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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:23 AM
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Debate prescription for Dr. Dean
http://www.msnbc.com/news/960834.asp?cp1=1

WASHINGTON, Sept. 3 — Somehow it’s appropriate that the Democratic presidential campaign begins in earnest this week in a place called Popejoy Hall. The first of a nearly endless series of cable-TV debates among the nine contenders will be held there, on the campus of the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque, Thursday night. I predict that no pope will be anointed and that there will be no joy in the hall. The event is all about Dr. Howard Dean, and the question of who takes him on, and how — and how Dean responds. It could be pretty grim, because the stakes are too high for a lot of laughs.

CAMPAIGN 2004 already has been an amazing show, and it hasn’t even started. With shrewd management, high-tech savvy and an angry anti-Bush message, Dean — the one-time internist and former governor of Vermont — has surged to the lead in the race for the Democratic nomination. An obscurity a few months ago, he is the frontrunner now, and everyone knows it.

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The Bush White House and its Republican allies are salivating at the chance to run against Dean, who opposes the war in Iraq, favors civil unions and abortion rights, and hails from a tiny New England state where wearing Birkenstocks is not a social crime. At a July 4 parade in his Washington neighborhood, Bush svengali Karl Rove declared to anyone within earshot that he wanted Dean to be the Democratic nominee. (I think he meant it.) Following Rove’s lead, GOP House Leader Tom DeLay has picked a rhetoric fight with Dean, with the clear intent of elevating Dean’s stature among his fellow Democrats. DeLay called him a “cruel, loudmouth extremist” — no higher form of praise from DeLay, and in the minds of grassroots activists in both parties.

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:29 AM
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1. No doubt Rove meant his Dean remark
No doubt the day will come he'll wish he could eat his words.
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 12:17 PM
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4. It's a feint
He's just hoping to discredit Dean so that Lieberpuke would win the nomination, who would then in turn devote all of his energies to praising the Repuke administration - talk about a dream come true for Repukes!
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 01:07 AM
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11. Certainly. No one could be more honest or forthright by nature. (NT)
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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:33 AM
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2. Their problem will be
Edited on Wed Sep-03-03 11:35 AM by rpalochko
That they believe their own propaganda about Dean.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 12:01 PM
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3. Like Fat Bastard says...
...everybody likes their own brand (poot).
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 12:49 PM
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5. I see whore Fineman is at it again
I expect Dr. Dean will be just fine if he can just ignore Kucinich blowing a fuse. And I expect Dennis will go on his NAFTA, WTO and health care rant.

Wonder how heavily they'll have to medicate Whistle-Ass in the '04 debates to keep him from having an onstage temper tantrum!
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 12:54 PM
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6. so you really believe that
Whistle-Ass will even agree to a debate?

Somehow I can't even imagine it :shrug:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 01:10 PM
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7. I want to know--
"The Bush White House and its Republican allies are salivating at the chance to run against Dean,"


What evidence does Fineman have of this?

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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 01:30 PM
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8. That wet spot on the front of their pants isn't drool.
Dr. Dean is scaring the piddle out of them.
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UnapologeticLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 04:12 PM
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9. I am going to be so nervous tomorrow
This debate and how Dean performs could have a huge impact on the race. Does anyone know what time it is and if C-Span or any other channels are showing it?

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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:48 PM
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10. Thank you... I have the same question n/t

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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 01:34 AM
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12. Both of our local PBS Stations are airing the debate LIVE
Edited on Thu Sep-04-03 01:35 AM by VolcanoJen
Check your local PBS Listings!! Although... if it's in New Mexico, why is it being aired at 8:00 ET? What time (local) does the debate start?

ON EDIT: Hosted by Bill Richardson... BONUS!!!! :-)

From my local (Cincinnati, Ohio) TVGuide.com listings:

8:00 PM Channel 952 WCETP Thursday, 4

Presidential Debate
Democratic Candidates
90 min.
Democratic presidential candidates meet at the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque. Ray Suarez of PBS's “NewsHour” and Univision newsanchor Maria Elena Salinas are the moderators of the forum, which is hosted by New Mexico governor Bill Richardson and members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.


Category: News, Politics
Release Year: 2003


Additional Airings
Date Time Channel VCR Plus+
Thursday, 4 9:00 PM 16 WPTD N/A



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