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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 10:35 PM
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Reuters: China Lays Into 'Bush Doctrine' Ahead of U.S. Poll
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 10:41 PM by truthpusher
Please rate the story - it's definately not a good story for *

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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041101/wl_nm/china_usa_dc_2

China Lays Into 'Bush Doctrine' Ahead of U.S. Poll

25 minutes ago World - Reuters

BEIJING (Reuters) - On the eve of the U.S. election, China laid into what it called the "Bush doctrine," said the Iraq (news - web sites) war has destroyed the global anti-terror coalition and blamed arrogance for the problems dogging the United States worldwide.

The searing article was as close to a position on the U.S. presidential election as China has come, but it made no mention of Massachusetts Senator John Kerry (news - web sites), the Democratic Party's challenger to President Bush (news - web sites) in Tuesday's presidential contest.

The United States was dreaming if it thought the 21st century was the American century, wrote Qian Qichen, one of the main architects of China's foreign policy, in a commentary in the English-language China Daily newspaper.

"The current U.S. predicament in Iraq serves as another example that when a country's superiority psychology inflates beyond its real capability, a lot of trouble can be caused," Qian wrote.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041101/wl_nm/china_usa_dc_2

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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 10:37 PM
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1. Seriously this is some scary shit
I sometimes wonder if countries are secretly planning to attack us.
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:32 PM
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9. Our idiots thought if they would bring business to China that they would
not be a threat. Idiots. Not everyone can be bought off like Republicans like to think. The Chinese have always been a coutry that the USA should be cautious of.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 07:48 AM
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23. basically we are screwed if * is reelected
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:39 AM
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31. Agreed. The rest of the civilized world will NOT tolerate,...
,...another imperialistic endeavor by scoundrels believing they can rule the rest of the globe.

We can already look forward to blowback as a result of the neoCONs' utopian "blood for oil" endeavors. But, if they stay in control,...we may very well experience things we have never before witnessed.

UGH!!!
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:46 PM
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33. China has an increasing demand for oil
It is in *their* national interests to not allow the US to control the oil in the middle east.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 10:38 PM
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2. and the world watches
american hubris

the biggest guns and the smallest minds
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 10:42 PM
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3. rate it a 5 = just checked and it is accepting ratings - so far 240/4.4
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 10:48 PM
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4. I still don't know
how you *rate* an article. What do I have to do?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 10:52 PM
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6. Scroll down to the box with the blue numbers.
Yeah, it's not obvious at all. You have to click on one of the numbers.
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:20 PM
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8. Thank you!
:hi:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 10:50 PM
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5. A small group of people in the entire world are duped by Bush
They can be identified by the Bush signs on their lawns.

I wholeheartedly believe that China has been seriously underestimated. They have the manufacturing base. They have the numbers.

Furthermore, if the country continues to behave in accordance with Republican "values", America will be stopped from the outside. One way or another.
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:33 PM
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10. Funny!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:00 PM
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7. 10:00 p.m. CST
You have given the news article China Lays Into 'Bush Doctrine' Ahead of U.S. Poll a rating of 5.
Its current average rating is 4.00 with 287 vote(s).
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Think this was in any way connected (maybe to counteract) the Putin endorsement of a couple of weeks or whavever ago?
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debatepro Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 11:52 PM
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11. Free Tibet!!!!
You know when they are coming down on you it must be bad.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:23 AM
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12. So our money tree talks! Surprises for Walmart and others to come.
Stay tuned as our Communist "friends" of all US companies that like to make money and screw US workers starts to get a bit more chatty towards us.

"The United States was dreaming if it thought the 21st century was the American century".....looks like GM/WalMart/GE/others execs better bone up on their Communist Cliff Notes.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:43 AM
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17. there are two threads, I posted in other, but minor repeat
No kidding...this is the most frightening news story I've read in a while.

The stupidest thing America has done in the last 50 years was sign the China PNTR free trade agreement.

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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:00 AM
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25. We are funding our eventual overthrow...nice.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:43 AM
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13. China Attacks Bush over World Rule Role
On the eve of the US presidential election, China accused President George Bush of trying to “rule over the whole world,” saying the invasion of Iraq destroyed the global anti-terrorism coalition and worsened religious and ethnic conflicts.

The strikingly pointed criticism from a government that Washington calls a key anti-terrorism ally was a departure from China’s past refusal to comment on the US presidential candidates.It came in a commentary in a state newspaper by Vice Premier Qian Qichen, who criticised the “Bush Doctrine” as a policy of pre-emptive military attack and a Cold War relic.

“It advocates the United States should rule over the whole world with overwhelming force,” said the lengthy commentary in the China Daily, an English-language newspaper aimed at foreign readers.China has supported the US-led anti-terrorism campaign, but is wary of Bush’s intentions. Beijing worries about Washington’s heightened presence in Central and South Asia, concerned that it threatens Chinese ambitions to be the region’s dominant military power.

It wasn’t clear what prompted Monday’s commentary, but US-Chinese relations have been strained by disputes over trade and Washington’s refusal to send home Chinese Muslim detainees at the US military base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Qian, who was China’s foreign minister for more than a decade in the late 1980s and early ’90s, criticized Bush’s decision to invade Iraq, saying “the world’s situation in response to the war is in effect a negative answer.”“Washington opened a Pandora’s box, intensifying intermingled conflicts, such as ethnic and religious ones,” Qian wrote.


http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3699839
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:03 AM
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27. a leader of the most populous nation in the world says * is:
"rule over the whole world,” - this scares the poop out of me - not good.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:47 AM
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14. Didn't Powell, Mr. Arrogance, go out there to mess w/ their minds?
Thanks for the Bullseye on our head Bush!!
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:57 AM
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19. Colin Powell Misspoke?
Welcome to People in the Know on China Radio International, or on www.crienglish.com. I¡¯m Lin Shaowen.
In accordance with academic theory ¨C diplomacy means the skill to be vague on certain occasions and to call a spade a spade at other times. But we stubborn journalists just keep asking, ¡°What the hell do you mean?¡±
And today, we feature such a puzzle.
During his visit to China last week, Colin Powell talked to the press three times on a single day, last Monday, to interpret, or maybe reinterpret, the US policy on the question of Taiwan.
The world heard him saying, ¡°There is only one China. Taiwan is not independent. It does not enjoy sovereignty as a nation¡± and twice saying ¡°a peaceful unification¡± or ¡°reunification¡± of China, rather than ¡°a peaceful resolution¡± as often said by the US government in the past.
Sounds clearer than before, but we still wonder --
Is it a change of policy or just different wording for the same policy?
Is it strategic clarity replacing strategic ambiguity?
And is it real policy stuff of mere election language?
But wait a second before we really tackle those questions, because only two days later when he returned to Washington, the same honorary gentleman backed off. In another press interview, he picked up the old term ¡°a peaceful resolution¡± and made no mention of no independence and no sovereignty for Taiwan.
Confusing? Why backing off? Did he misspeak? Where did he misspeak?
Since this ¡°term of art¡± is really beyond my understanding, I now talk to two diplomat analysts, one American and the other Chinese. Joining me on the line from Washington, is Dr. Ted Carpenter. He is vice president for Defense and Foreign Policy Studies at the Kato Institute. And from Los Angeles is Professor Shen Dingli. Professor Shen is executive vice dean of the Institute of International Studies at the Shanghai-based Fudan University¡¯s. Welcome to the show, gentlemen.

http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/1375/2004-11-1/35@164062.htm

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 12:48 AM
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15. This isn't a good story for Americans in general either :/ I rated it high
Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 12:52 AM by w4rma
because Americans need to see that there are other nations waiting patiently as we weaken our country battling fruitless wars and sending all our skilled work to China.

I listen to China because they are becoming the next superpower as Repukes destroy this nation's power.
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:36 AM
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16. This is a warning
China has to be very upset to take this tone with the US, generally they are much more diplomatic and would not put this in a newspaper for the world to see. Saying we wouldn't have the 21 century, sounds like an implied threat or warning. We certainly did have the 20 century.


They about have a lock on most of our consumer goods ,at present at a cheap price. We don't even have the tools and machinery to manufacture a large amount of these items , as China has bought them when our plants closed down. What if they increased prices substantially?

My personal opinion has always been that China bears watching. They had contracts with Afghanistan and Iraq for fiber optics etc. They have a world market now.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 04:23 AM
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21. "The 21st century is not the 'American century'."
Great... China read the PNAC website, but our own media failed to do so? :shrug:
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:56 AM
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18. This is simply payback for our Tiananment outrage.
The Chinese have every reason to speak out this way against Bush's policies. But some of the language is a little superior, as is to be expected from people who ardently believe their race is superior to all others.

They are taking this opportunity to stick it to Bush who absolutely deserves it.

Meantime, they now own huge chunks of our national debt. What happens if they collectively decide to sell?
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 04:18 AM
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20. PNAC?
Did the Chinese just refer in a sideways manner to the PNAC? I know it won't happen, can't happen with such a short time before the election (a national or even international discussion of the PNAC), but a girl can dream, can't she?
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 04:52 AM
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22. PNAC is exactly what they were refering to. France, Germany and Russia
declined the Bush/Blair invitation to join the coalition to invade Iraq for the same reason.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 07:52 AM
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24. here we go - some bad stuff already happening in China:
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:01 AM
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26. rated
You have given the news article China Lays Into 'Bush Doctrine' Ahead of U.S. Poll a rating of 5.
Its current average rating is 3.67 with 689 vote(s).
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:56 AM
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28. related article: China Accuses Bush of Attempting to Dominate the World
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=hotnews&alt=&trh=20041101&hn=13521

On the eve of the US Presidential election Deputy Prime Minister of China Qian Qichen accused US President George W. Bush of attempting to dominate the world.

Qian also said that Bush, by invading Iraq, caused the destruction of the international coalition against global terror and more conflicts of culture. The world's reaction to it is naturally negative. Bush's doctrine is too aggressive asserted Qian. It is, he said, a remnant of Cold War thinking.

...very short newsblurb...
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democracy eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:04 AM
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29. isn't it great that the US deficit and the Iraq
is essentially financed by Chinese owned bonds?
Isn't that great?
Isn't it great that the corporate masters have sold the US and the West out to China for short term profit and greed????
Isn't it great that the Bush has severely weakened the US's military capacity!!!

wow, like everything Buchco does, they can't even take over the world with out it backfiring and making the situation worse.

ahhhhh!!!

let the clash of empires begin

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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 07:08 PM
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39. China does not have to attack us militarilly....
they could probably bring down the U.S. dollar in one fell swoop. This could possibly be the "rope" by which the U.S. hangs itself, if we stay with Bush.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:34 AM
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30. Wonder what cool words of wisdom Condi has in response to that?
Release our pilots!!!

Only if you apologize...OK...we apologize for being arrogant.

Go Condi go.
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 01:33 PM
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32. PNAC explained by William Rivers Pitt
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:01 PM
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34. China should talk... A giant prision of 1 Billion people with Thought
Police, Gulags, An Empire and a Slave Labor Market!
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:07 PM
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35. We are the enablers of this slave market - I can see 50 or more..
...products within my line of sight - in my office that have been made in China.
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The Animator Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:15 PM
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36. Thought police, gulags, an Empire, and a slave labor market...
And China isn't any better... oh wait, they didn't invade Iraq though.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 02:17 PM
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37. Axis of Executioners--China, Iran, and
the UNITED STATES. Also, the home of the free has the fastest growing prison population on the planet --can you spell SLAVE LABOR???

Police, Gulags, a Banana Republican Empire, and Slave Labor Market!! Where else but the US of A!!! :spank:

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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 06:55 PM
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38. slave?
They make ten cents an hour.
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The Animator Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 10:12 AM
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40. Yeah... ten cents is alot of money!...
Well... it was in 1935.. but now, damn 10 cents?

You work a 10 hour shift and get a dollar? You can't even buy a decent candy bar for a dollar anymore. Might as well be slave labor, the ten cents is obviously a technical loophole.
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