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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:22 PM
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Justice Thomas Says He Would Prefer Not to Decide Another Election
Another Bush crook)
Justice Thomas Says He Would Prefer Not to Decide Another Election Lawsuit

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas said Thursday he would prefer not to face another election-related lawsuit, but defended the high court's decision to get involved in the contentious dispute over the 2000 presidential vote in Florida.

"What are you supposed to do when somebody brings a lawsuit?" Thomas asked University of Kansas law students. "You hear people say the Supreme Court jumped into the last election. I find it very ironic that the very people saying judges are interfering are bringing lawsuits." "What do you think? Donald Duck is going to decide it?"

When asked about the prospect of more litigation over the 2004 vote, Thomas said, "I would prefer not to have to decide it, but that joins a long list of things," adding: "It's my job."

Appointed to the court in 1991 by President George H.W. Bush, Thomas was part of a 5-4 Supreme Court majority that ended a recount in Florida in 2000, allowing Republican George W. Bush to claim the White House instead of Democrat Al Gore. Thomas made his comments during a question-and-answer session with about 90 students. He declined to be interviewed afterward; no audio or video recording devices were permitted. Thomas expressed confidence about his ability to remain impartial, responding to a question about the role religion plays in his work by saying, "You do ask for strength and wisdom to live up to your oath.


http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBDJMFIV0E.html
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:24 PM
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1. Unless Bush looses the vote that is
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:24 PM
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2. how about using the popular vote? that ever cross your mind, Clarence?
you lying, facist thug.
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Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:26 PM
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3. 'Prefer'?!!
If that Uncle Tom interferes with another election, he deserves Impeachment.
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Amigust Donating Member (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 03:24 AM
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59. "ANOTHER election" - ONE is enough to impeach all five.
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bagnana Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:29 PM
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4. The Supreme Court jumped into the election
when it stopped the vote by Scalia's injunction to prevent "irreparable injury to Mr. Bush". I think he is a lying pube-leaving second rate justice. Go drink a coke!
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:31 PM
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7. Yeah
Selective memory (Thomas's) must be a wonderful thing. For one thing, it means you never do anything wrong -- or questionable.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:33 PM
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9. They sure don't jump into any questionable death penalty cases
they politely but firmly turn those down. States rights and all that jazz.:eyes:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:31 PM
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5. QUACK!


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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 11:39 PM
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56. What do you think? Donald Duck is going to decide it?"
Didn't know that was his real name.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:31 PM
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6. Being a justice is hard work. I mean it's real hard. Really really hard.
.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:31 PM
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8. I would prefer that he not decide another election also.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:34 PM
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10. that's good
I'd prefer he never have anything to do with anything much less elections.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:38 PM
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13. Exactly.
It is clear to me, because of the language indicating that the case law did not apply to any other situation (as it normally would), or the mandated narrow interpretation of the 2000 decision, this was a favor to H.R.H. Dubya.

They do it again, and there will be protesting in the streets like this world has never seen before.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:34 PM
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11. Having 10's of thousands of lives on your mind... now that's hard
work.... knowing that you helped put a right wing extremist in office, that's real hard work... knowing that your country is in the gutter because of your vote... yeah... that's real hard to wake up with every morning.
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:37 PM
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12. We 'prefer' you all not have to decide an election either. People get
out the vote and throw W out. I think the voter turnout is going to be staggering.
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ElWood Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:02 PM
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21. I think the turnout....
.... will be downright historic! As will the results!


ElWood
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:46 PM
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28. and the Turn-AWAY will be Historic Also
Thousands of voters have had their registrations torn up by Sproul and associates,
they've been moving polling places around and if you go to the wrong
one you lose,
then there is the fake change-of-address trick to get Dems off the rolls,
and all the extra checkboxes, miss one and they throw out your registration
and probably half-a-dozen more that we don't even know about yet.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:35 PM
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26. EXACTLY!!!! America "prefers" that you keep your fat ass out of it!

New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional

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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:02 PM
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36. Yes, my friend , the line has been drawn!!!!
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:38 PM
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14. If he weren't an Uncle Tom,
he'd be clerking at a 7-11.
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:41 PM
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16. Whoa..
That's pretty damn offensive. What do you mean exactly?

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:04 PM
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37. He means
That Thomas is of a very low intellect and ability, and that if the Republicans had not been looking for a black person to agree with them, Thomas would not have received the last couple of judicial appointments he did, including the SC. Bush Daddy was looking for an ultra-conservative candidate that the Democrats would be afraid to reject, so he chose a black man with almost no judicial background, so that one, the Dems couldn't attack him without fear of racism charges, and two, so that there was not enough of a record to prove he was an ultra-conservative.

Republicans underestimated the AA community, of course, probably because they can't see a black person as having as much intelligence as a white person. The black community saw through Bush's scam, labelled Thomas "Justice Tom," and have never supported him.

If Thomas had not been a conservative, he would never have made it on his own abilities, because he has none. Read any of the few decisions he has written, they are like reading a C paper in an undergrad Poli Sci class.
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:19 PM
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41. Thanks!
And THAT is why I love DU.

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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:16 AM
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66. Good background on this
in David Brock's book "Blinded by the Right." He's the one who wrote the hatchet-job bio of Anita Hill and then later fessed up how poorly researched it was. He now has a website--Media Matters (?).
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:40 PM
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15. And then he was heard asking: "hey, is this a pubic hair in my coke?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:44 PM
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17. "But I will if forced to."
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 06:55 PM
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18. Conflict of interest?
Edited on Thu Oct-28-04 06:58 PM by teryang
Wasn't his wife working for the bush campaign?

(Who is img21.exs.cx? Every time I look at this page I get a firewall privacy warning.)
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:14 PM
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50. Yes and that's why the Uncle Tom should of
recused himself from the case his wife was already working on Bush’s transition team as pointed out in Vincent Bugliosli's book 'The Betrayal of America: How the Supreme Court Undermined the Constitution and Chose Our President'

Antonin Scumlia should of recused his self also his son was a law partner of the attorney representing *Bush.

The Felonious Five! I say, 'Cheney' them! I will never forget and I will NOT get over it!

and I believe Anita Hill!
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:08 AM
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61. I believed Anita Hill also
The judiciary hearings were a disgrace. Thomas' testimony alone regarding the Hill relationship even though it was a denial, contained enough admissions to place him in violation of Federal conflict of interest regulations pertaining to equal opportunity and employee relations. The committee studiously avoided mentioning these laws.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:01 PM
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19. Spin, Spin, Spin ...
As Mr. Justice Thomas surely knows, he's spinning like a top. Fact is that the United States Supreme Court does not have to grant certiorari to every case that comes their way. They could have (and should have) allowed the decision of the Florida Supremes (to conduct a statewide recount) stand. Instead, the Supreme Court "jumped into" that fracas to insure that Bush would win, and anybody who knows anything about the judiciary knows that to be true.

Supreme Court justices are not supposed to decide elections, and Bush v. Gore in 2000 set a horrible and potentially Constitution-shattering precedent. I dread to think what happens to our democracy if the Supreme Court decides another election.

-Laelth
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JusticeForAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:15 PM
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23. Right on Laelth
We'd PREFER he would stay out of this coming election, too.

They had no reason to interfere with the decision of the FL Supreme Court.

The country suffered a major crack as a result of the Sinister Five manipulating the Constitution for their partisan whims. The country has suffered so many more cracks in the after-shocks of their decision. Allowing this Administration to continue in their mismanagement will destroy us.
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drscm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:02 PM
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20. Another Repug whiner: "I didn't want to do it. It was a youthful
indescretion. It's hard, hard work. It's not my fault. It's the fault of those incompetent soldiers in Iraq. Saddam made me do it."
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:01 PM
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35. it was henry hyde, a youthful + 40 year old adulterating grandpa to boot
words, nor the symbolism behind them mean anything to the busheviks
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:08 PM
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22. it is unbelievable this guy is a Supreme Court justice
freaking scary
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justjones Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:26 PM
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24. So he admits the Supreme Court and NOT the people decided the election....
Pardon me, I know this isn't new information, but I find it even more disturbing that they don't feel the need to pretend like the election in 2000 wasn't decided by the Supreme Court. At least when the put up the facade, they did so because they knew the people wouldn't accept it.

By admitting it now, it's like they are saying the no longer give a fuck about the people and what we think. Welcome to the new theocracy folks!
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:30 PM
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25. As I've commented before
The Supremes looked around at one another and thought,"well if Ol' Clarence there can be a Supreme Court Justice, why not Dubya for president".
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:41 PM
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27. I don't think there will be an issue come Nov2
Kerry is going to win by a huge margin :)So no worries Clarence.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:49 PM
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31. How Big Does it Need to Be
to keep Diebold from stealing it,
or the Supreme Court from overturning it,
or the House of Representatives from getting to decide (for Booosh, of course).

Bottom line: Anything less than a historic landslide for Kerry means Booosh "wins" again.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:47 PM
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29. No problem, Long Dong Silver.
Kerry's gonna kick your boy's ass!
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delete_bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:48 PM
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30. He's right, you know. Donald Duck
would not have made such a Mickey Mouse decision.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:56 PM
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32. He should have recused himself from the last one, and been impeached
Edited on Thu Oct-28-04 07:57 PM by jobycom
for not doing so. His wife was directly connected to the Bush campaign, and Scalia's son was directly involved in the actual case before the Supreme Court. By all federal court standards both men should have recused themselves, and since they didn't, both men should have been impeached for violating the "good behavior" clause of the Constitution.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:58 PM
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33. The Court refuses to hear cases all the time.
He's full of crap.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:00 PM
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34. So Mr. Thomas,......are ya saying ya will chinken out again!!!!
Or ya feeling quilty for being exposed on the last one.

You, sir, are a treasonist!!!!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:07 PM
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38. Yes Because the Supreme Court isn't suppose to Its the Voters
and if this goes to the Supreme Court again the World is going to look at Bush as a dictator with a Puppet court system!!!
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:09 PM
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39. What happened? Did he read the Constitution?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:18 PM
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40. The utter lack of any depth AT ALL to his statements is
disconcerting and horrifying. He is sooooo clearly incompetent to be a judge at ANY level that it boggles the mind. In answer to his "what was I supposed to do when they brought the suit?" bullshit:

YOU DENY THE FUCKING WRITS, DINGBAT, because you have NO FUCKING JURISDICTION OVER THE CASE. It was a STATE matter in Florida involving STATE LAW.

Goddamned that sonofabitch pisses me off more than Scalia even.
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Marthe48 Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:54 PM
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42. too bad the lying SOB didn't keep his hands off the 2000 election
n/t --too po'd to type!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:58 PM
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43. Donald Duck.. Scalia-" Quack"
What is it with the Duck references.??

Not very consoling...."would rather not..."
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 09:03 PM
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44. Then RESIGN, Rastus!!!! nt
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 01:45 AM
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57. I agree with you...should have never been SCJ in the fast place.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 09:04 PM
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45. SEND IT BACK TO THE STATE!! LIKE YOU ALWAYS DID BEFORE..QUACK!!!!
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 09:20 PM
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46. Hmmm. Warning
shot or jackass braying for no reason? You decide.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 09:25 PM
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47. Subverting democracy cuts into his orgy time. nt
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:50 AM
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63. That was Scalia. Was Thomas in on those too? nt
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 09:43 PM
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48. You don't hear the case
Thomas is acting like the Supreme Court was obligated to hear the case. They weren't. They could have easily refused to hear it. The fact that they declared that it couldn't even be used as judicial precedent only confirmed the fact they never should have even heard the case. The decision of the Florida Supreme court should have stood, since the selection of electors is a state issue.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 09:45 PM
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49. I would prefer he not decide it, either (eom)
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awgoodkitty Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:15 PM
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51.  "What do you think? Donald Duck is going to decide it?"
Gee, Clarence, I thought Donald Duck did decide it...with Goofy, Dopey, Elmer Fudd, and Daffy Duck.

Oh, please, spare me.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:46 PM
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52. Fuck You Uncle Thomas No Good Scalawag!
You are going to be in the minority opinion from now on you worthless no talent no good pathetic excuse of a human not fit to judge in the lowest court in this nation! It was an outrage that you were ever given that job! Stupid Mother...
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realcountrymusic Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 11:27 PM
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53. No Fucking Problem, Tom

You won't have to. But it's going to get might lonely after Kerry's had 8 years to replace your buds Billy and Sandy and Tony the Hammer.

Fuck Clarence Thomas. How on earth did a clown become a justice of the supreme damn court? He's not even convincingly evil. He's just a stupid, grotesque man, cynically appointed in a bit of right wing affirmative action. Lani Guinier or Anita Hill should be in that chair.

RCM
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 11:31 PM
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54. Why, yes, I would have preferred Donald Duck, Mr. Thomas, and
so would most Democrats. We probably would have gotten a fair shake from him, at least.

Plus, I would like you to know that I still believe Anita Hill.
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maddogesq Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 11:33 PM
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55. Long Dong Silver needs an enema...again.
I mean really, Slappy is trying to cover his arse here.

This is bar none the most pathetic of the right side of the court. Have you ever listened to tapes of proceedings? i rarely hear a peep out of this twit.

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 02:53 AM
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58. Feeling's mutual, you felonious fuck.
Shoulda recused yourself, you FUCKING TRAITOR.

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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 03:37 AM
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60. Donald Duck would have done a better job.
Hell, Goofy would have as well. :crazy:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:52 AM
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62. Thomas is in over his head. He has no heart and only pretends
and does what he is told by the GOP
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:51 AM
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64. Donald Duck would have done a better job. I respect Donald Duck!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:00 AM
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65. why does KU keep bringing this clown back??
this is at least the third time he's been invited to the school over the last few years (i was working for the school paper (kansan) during one visit, and he wouldn't even allow any press questions afterward)
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 12:12 PM
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67. "What are you supposed to do when somebody brings a lawsuit?"
First determine if that person has Legal Standing. There is no way in hell that Bush* had Standing. How could he have been irrepairably harmed any more than Gore? The votes were still being counted and had not been certified. Bush* had not lost anything. the only person/s which realistically could have Legal Standing were the voters themselves as they were the ones not having their votes counted. Bush* had no standing to ask for a stay or bring about a suit. One has to be harmed to be granted a stay and how could Bush* claim to be harmed when the votes were not yet certified?
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 12:28 PM
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68. "What are you supposed to do when somebody brings a lawsuit?"
You do what you do with the other 90% of the cases which get brought before the US Supreme Court: you deny cert. Unless, of course, that is, you happen to have a personal vested interest in destroying the US political system.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 12:28 PM
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69. ... but Scalia has already drafted his opinion!
he's just waiting the mere technicality of the case.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 12:29 PM
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70. Actually...it's not 'his job'...
...because there is nothing in the Constitution about the SC getting involved in or deciding elections. And...they had no authority to override the decision of the Florida SC. It was plain and illegal partisan politics.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 12:49 PM
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71. Well that's bloody big of him- at least he admits it.
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takumi Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 12:51 PM
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72. Takumi says that America would be better off if . . .
Clarence Thomas weren't on the Supreme Court!
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Sinnerman Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 12:55 PM
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73. Of Coarse not but will he recuse himself.... Not
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