came out of Gore's noble concession - nada

And Gore basically had no choice that late in the game (Dec. 12).

[RedCloud]

79. No more Yalies for Prez!

Destroy the Skull and Crossbones before it destroys America! No more cabals!

More turnout is better for the democrats? Not if DieBold has its way. Sorry but Kerry it's pronounced "Die Bold" not "Die Coward"!

[proReality]

82. The right wing derserves to see what they're going to get

As much as I hate to say it, it's probably a good thing Kerry will concede or he'd be blamed for everything that will happen from here on out and we'd never get another democrat into power. And he'd never get anything good accomplished with Congress in the hands of our modern day fascist government.

[dddem]

174. exactly!

I was thinking the same thing. Now when the shit hits the fan (and it will), there will be no democrats to blame (assuming we survive).

[Kagemusha]

84. You know what I'm thinking?...

If Kerry was always going to concede this fast, maybe the people saying he wasn't tough enough were right all along.

I'd never have said anything like that had Kerry not conceded like this. Sure, the US stock market benefits, it's the gentlemanly thing to do, but...

(slaps himself) I almost said it was the French thing to do.

[harris8]

90. Kerry MUST have something up his sleeve...

I mean, like enough evidence to impeach not just Bush, but the whole den of thieves. Right? Or something?

My take is this is OUTRIGHT MASSIVE ELECTION FRAUD, similar to the smaller scale e-voting frauds that apparently occurred in the mid-term elections in 2002.

Kerry has a plan, he MUST have a plan. I'm praying & praying, Kerry may have conceded the election, but HE HAS A PLAN.

[Ohio rules]

95. Wrong answer...Wrong election

The campaign divided the country in half.
Kerry doesn't want to drag out a meaningless recount that only pours gas on flames.

hello!!!
he is still a senator from Mass.

[Neshanic]

99. Oh really. The plan was to bail so he would not blow the stock market.

And thus have a legacy as good looser, and someone who could of possibly caused financial market issues.

We can't have mess. No mess allowed after 2000.

DNC Kool-Aid...."Just drink it, you'll like it."

[peach720]

117. I think Kerry ....

may have to concede. For him not to would play into their hands, these people are evil and have stolen two elections, many of us believe that 9/11 has the fingerprints of a NeoConservative attack.
If Kerry rides it out and Bush is not allowed to be the President for a couple weeks, you could bet something would happen in Iraq or elsewhere with serious loss of life. And Kerry would get the blame for distracting the President from protecting Americans. And then it really would be the end of the Democrats.

I do not believe this is a Skull and Cross bones act, but maybe an act by someone that understands his enemy. If he does get out of the way, the war could esculate in Iraq, jobs losses at Christmas, rises in the price of Oil everywhere and Bush will not be able to blame anyone else for it.Anger could raise and anger abroad may get louder, boycotts of American products in Europe etc.
I think the Kerry may have done the smart thing here, until the Republicans are faced with the true horror of their choices, and the country wakes up, nothing will change.

[osaMABUSh]

123. The price oil dropped because the mkt though Kerry would win

The whole shithouse is going up in flames!

[peach720]

145. Yes...... but watch those prices rise now.......

when Republicans start loosing their jobs before Christmas and more of their children start dying in Iraq, in the next few months. Wait until the shit hits the fan and they realise they have four more years and that is what they voted for.

Earlier it did occur to me that Kerry hanging on could lead to the kind of bloodshed that Chaney threatened if Kerry was elected. It is possible that Kerry realises that too.
These people have fought on of the dirtiest, most dishonest elections ever, they have no intention of relinquishing the White House, I know it the moment that the said Ohio was too chose to call that Kerry was screwed. They couldn't risk another scandal in Florida so the spot light was on Ohio.
The clips of Bush watching the results, showed a smug, confident family that knew they would be declared victorious, it gave me goose bumps.

[Heidi]

101. I hope it's not true.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/election.main/index.html

Just because the mainstream media says it's so, doesn't make it so.

But if it's true, I take responsibility. If my horse gives up the race before I do, it's because I chose the wrong horse.

[grumpy old fart]

109. All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

Apparently half the country is ready to just live like cowardly sheep under the Chimp fuhrer, afraid of all those terrorists and gays in their closets. It's up to us to keep fighting the good fight for this nation, even if some folks would just rather roll over.

[texasdem99]

102. This is just awful

This sucks. I can't take 4 more years of Bu$h.

[Owlet]

103. The final Flop

What happened to "count every vote"? Last time I vote for a Dem. presidential candidate unless there's a major shakeup in the party leadership.

[qb]

104. Thanks for the broken promise, John & John. What about spoiled ballots?

Why can't you stand up for the intent of the voters?

[Sword of Whedon]

114. *

Dean wouldn't have to concede.
He would've lost before the first ballot was cast.

Dean would have called Bush a thief and a liar, he would have exposed Bush's criminal past, and punished him for 7 very long months. Instead we got someone who waited a month before responding to the Swift Liars.

Kerry deserves to be publically whipped for what he has done, he has betrayed the American people for real this time, by surrendering when he knew months in advance the Republican cheating in Florida.

And now the Republicans have cheated their way into another 4 years, 4 more seats in the House for Texas, and who knows how many others.

My plan:

Step 1- The removal of all Republicrats from the party. Lieberman and the rest of his gang can go hang. Anyone who votes with the Republicans over 50% of the time is out.

Step 2- Stop Kerry's concession. They've got 45 minutes

Step 3- Mass indictment of the Republicans for their crimes
Impeach Bush for violation of Article 6 of the Constitution (the UN charter is the law of the land, he is required to obey), prosecute him, jail him or better yet I'm sure the ICC would love to talk to him
along with all his cronies.

Step 4- Show the masses what real liberals and progressives are, ban centrists from running for any sort of national office. Centrism has gotten us nowhere but stepped on, Screw the swing voter, they've proven what morons they are, pick a side and FIGHT. When Republicans commit crimes, don't weasel and whine, make sure it's right in the public face. Punish them at every opportunity, make them bleed and FIGHT.

Never give up, never surrender, fight to the last man, don't let the Republicans steal a single vote. This time it's SHAME ON THE DEMOCRATS
The GOP fooled them once, and shame on them, now they've been fooled twice, so it's shame on ALL of the wimps.

[Ginger1]

120. Hell

They can give me my $$$ back!!!

[andyhappy]

106. the fuckin' pussy

[Neshanic]

107. Just plain disgust. Sorry kids.

[Chiyo-chichi]

110. "No retreat, baby no surrender" and other Boss lyrics

had been stuck in my head.

Now been replaced by the entire Nebraska CD.

"You asked me why I did what I did...
I guess there's just a meanness in this world."

[the Princess]

111. This ass hole was supposed to fight for us!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm crying and I cannot understand him giving up! I HATE HIM!

4 mors years of Monkey Boy! There goes our country.

Dear God

[RivetJoint]

116. To paraphrase Otter...

"We fucked up, we trusted him."

[venus]

175. So what are you gonna do when both Florida nd Ohio

fall to *? Hmmm? Still blame Kerry for conceding? He knew what he was doing. Didn't you listen to his concession speech? Well let me tell you; he said there was no chance the outstanding votes in Ohio would give him a victory and that he was sorry. Some of you guys are such mean-spirited wusses and "flip floppers". The man's a pro; unlike some of his supposed supporters (ready with the dagger in the back) while yelling "Oh yeah we got your back Senator". Please. He's trying to help us face reality and heal. Blame the voters in Florida and Ohio and the corrupt Repugs in charge - that we put there by the way.

[Sticky]

115. Sob

Where do we go from here....and do Democrats have a leader now?

[demokatgurrl]

144. no, Democrats do NOT have any leader. NONE.

Can you think of ANYONE, who is IN a leadership position, who is strong enough to turn the party around and get us a victory so we can reclaim the country before it's too late? I can't.

[Hephaistos]

177. Dean! Clinton! Obama! Pelosi! Boxer!

What's wrong with these leaders?

[Borgnine]

118. Can we be sad yet?

There's no point in fighting for Kerry folks. The son of a bitch is running away. They stole it. We've lost the country. Not just for four years. THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN FUCKING BEAT THIS MACHINE. America is gone. Democracy is dead.

Somebody hold me.

[Neshanic]

119. MSNBC Kerry Biographer. "He will be a voice against Bush".

As Senator Kerry.

[WheresWaldo]

130. DEMS SUCKED TONIGHT

kerry didnt win, and Daschle lost.

The only good thing is now we can revamp the party.

The repubs did it by energizing their base.

For the dems to do this, we need DEAN DEMOCRATS, or heck, even WES CLARK, he was a better candidate than KERRY.

all you haters have got to get your heads out of your asses.

the DLC and Republican Lite democrats are what have killed the party.

AND, we have to do something about the primaries, why should joe schmoe in bum fuck NH and IA get to decide who runs for Pres., Its not fair to the rest of the country, they should have all primaries on the same day.

[freebird04]

124. What a sorry ass Kerry is

I can't beleive that he's let us down like this. There's plenty of clear evidence of Republican fraud everywhere. And we've got 15,000 good lawyers ready and willing to fight for us - and Kerry just gives up? We should've known. He betrayed his fellow vets in 1971 and now he's betraying all of us who have worked tirelessly to get him elected.

[cms424]

125. I can't believe the things I'm reading in this thread

Kerry would have to win an overwhelming majority of the remaining votes in Ohio. It is not statistically possible for him to win in Ohio at this point, and therefore it is not possible for him to win the election.

I for one am glad that this didn't turn into another month-long circus with W still smirking at the end.

Instead of trashing Kerry, maybe we need to start wondering WHY fully half the country supports a president who has led us into an expensive and pointless war, overseen an economy which is losing jobs and drowning in debt, and sabotaged efforts to improve access to health care. Whatever the Democrats are doing to try and win people over, it's clearly not working.

[osaMABUSh]

132. Kerry is not the problem. America is the problem.

[Hephaistos]

178. Kerry and Dems WERE the problem

Most have no real fight in them.

- Where were the ads to ridicule * bunnypants?
- Where were the red-meat speeches?
- Why didn't they call the crook a crook?
- Why didn't they use the sadistic violence of the 'Left Behind' books as a wedge issue? "Mister President, does YOUR god disembowl and dismember non-believers?"

The strategy sucked wet donkey farts.

[Neshanic]

138. It first would help if we symbolically did not GIVE UP.

[stevestills]

158. Symbolically Give Up - That started Jan 2001

While it is hard to hear that Sen Kerry is conceding to Bush this early; "symbolically" the concession goes back to the Bush Gore election, when not one single Senator would stand in the Senate and acknowledge the Democratic Congressional charges of Voter Fraud in Florida in 2001.

Had one single Senator stepped up to the plate at that time, we very likely would NOT have had Bush as President, Not had 9-11, Not had Iraq, and Not had this day.

We have been "Bushed" again.

Tears and Prayers and Hope and Concessions won't right this wrong.

[arwalden]

165. Clinton's Fault?

Maybe?

[GemMom]

173. That he was sick....

and couldn't campaign sooner?

[harpo]

126. So much for "we will ensure every vote is counted"

[notadmblnd]

129. I did not work that hard to watch Kerry roll over and die like Gore

He promised he would fight. and he rolled over and died just like Al gore did. Must have been one big pile of Doo Doo they're blackmailing him with.

[AlFrankenFan]

131. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY?!?!?!?!?!

As I understand, not all the results are even in! Kerry, why are being a wimp?!

[pantouflard]

134. May I propose a wishful hypothesis...

Could Kerry be trying to distance himself from those who will contest the election results? This could be beneficial in the long run, when we prove that he actually won the election. ???

[sunnybrook]

161. Thank You

the only hopeful message in this entire thread

[osaMABUSh]

135. Fuck unity - I hope the next two years are worst then the last four

Fuck bipartisanship. How can you have bipartisanship when one party runs everything.

Maybe in two years we'll get the Senate back and Bush can get impeached for war crimes, etc.

[osaMABUSh]

136. Is Al Gore the only democrat in America who might get comfort

from this. The rest of us are miserable and angry. Maybe Al can get some "misery loves company" vibe.

[Soth]

139. Christ people.

Look, I'm just as fucking disappointed as everyone else, but Christ on a stick, yelling about how much you fucking hate Kerry isn't gonna solve shit.

Let's not forget who the REAL enemy here is: King George. Kerry led a damn good campaign, and he made us proud for a long, long time. Don't forget that.

As for me, I'm moving on to finding our next candidate. And I'm keeping an eye on Sleaz-O-Bush and just WAITING for his next fuck-up. Then I'm gonna smack people in the face with it and tell them "THIS is what you voted for. Happy?"

In the meantime, maybe we shouldn't go around yelling "Crucify him! Crucify him!" and focus on the goddamn Roman Centurions.

[Neshanic]

141. Allow us our grief/anger please. We will join you up the road

[osaMABUSh]

142. They gotta count OH anyway - what now if Kerry wins?

To certify they have to count the provisionals, correct? So what if Kerry wins Ohio, then he wins the EC.

[RetroLounge]

143. Fuck...

sigh...

RL

[AFSCME girl]

146. Between this and my Dad's heart attack...

I think I'm gonna have a meltdown! :cry:

[sunnybrook]

163. hugs to you

so sorry about your Dad. what terrible timing... maybe you can try to shut out this stress even for a few minutes. I went through a very similar thing with my own Father during the 2000 craziness. Hope your Dad recovers

[Independent_Minded]

147. Kerrys a class-act

it seems nothing i say here is very popular, but looking at the numbers, i dont see a Kerry victory in the future.

Fighting the good fight is all well and good. But creating pointless turmoil when victory is out of reach is just a bad move.

I understand that many of us are suffering the sting of defeat, but Kerry has proven himself a true statesman by not kicking a dead-horse.

Long live the Union - Long live the Republic.

[shcrane]

150. Yeah, and the same was said about Gore in 2000

Gore's campaign only asked to recount a few of the counties in Florida in order to appease the Republican bully tactics. Turns out, if all the votes were recounted within the state, then Gore would have won.

I think it's stupid to say that he's being statemen-like. He's being a wuss, and he lied about caring about every vote and every American. He can go back to his wind-surfing for all I care.

[Eurobabe]

152. bumped to 2pm, as per the usual media whores

who are back in FULL ASS KISSING Bu$hler mode today.

[HeeBGBz]

167. Hopes defeated, dreams deleted

I went to work at 6 am this morning. Barely had time to check to see the news worse than it was when I went to bed.

The first customers I had were the Wednesday morning prayer group. I am full of anger, but I serve them. I hear them chatting about "signs". I wanted to scream at them to hurry up and fucking rapture already so I can have my country back. I say nothing.

My other "regulars" get wind that I'm upset about the election so they procede to make jokes. With hot coffee pot in hand and rightous burning anger in my eyes, I think they knew not to push any further.

I was sooo freaking angry yet unable to vent because I can't lose my job right now. I knew if I said anything, I would lose it because I was near tears and barely controlling my emotions.

My boss comes in and gives me the news that Kerry conceded with an added "Ha! Ha!" A coworker says "Are you angry?" I said "Yes, I'm angry and 49% of the country is angry" My boss says "Yeah, but it's the 51% that counts."

She then noticed that I was not in a good frame and she told me I could go home if I wanted. Which I did.

How could things be so fucked up? Why did he concede so quickly? I didn't even get a chance to get home to see if the lawyers or Michael Moores video army had found something. He could have at least waited 10 days until the absentee ballots were counted.

I am in pain and disheartened and don't know what to do.
Needless to say, its been a sucky day all around.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

155. HITLER WINS

:cry:

[Algorem]

160. It's 1:30,where is he?

[kc.ink]

162. nevermore. . . . . nevermore. . . . quote the raven

:puke:

[whistle]

164. With Al Gore in 2000 and now John Kerry in 2004, the Democratic...

...presidential candidates that we have selected as our party leaders just did not seem to want the presidency bad enough to fight for it. These election results for 2004 should not go unchallenged in states li8ke Ohio and Florida where the results are suspect. Even if our candidate could not win an electral majority, cheating can not go unchallenged for the sake of our party and for canadidates running in other races. The country deserves to know the truth about what is happening with our democratic election processes. This can not stand.

[coreystone]

168. A Group Hug For Kerry!!

:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

:grouphug: KERRY :grouphug:

:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

[Red1]

172. Till 2008

I've given the rightwingers as much hell as I possibly can for the last 4 years. Got fired from a job because some rightys on another website found out where I was working and contacted human resources.

We can't give up the push to rid the country of these vermin, but remember this;

It is the voters that continually place these morons into positions of authority. If you really want to turn the screws, go after the voters, forget the politicians.

red1

[peacetalksforall]

171. May I point out that Gore held from Nov... to Dec 12 and HAD to give

in to the Supreme Court?

I had just finished hearing a replay of Edwards saying that he and Kerry would hold to their promise of counting eveyr vote when they announced that they were scheduled to announce a concession.

Nothing looks good. Nothing.

How can we not have doubts? Are we adding another conspiracy? Is it deserved?

What the hell was wrong with counting all the votes? Nothing. Nothing.

[candy331]

179. I told a business person who came in to my store this morning

around 9:00 am, when he told me Kerry had not conceded but Bush had declared victory in Ohio, I said Kerry will concede by noon but no later than 1:00 pm, am I psychic? no just remembered the "crying in teacups from 2000.