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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:28 PM
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2nd Site With U.N.-Sealed Arms Was Looted, Inspectors Report
2nd Site With U.N.-Sealed Arms Was Looted, Inspectors Report

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
http://nytimes.com/2004/10/31/international/middleeast/31chemical.html

Published: October 31, 2004

The Associated Press

Looters overran an Iraqi complex last year where a bunker holding old chemical weapons was sealed by United Nations monitors, American arms inspectors have reported.

The American inspectors say all of the sealed structures at the Muthanna site, 35 miles northwest of Baghdad, were broken into. But it is unknown if usable chemical warheads were in the bunker, what may have been taken and by whom.

"Clearly, there's a potential concern, but we're unable to estimate the relative level of it because we don't know the condition of the things inside the bunker," said Ewen Buchanan, spokesman for the United Nations arms inspection agency, whose specialists have been barred from Iraq since the invasion.

In a lengthy Oct. 6 report summarizing a fruitless search for banned weapons in Iraq, the inspectors known as the Iraq Survey Group disclosed that widespread looting occurred at Muthanna after the fall of the Iraqi capital in April 2003.

An annex of the 985-page report said every United Nations-sealed location at the desert installation had been breached in the looting spree, and "materials and equipment were removed."

Bunker 2 at Muthanna State Establishment, once Iraq's central chemical weapons production site, was put under the control of the United Nations in early 1991 after it was damaged by an American bomb in the Persian Gulf war. At the time, Iraq said 2,500 sarin-filled artillery rockets had been stored there.

The United Nations teams sealed the bunker with brick and reinforced concrete, rather than immediately attempt the risky job of clearing weapons or remnants from under a collapsed roof and neutralizing them.

A C.I.A. analysis hypothesized in 1999 that all the sarin must have been destroyed by fire. But a United States General Accounting Office review last June questioned that analysis, and the United Nations, whose teams were there, said the extent of destruction was never determined.

One chemical weapons expert said even old, weakened nerve agents - in this case sarin - could be a threat to unprotected civilians.

The weapons involved would be pre-1991 artillery rockets filled with sarin, or their damaged remnants - weapons that were openly declared by Iraq and were under United Nations control until security fell apart with the American attack.



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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:34 PM
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1. UN Seal = Don't Protect (or so our troops were ordered, heck they weren't
even informed what UN seals were). Now go to Baghdad, it will be a "cakewalk" with "no casualties" where you can capture the oil ministry.

Why were our soldiers overturning statues of Saddam and securing the oil ministry instead of guarding weapons depots ? Because in "BUSHWORD", insurgency and long term occupation were never planned for. Donald Rumsfield, in fact, approved of the looting as something that "free people do".
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:37 PM
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4. "It's just a vase"...none of the neocon morons would listen to people who
knew it would turn out to be a clusterfuck (or the millions of people all over the world who knew it too, even without any "intel".
:grr:
But it's just a bit 'untidy'...
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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:49 PM
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7. you have got to see this the insurgents are using these ! n/t
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:35 PM
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2. They probably ALL were.
:eyes:
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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:36 PM
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3. So more of the material on which we made our bogus wmd claim, when we went
into Iraq, we simply ignore it and now it is on the black market, if not in the hands of looters.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:53 PM
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8. No that isn't why bush said he had to invade Iraq.
The "WMD" that's been known and under UN/IAEA seal since 1991 is NOT bush's "WMD" justification; even bush wasn't stupid enough to try saying we had to invade Iraq because of KNOWN and SECURED "WMD".

bush said Iraq had UNDECLARED and HIDDEN stockpiles of "WMD".

NO, Iraq did NOT.

But BUSH didn't even care about securing the KNOWN and PREVIOUSLY-SECURED "WMD" that was SAFE and SECURE...UNTIL bush's invasion.


bush, as he's done all his life, fcked up and made things worse for everyone.



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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:44 PM
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5. Sarin nerve gas ! If this gets used against our troops. In fact I think it
once was. Let me do some research.
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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:46 PM
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6. Check this out, these weapons are being USED by the insurgents !
http://216.26.163.62/2004/ss_iraq_05_27.html

U.S. confirms sarin shell was 'pre-Gulf War' chemical weapon

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Thursday, May 27, 2004

The United States has confirmed the use of Iraqi chemical weapons in the current insurgency war against the coalition.

Officials said a 155 mm artillery shell used in an attack against U.S. troops in Iraq contained sarin, a lethal nerve agent. The officials said the 155 mm artillery shell came from the weapons arsenal of the former Saddam Hussein regime.

"That was a pre-Gulf War shell is what it was determined to be, first of all," Brig. Gen. David Rodriguez, deputy director for operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on Wednesday. "So that's, you know, in a different category, obviously, than you know, other chemical weapons out there. But it's been proved to be sarin."

The 155 mm artillery shell was planted along the side of the road and meant to explode as a U.S. convoy passed. Instead, the binary chemical round was detected by U.S. troops and exploded as it was being detonated.

Officials said only a small amount of sarin was released from the explosion on May 15. The 155 mm shell was designed to produce sarin after it was shot from an artillery gun. Nobody was seriously hurt in the explosion in Iraq.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:56 PM
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9. Debunked
After final testing, it wasn't sarin.

"World Tribune" = Drudge & NewsMarx meets Faux Moos.
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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:59 PM
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10. Who debunked it ? Because if it was the US government, then I'd call that
a cover up !
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:06 PM
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11. The independant labs
The US military does 3 tests on-site. Then 3 different labs do testing. The labs said it was fuel, not sarin.

The bush admin & the rightwingnuts went crazy until then, saying the 1 shell justified the entire invasion & occupation, so no, I don't think the debunking was any gov't cover up.

The 1991 US blowing up of a chemical weapons cache and exposing thousands of US troops to the chemical fall-out was/is a gov't cover up.
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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:28 PM
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12. good point. thanks lynn. n/t
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 02:33 PM
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13. similar topic here:
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