Bin Laden warns of retaliation

[DuctapeFatwa]

Osama bin Laden says in a full Internet broadcast of a video, partly aired by Al Jazeera last week, that George W. Bush had dragged America into a quagmire in Iraq and warned of retaliation for Iraqi deaths.

In the video, posted on websites on Wednesday often used by Islamists as results from the U.S. presidential election were being announced, bin Laden said Bush had ignored advice against waging "an unjustified war on Iraq for which there would be no end".

"The black gold (oil) blinded him and he put his personal interests above the general interests of America so the war took place, many died, American money was squandered and Bush was dragged into a quagmire in Iraq which threatens his future," the al Qaeda leader said in the tape, dated October 24.

"More than 15,000 of our people were killed and tens of thousands wounded and more than 1,000 of your people (Americans) were killed and tens of thousands wounded. Bush's hands are sullied with the blood of those on both sides just for oil and to employ his private companies," bin Laden said.


http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=614382&src=rss/uk/topNews§ion=news

Note: I know all this was posted the other day, but it is interesting that it is coming over the wires with this headline right now. Washington Post is also running this same story

[NVMojo]

1. Duh, only now. Kinda late to cop a freaking clue.

[eleonora]

2. did you notice he said he would attack states that support the war??

[ClassWarrior]

3. Get a dictionary. states = nations.

24.

[Sugarbleus]

5. Maybe yes, maybe no....who can tell for sure.

[Kat 333]

8. When read in context ...

In conclusion, I tell you in truth, that your security is not in the hands of Kerry, nor Bush, nor al-Qaida.
No.

Your security is in your own hands. And every state that doesn't play with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm

[psychopomp]

52. I have a hunch that you would know from reading the original Arabic

The dual meaning of state, which really is only pertinent in American English, is probably not a meaning that is inferred by the Arabic term used in the speech.

[MADem]

55. An arabic translator

...discussed on one of the talking head shows (either CNN or MSNBC, cannot remember precisely) the use of the specific words that OBL used in his "address." He said that when making that phrase, he used the word that translates to STATE, NOT NATION STATE. When the big, tanned O said state, he meant Ohio, Texas, etc., not the nation. He made rather a big deal about it, and I find it amazing that the rest of the lamestream media is slow out of the gate on covering the actual words that ole O had to say. Of course, we are the only country in the world that does not get any significant war coverage, why should we get any real coverage of that event? Dictatorships tell the people what they 'need' to know, and the fearless leader makes that decision....it sucks!

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[DarkSim]

10. Why would Osama attack the people who were against the war? n/t

[harpo]

15. there's a nuclear power plant 10 minutes from me in texas...come get it!!

[Carpe_Veritas]

17. That's a little harsh don't you think?

[henslee]

22. Hope he's not color blind.

[AlCzervik]

16. that is a translation problem-he actually said nation states

it was discussed on countdown with keith last week.

[Career Prole]

60. Juan Cole weighed in on the meaning of "state" as used by Osama

Bin Laden says that such a "state" should not trifle with Muslims' security. He cannot possibly mean that he thinks Rhode Island is in a position to do so. Nor can he be referring to which way a state votes, since he begins by saying that the security of Americans is not in the hands of Bush or Kerry. He has already dismissed them as equivalent and irrelevant, in and of themselves.

Moreover, the way he uses "wilayah" is strange if he meant a Rhode Island kind of state. He should have said "ayy wilayah min al-wilayaat," "any state among the states" or some such diction.

Since MEMRI's conclusion is impossible given what else Bin Laden says, then we must revisit their philological point. It is true that in modern standard Arabic, wilayah means "state" or "province" and that al-Wilayaat al-Muttahaddah is the phrase used to translate "United States." A state in the sense of government or international Power would more likely nowadays be "dawlah" or "hukumah."

<snip>

I think archaicism is a more likely explanation than what linguists call "interference" from other languages for Bin Laden's diction here. But I am quite sure for the reasons of logic given above that he means "government" by the word, not state as in province, in this speech.
http://www.juancole.com/2004_11_01_juancole_archive.html#109938356137329197

[amandabeech]

6. Is there a complete translation of the full 18-minute speech?

I'd love to send this to my mother. She'll be even more upset tomorrow than she undoubtedly was today.

[DuctapeFatwa]

7. all over the net, since days ago, see note in original post, & google

Al Jaz probably still has theirs up somewhere

[boilerbabe]

11. The link is still up on Al Jazeera, just checked it out! n/t

[boilerbabe]

12. Sorry trying to delete this message, duplicating....n/t

[Dem2theMax]

46. Pretty sure this is the full transcript.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm

[PATRICK]

9. the twerp

get a life OBL. We got bigger problems than a bag man for nut groups. Uh, we have a bigger nutbag?

[MisterP]

20. actually, our main problem IS a bag man for nut groups, just another one

[LiberalBushFan]

13. He got us worse than he'll probably do for awhile, tonight

by helping Bush get re-elected. In the long term that'll do us a lot more harm than any 9/11-type incident.

[readmylips]

14. Maybe the world will weep for us again and say...

we're Americans too. I for sure ain't gonna weep for no attack brought on by bush's arrogancy and those who voted for him. I don't even give a crap about those dumb soldiers in Iraq dying for a stupid rich person like bush and family. My step-son is out there too risking his life while bush doesn't pay him enough to feed his family. That's suppost to make me proud? That's just right stupid in my book.

[cubsfan forever]

26. I have the utmost respect for you and your stepson

it is maddening that this little pretender, this false, smirking little coward can prance around in a uniform he didn't wear and talk about "sacrifice." I had friends who never made it back from Nam and the country feels the same way now as it did in 1972. Bless your step-son and you; I pray he returns home safely; what this country has become, because of Chickenshit Bush, is a tragedy and a disgrace.

Professor 2

[Cocoa]

18. black gold?

oil that is? Texas tea?

Does Osama really talk like that?

[LiberalFighter]

19. Those oil guys from here probably gave them the term

[MoonAndSun]

21. I have no doubt that this country will experience another attack,

and there will be no one to blame but AWOL. But they certainly will try to blame others. November 2nd showed the world that a majority of Americans condone what * is doing in Iraq, and we will collectively pay the price.

[indie_voter]

23. Only the red states!!

But that won't matter. It's the "elite" northeast and the "moral wasteland" of CA (LA or SF) which will likely get hit.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

24. Way to go, moral majority who voted for *!! Fucking idiots.

[stepnw1f]

28. Maybe...maybe Not, but wow that fallout should suck....

maybe even a domino effect?

[found object]

30. Bin Laden has a nuke? I doubt it.

Nation states are the only ones with WMD's.

[stepnw1f]

32. Suitcase sized out in that Black Market?

I hope not! Ah... More of that conspiracy stuff, you know!?

[Zynx]

42. Wouldn't work.

Those degrade rapidly and need new firing pits.

[wordout]

43. you obviously didnt see General Lebed addressing house/senate

very, very sobering testimony.

[reprobate]

36. There are literaly hundreds of warheads unguarded in russia.

I'd be willing to bet that nation-states are not the only ones with nukes now. Their problem will be obtaining the control and detonation controlers necessary to trigger.

As far as delivery systems are concerned, never mind the ICBMs, FED EX will do it far cheaper and easier.

[A Simple Game]

45. That shouldn't have been funny, but I laughed.

[reprobate]

48. It wasn't meant to be funny, but I can see the humour.

We normally think of huge multistage delivery systems, but when you think about it, a horsecart will do it too, just a bit slower.

[A Simple Game]

58. I know it wasn't meant to be funny.

But you see those trucks everywhere. They give you the time of delivery almost down to the minute, and are probably just given a quick glance as they drive into the basements of most federal buildings.

[T Bone]

29. There is a long Gulf Coast for us to worry about

given the incredible laxity by the Bush Administration in regard to port and container ship security.

[cubsfan forever]

27. Memo to Chickenhawk George:

You can run, but you can't hide.

Professor 2

[mmonk]

25. Maybe red states

http://www.antiwar.com/cole/?articleid=3898

[leesa]

31. Will bin Laden start squeezing Bush for more money?

He is sitting pretty because he can bring the whole house of cards down. Bush assisted with 9-11 and he knows the story and the players.

[goforit]

34. And tooo many witnesses know!!!

[goforit]

33. If he targets any state that went for Kerry then you know * did it!!!

[are_we_united_yet]

35. Ha!

I never thought of that.

[Carl Brennan]

37. OBL is a CIA asset!!!

The SOB worked for the CIA in Afghanistan and never went off the payroll. He cropped up again in the Balkans in the mid-90's when Al Qaeda was was helping Halliburton with the Trans-Balkan Pipeline.

[hangloose]

38. He's the ever present Boggy Man, perhaps we will have as

many installments as sequels to Friday the 13th. Guess what color his robes will be, seagreen or peach?

[The Zanti Regent]

39. The face may be OBL, but the plan will be Karl's

Mark my words, Karl Rove is planning the next Reichstag burning right now, and this time they will blame it on Syria.

[wordout]

44. I've been posting same thing for over a year!

God bless Wesley Clark for his contribution to exposing the pnac.

[TheDebbieDee]

40. DuctapeFatwa. I read in another thread that you......

unmasked as a freeper last night and was banned. So, everything got straightened out, huh? :hi:

p.s. You don't really know me, I've just always liked your name.

[Ripley]

49. Click on profile...

It's gone.

[ima_sinnic]

41. OBL must get a real healthy commission for these appearances

it's a win-win for both sides.

[Behind the Aegis]

47. The real questions.

Most will say, why? But, the real questions are when, where, and with what! I don't think we will see another "big production." Since he has said he wants to hurt our economy, what would do more damage than scaring the hell out of people by hitting "soft" targets like Wal-Mart or other economic powerhouses? They had 19 terrorists take down four planes, what if they sent those 19 into 19 stores in various locales, this time suburban and rural, and blow themselves up in the middle of a store? It would be as "spectacular" as the Trade Center and Pentagon, but it would strike terror in the hearts of the those in the "Heartland." This is what scares me the most! He is insane, much like the president. I can only hope that Allah will strike compassion into his heart!

[Yavin4]

50. Hey OBL, Hit A Red State

Get a map and strike a red state. Leave the blue states alone.

[durablend]

54. That'd be perfect...

Hit em in the "heartland of America"

Then maybe these fuckers will wake up

[cubsfan forever]

56. The heartland of America,

including my birth-state of Iowa, has been brain-dead and spineless for decades. Nothing will wake them up. They will just say it is "God's will" or blame Clinton.

Professor 2
I am so enraged that Nader allowed Iowa to go red!

PS~Fuck you Ralph!

[Sterling]

51. I get it. Osama is the new M Moore? They are trying to demonize

the truth by having their boy Osama using lefty talking points. Hmm. At first I did not understand why they would have Osama come out and punk Bush before the election. Now it makes sense. They knew they had it diebolded and were dragging Osama out to suppress the view point that Bush is a lying sack of greedy shit.

[noamnety]

53. the scary thing is

bin laden is telling a hell of a lot more truth than Bush is lately.

[Gregorian]

59. So true. He's a much smarter man.

And probably a lot kinder too. Even my 80 year old parents think so. Why America is so fucking dumb, is beyond me.

[byronm]

57. But .. But.. But...

(sarcasm on)

I thought the world was safer with Bush relected?

(sarcasm off)