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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:06 AM
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Kelly's final e-mails revealed (Sent one to the NYT Judith Miller)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3076634.stm

<snip>A number of e-mails, written off-line, were all sent together at 1118 BST on 17 July, just over three hours before Dr Kelly set off for his final walk.

Among them was one to Gaeta Kingdom at Oxford University saying: "Many thanks for your thoughts and prayers. It has been a remarkably tough time. Should all blow over by early next week, then I will travel to Baghdad a week Friday. I have had to keep a low profile which meant leaving home for a week. Back now. With best wishes and thanks for your support. David"

The inquiry was shown further e-mails including one to Judith Millers saying: "Judy I will wait until the end of the week before judging - many dark actors playing games. Thanks for your support. I appreciate your friendship at this time."

ACC Page said he had made extensive inquiries as a result of the suggestion there were "many dark actors playing games".

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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:07 AM
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1. The "investigation" of course showed it was suicide.
Nothing to see hear . . . keep moving.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:14 AM
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2. many of the vince foster conspiracy theorists
will just write this off with a nod & a wink.

all in the course of empire.
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:21 AM
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3. This was written by a man who took 30 Pain pills! This is Unbelivable!
Why 30 Pills is this code for the 33rd degree Scottish Rite FreeMason

This looks CIA NSA to me!

:bounce:
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Kucinich04 Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 03:48 AM
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9. 30 pills is nothing to an addict...
Not saying he was one. But I've seen people snort 3 x 80 Mg Oxycontins, which is 48 Percocets, in the course of 5 minutes. Just to 'get straight'. I have then watched them proceed to have perfectly cogent and coherent conversations for hours on end afterward. 30 pills sounds like a lot to someone who doesn't take them all the time, but trust me, if you're experienced with the drug, it ain't any big thing to knock back 30.
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 04:19 AM
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10. But what is Coproxamal
Is it a salicylate. Is it like Celebrex? Is it a narcotic analgesic?
If it is a salicylate, that would make him bleed out easier. If it is a narcotic, his respirations would have slowed down. Even if he was a drug user, the respirations slow down. The article says that he took his wifes arthritis medicine. I would not think that an arthritis medicine would be the drug of choice to overdose on. More women attempt suicide then men, men are just more sucessful at it. Women try to overdose on pills, men shoot themselves in the head. Women cut their wrist, men will jump off of a high rise building etc.. He made plans for the future, not consistant in my mind. Did he start giving his things away, valuables that he knew he would not be using anymore? Was he showing any signs of depression, any anhedonia? I don't like it, I think he was killed untill proven otherwise.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 07:53 AM
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15. It is a narcotic.
I looked it up. It is not one of the strongest ones, but 30 pills are lethal to most people.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 02:11 AM
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4. This does not sound like a man who is about to take his life --
not even close. If I were a member of his family I would be screaming for a non-government investigation of his death. This man was making plans, had the wherewithal to be thoughtful and appreciative of others and thought things were looking up. I'm sorry, but a man three hours from going through the anguishing deliberations and painful acts necessary to take one's life does not act like this. Making a death look like a suicide is not hard to do -- especially if the perpetrator was an expert secret service type. I want to know more about the dark actors.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 02:20 AM
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5. Assassinated is what it sounds like. His wife is really honest
he knows he was upset and she says he was upset but killing ones self and making your wife and family live through that hell is NOT what Kelly did. He probably felt the same sadness as a lover's quarrel or you just got in a car accident and totaled the cars. But suicide?

If Mrs. Kelly was coached she could have brought down Blair in seconds by calling press conference and saying, 'my husband did NOT commit suicide.' Nice to know there are still honest people left in the world.

Shame on Blair and Bush for ordering the assassination.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 02:23 AM
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7. Why is everyone ignoring the fact that Kelly's family
(wife, daughter and sister) all testified that they have no doubt he committed suicide?
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He loved Big Brother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 05:38 AM
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11. No doubt they have.
Scared into submission, or worse.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 05:54 AM
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12. Human nature!
Good poker players know who to bluff!
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rjbcar27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 06:17 AM
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13. This 'assassination' talk is ridiculous.
I have seen nor heard any evidence that points in any direction other than suicide.

Who would gain by Dr. Kellys death?

No-one.

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 02:22 AM
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6. If Judith Miller were my friend, I might think about calling it a life
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 02:49 AM
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8. Ouch!
But, yes, Judith Miller is hardly a reputable source for facts...

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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 07:25 AM
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14. What about the "other" Judith Miller?
Edited on Fri Sep-05-03 07:27 AM by teryang
You know those journalistic reports that it wasn't the NYT miller it was somebody else who was an English national. Why would someone even be motivated to tell that lie?

He was told in no uncertain terms to quit speaking to the press. This email is proof that he continued to disregard that rule. What is the full text of her email. Who did she call? Her sponsors at the Pentagon? The anthrax people? The CIA?

There is complete lack of coherence and thoroughness concerning the facts about Kelly's death. I have no doubt he was murdered for proving as an authoritative source in national security that her majesties government was in flagrante delicto. Anyone who thinks the Brits don't murder for the political benefit of state are living in a dream world.

They won't draw the whole picture. It's too full of holes. The guy is held prisoner and interrogated by the MND. They try to break him. He requires a safe house. They try to politically destroy him in Parliament on televison. After an email to anthrax miller he is dead. How convenient. It's not a conspiracy. It's syncronicity.
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