Double Registrations In Ohio, Fla.

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The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that some 27,000 people are registered both in Ohio and Florida. Analysts and polls indicated that those states are among the tightest races this election.

The paper said virtually nothing prevents transitory voters from casting ballots in multiple states.

Federal voting laws require states to compile statewide voter registration lists. But states rarely coordinate with each other to find double registrations.

The paper said records show some voters registered in both Florida and Ohio in the same month.
http://www.local6.com/politics/3877036/detail.html

I haven't researched yet, but is there a tie with the Ohio top brass and the Bushies?

[still_one]

1. I don't believe it

this is part of the repuke spin to put doubt in people's minds

IT IS BULLSHIT

[elehhhhna]

3. Its' reeps, folks. Who has winter homes w/Fla adresses?

[Pirate Smile]

8. Exactly. Has anyone ever canceled your previous voter registration

when you move, or go away to college, or have a second home?

Didn't they try to make a big deal out of this with MM? He registered in NY, where he was living now, and didn't "cancel" his registration in MI.

I have moved so many times and been registered in many states and I have never heard of anyone canceling their previous registration. You vote where you are now.

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. You know, I have always assumed it was handled like

drivers licenses -- that when you get a new one, the state notifies the previous state that it is superseding their registration.

It never occurred to me that the DMV has a huge bureaucracy, while the state election boards are begging for help. They would have to maintain an equally huge year-round staff to process out-of-state address changes (ok, not equally huge, but much larger than currently).

I have never canceled a voter registration, or been notified that it has been canceled by the bureaucracy, and in my younger years I'd have three or four addresses in a year, and sometime live in two or three different states. (I have settled down a bit since then.)

[LiberalFighter]

22. I cancelled twice...

Once when I moved to Indiana and once when I moved to my home a year later.

Indiana has a spot that asks for previous registration address.


I doubt that DMV would communicate/assist with Election Boards in identifying voters that have moved. At least in Indiana and I am sure it is the same in most of the other states.

DMV has it easier to invalidate drivers license in previous states. They only have to communicate with the state because drivers licenses are issued by the state. Voters registration on the other hand are issued by individual counties and kept only by the county... were kept only by the county until just recently. Federal law now requires state-wide databases but do you think that has been fully implemented in all the states?

The other problem at least here is that counties are responsible for the Voter Registration and Election Board budgets. Not the state. Just this year Voter Registration could not give out forms to groups as they use to because of budget problems. They would give a few and then they would have to make additional copies.

As for those moving there is or use to be a means to determine if voters had moved via the Post Office that was provided by federal law. But that is not used or seldom used.

[Ducks In A Row]

33. Hell, I lived and voted in three different states before I moved to Oregon

never cancelled a registration, probably still listed in the voters rolls elsewhere in the country.

[clydefrand]

29. We do, but we're only registered in VA.

I believe one has to be in FL six months of the year to be considered a resident.

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31. 'Tis them small business owners that have summer & winter homes

 Vote as if your life depended on it, because it does.

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[Julien Sorel]

4. I do believe it.

They call them "snowbirds." They live in the Midwest, but move to Florida and Arizona to escape the cold winters. They are generally affluent and retired -- many of the Republicans.

[clydefrand]

30. Call us snowbirds, but please, not rich repugs

[Julien Sorel]

32. That's why I said "many."

In my experience, the majority are Republicans, but certainly not all.

[goforit]

2. Interesting dilema.

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. Qualifiers:

First they would have to confirm that the voters are the same individuals; Second, don't assume that it's true Democrats doing the double-registration; and third, you have to catch them double voting.

It's not illegal to register in both states. It's only illegal to vote in both states.

[LiberalFighter]

24. I wouldn't have a problem with voters being registered in two states but..

they should specify which state they will vote just for federal offices.

If a person has homes in two states and does the sno-bird thing then they should be permitted to vote for local offices in both places because they pay taxes and legislation effects them.

There would have to be a criteria to determine which state would be used to vote in just federal elections... like where are they usually from October to November?

It would also require the voter files to include a field to indicate the type of ballot they can vote. Most likely, many states would consider it too much trouble.

[The Backlash Cometh]

27. A most difficult proposition.

But, it looks like the answer is to start tracking people by Social Security no.

[intheflow]

39. Like the EC

this is just another example of how out-moded our national election process is. When these rules were put in place, it would take months to go from Ohio to Florida, now it's hours. SO much easier for voter fraud.

[bullimiami]

6. good after this election is over

we track their asses down and toss them in jail.

[robbedvoter]

7. Geez! What a coinkidink! Ohio/Florida! These wouldn't be the people

RNC registered republican without their knowledge now, wouldn't it? (forging signatire too - as per greg palast)

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9. Snowbirds only maybe

First, a snowbird is a person who likes the snow, but I know what you mean.

There are a lot of people who live north and move south for the winter. As someone who lives in the north myself I see this a lot.

A lot head to Florida (also Arizona).

HOWEVER, I've never heard of them moving specifically from Ohio. If it was due to the migratory population, I'd also expect to see double registrations in Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, upstate NY, Michigan,... etc.

No one's mentioning that... just Ohio, which already has its own voting problems. Hence the question - is there a GOP machine in Ohio tied to the one in Florida?

[creeksneakers2]

10. One of the other goppers lists like this

Turned out to be highly flawed. They determine that a voter is registered in both states if they find the same name with the same birthday in both states. With millions of voters, these kinds of matches can be expected.

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11. Here's one small connection

Ohio's governor Bob Taft was Bush's campaign chairman (probably for Ohio) in 2000.

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2000/02/03/loc_taft_bushs_ohio.html

[madrchsod]

12. so you vote in ohio, then drive or fly to florida

just for one vote? 27,000 people are going to or have done this? that would be a very expensive vote....

[robbedvoter]

13. yeah, but demonrats are rich, non?

[mediaman007]

14. Not if you vote as an absentee

I don't think that too many Democrats would be shuffling between Florida and Ohio. But if its honest, the break might be 50/50.

[Tansy_Gold]

15. No, if it's done at all, it's done with an absentee ballot in

one of the states, in-person in the other, or absentee/mail-in for both.

Arizona is home to a lot of "snowbirds." There are probably more former Chicagoans in Arizona than anywhere else. (Think about it -- how many people were born in Sun City, Sun City West, Sun City Grand, Youngtown, Leisureworld, etc.) Arizona has early voting, so it would be easy as pie for someone to request an early ballot to be mailed to their "home" in Sun City, which would then be forwarded to their "home" in Mt Prospect. The Arizona ballot is mailed back, and on Tuesday the vote is cast in Illinois.

The same would be true of college students. Vote by mail in one place (if available,) in person in the other.

The chances of Dems having two (or more) residences is probably less than for pukes.

[Julien Sorel]

23. No, you vote by absentee ballot in Ohio,

or Michigan, or Wisconsin, then vote in Arizona or Florida however you choose.

[Cocoa]

17. the dems are going to steal it!!!!!

this stuff is just an excuse for the republicans to do things like challenges, and for use afterwards when they sue, or whatever they do.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

18. I would assume

That a seasonal (snowbird) resident would want to vote in local elections in their primary resident State and secondary. It does not mean double voting for a presidential election.

[Ohio rules]

20. Would the absentee ballot prevent this?

It does not mean double voting for a presidential election.

But, the possibility exists there on either ballot.

They wouldn't omit a presidential choice when you vote for the local school issues of your summer residence.
Then walk to the polls on a sunny morning in south fla?
where you theoretically could vote on those local school issues.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

25. It' is VERY possible

Texas also has quite a few "Winter Texans" that are dual registered. They could commit fraud, it's something that should be monitored. I just don't think a person should assume that is the reason. Many of the people I know just want to influence local elections that effect matters like zoning, etc.

[Ohio rules]

19. Vote absentee ballot

and vote on Tuesday.
It's noy just Fla and Ohio.

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[Media_Lies_Daily]

21. Red herring...lots of Dems are snowbirds, too.

[Zorra]

26. If they haven't been busted yet, it means that they are republicans. n/t

[bagnana]

28. I'm sure these are republicans

Remember that article that circulated online about a month ago? Republicans in Ohio sent out 1,000,000 applications for absentee ballots to anyone who once appeared on the republican rolls and now had moved to a different state. One guy had registered as a republican 8 years ago and moved to Wisconsin and never voted republican again -- he got a ballot application. The repub. response to questions about how do you know these people won't vote twice? They haven't been in the state for years? He said "we hope people won't vote twice." REPUBLICANS CAN ONLY WIN BY CHEATING!

[The Voice]

36. I moved from Ohio to a NE blue state.....

...last year.

My former home is situated in one of the most rabid Republican counties in Ohio-65% Bush in 2000, if memory serves. Recall that Ohio has crossover primary voting. The last time I indicated a party preference was in the 2000 primary when I voted for McCain in order to stick it to Smirk-Gore had a lock on the 2000 Democratic nomination.

Guess the Ohio Republican party thinks I'm a lock for Furious George.

Thus far, I have received three mailings, one absentee ballot, two recorded messages and within the last week, two live phone calls from the Ohio Republican party.

It's not hard to imagine what they hope to accomplish with mailings to a northeast address and calls to a non-Ohio area code.

If Ohio is close, each and every Bush absentee should be challenged.

The Voice

[The Voice]

38. Update: make that three recorded messages.

A pro Repig message from Rudy Giuliani at 4:30 PM EST.

"This message paid for by the Ohio Republican party."

The Voice

[hangloose]

35. Their to smug, they believe they can’t lose.

Don’t mean to insult anyone, but if ya’all out there think this administration is going to allow Bush to lose (fair and square) there drinking spiked juice. You See, I believe, (and Hope) if they lose they will all go to jail, because the secrecy veil will be slowing pulled back by a new power base to reveal civil and criminally activities of many that now serve the white house.

We are going to be in for a fight. So I suggest that we all prepare mentally for this eventuality. Don’t get me wrong I would like nothing better than to see this Idiot and his NEO-Commies gone but I’m a realist and like Bush ( how my God did I just say that) my GUT tells me they have far to much to lose, to lose.

[MsMagnificent]

37. Possibly, but are they registered Democrat or Republican?