Osama's top aide reveals leader's ties to S Arabia, Pakistan

[Nottingham]

Osama's top aide reveals leader's ties to S Arabia, Pakistan: report



A top aide to Osama bin Laden told CIA agents in a drug-induced confession about secret connections between the al-Qaeda leader and top officials in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, according to excerpts of a new book in Time magazine on Sunday.

Abu Zubaydah, captured last year in Pakistan, told US interrogators that longtime Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki al-Faisal bin Abdul Aziz had secretly agreed to pay Osama as long as al-Qaeda refrained from promoting its political aims in the kingdom, according to the book.




He also said that high-ranking Pakistani air force officer Mushaf Ali Mir had agreed to provide al-Qaeda with protection, arms and supplies, Gerald Posner wrote in his new book "Why America Slept."

The book gives a detailed account of how US agents used drugs and threats to scare Zubaydah into confession, citing a "very senior executive branch" official and another source from the Central Intelligence Agency.
Both Mr Mir and Saudi Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, a nephew of King Fahd, knew that al-Qaeda planned an attack on the United States on September 11, 2001, Mr Posner writes.

more....

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=dc6e1b4ba659166e

Oh the Saudis and Pakistan are our friends! And didn't President Bush have lunch at Kenneport with the Sheik!!:puke:

[caledesi]

1. Gee, you mean he didn't mention Saddam Hussein?

Big surprise here.

All those stupid, stupid freepers on freeperville keep saying don't forget 9/11 when discussing how right we were to attack Iraq. What a bunch of f*cking idiots.

I was trolling the other day and someone mentioned Saudi Arabia and how 15 of the hijackers were from SA. They jumped all over his case. Don't confuse these people with the facts; they can't handle it.

[laconicsax]

4. well..,.Iraq is between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan

maybe they'll try to convince themselves that Iraq must have been complacent, if not a willing go-between.

[agincourt]

2. "neither had enough details to warn washington"

That's the biggest howler of them all. As if THEY would want to know. For me that was always the smoking gun of LIHOP or MIHOP, the saudi-pak support of 9-11 and the BFEE preponderance with throwing it on iraq. Oh well, I'm sure the next ditto-pig book about it being Klintoons fault will sell well in bulk quanities. After the Kennedy assasination we couldn't get to the evidence because the mafia took out Oswald, now with this state condoned mass murder the evidence is out in the open but no one can or will do anything.

[Nottingham]

3. And ya know what Sucks! Osama got his wish! Troops gone!

from Saudia Arabia! Did the Sheiks really believe everything would be Ok if we left! We have some rich & powerful men who are just Idiots and are going down as we speak!

[Zhade]

5. Even worse...

BushCo is capitulating to Osama bin Laden by withdrawing troops from Saudia Arabia.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the same as giving aid and comfort to an enemy, i.e. treason?

And remember: when you give in to terrorists (assuming OBL isn't still on the CIA payroll), they won't stop demanding concessions. You give an inch, they take a mile...of dead civilians. I mean, if they see it worked once, what's to stop them from trying again?

[NNN0LHI]

9. Two wishes were granted. Osama has wanted Saddam out of the way too

He hated the idea of a secular leader like Hussein running Iraq. Seems like Bush is acquiescing to all of bin Ladens demands?

Don

[Nottingham]

15. You guys got it right! Osama wanted Saddam gone!

I can't stand the Saudis right now! That is not a democracy its a monarchy and they have way to much influence with the Bushes!

I can't believe the FBI & CIA let those Saudis go who were suspected
of the bombing and still have not asked for those men to be arrested and questioned! :bounce:

[Zhade]

6. This fits in with Palast's remarks.

OBL was involved with the Saudis in a shakedown - "you pay, we don't fuck with you":

And there was a lot to investigate -- or in the case of the CIA and FBI under Bush -- a lot to ignore. Through well-known international arms dealers (I'm sorry, but in this business, sinners are better sources than saints) our team was tipped off to a meeting of Saudi billionaires at the Hotel Royale Monceau in Paris in May 1996 with the financial representative of Osama bin Laden's network. The Saudis, including a key Saudi prince joined by Muslim and non-Muslim gun traffickers, met to determine who would pay how much to Osama. This was not so much an act of support but of protection -- a payoff to keep the mad bomber away from Saudi Arabia.

(from http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7310)

[xchrom]

7. isn't it amazing how many people

knew 9-11 was going to happen? and personalities the bush team knows well, not to mention how many in the cia, etc.
and yet we are left, mouths gaping, at the news media who report nothing on the mountain of evidence sitting in front of them.
makes ya wonder about reality, doesn't it?

[RainDog]

8. So who leaked to Posner, I wonder?

according to Posner, his information came from someone in the executive branch and a CIA officer.

Obviously it's not Busy, Karl Rove, or anyone associated with the Poppy and James Baker crowd, since their hands are so deeply up the behinds of Saudis and that money spigot that they cannot admit they have been actively supporting terrorism via their biz deals, while knowing of these bribes by the House of Saud.

Which leaves factions connected with Wolfowitz and Perle who, no doubt, have an interest in America hating the Saudis in order to garner support for Israel, while ignoring the horrific legacy of Sharon.

So what does America do? I'm sure fat cats don't want to shine the spotlight on the Saudis because they could withdraw money from America and create a greater financial crisis than we now face. Bush would have to actually ask something of the fat cats who make money off war while others pay with the jobs or their children.

Yet, if America does not confront the Saudis, the war on terrorism is a farce.

I actually don't think it's a bad idea for America to withdraw troops from Saudi Arabia, but I think it's shitty that Bush had to invade Iraq to justify it with his chickenhawk supporters.

We have too many troops in too many places.

We once believed in self-determination for ourselves and other nations. Iran went fundie, but they have not been a direct threat to the U.S. since we withdrew from that country.

I may not like their govt, but I don't think my son should die to keep them from solving their own problems.

[Kbowe]

12. Would like to see a "drug induced confession from Wolfie and Perlie

and Sharon and the head of Mossad. Could it be that Osama is smarter than all of them? He gets Israel to lead the US into a hatefess backlash against S. Arabia thereby removing US troops from Saudi soil, while also leading them into an invasion of Iraq to topple Saddam...whom Osama also hated and wanter to overthrow. No matter how you look at it the US is screwed by both our enemies and our allies.

[Kbowe]

10. "Drug induced confession?"

Know how this works...you can get a person to say anything you have probrammed them to say. I would like to see the same drugs used on the head of current and former heads of Mossad and the Areiel Sharon.

[teryang]

11. Posner is a government source

...in my opinion. He has no credibility at all. In the past I've always associated him with the far right/CIA. He has so little credibility I won't even read the article.

[Kbowe]

13. I've had sodium penathol...it was great! Even I would have confessed

to anything the dentist asked me. The drug just make you want to comply with anything...that's why so many women can fall prey to rape in the dentist of doctor's chair. I wouldn't believe any confession under the influence of such drugs.

[StandWatie]

14. they are our friends..

What you have to understand is that from the globalist sort of neo-con logic (of which the Bush administration is steeped) terrorism as such wasn't a concern compared with ensuring that the Iranians and Russians didn't control South Asia and as long as Hussamah and friends were aiding in that project (they were very good clients beating back the Iranian backed NA and keeping the Russians tied up in Chechnya) their occasional foray into murdering Americans was of little concern and the ISI and Saudi Intelligence were doing our bidding by aiding them.

[VolcanoJen]

16. Kick!!

:dem:

[dansolo]

17. The real Axis of Evil

Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Kuwait

[Keithpotkin]

18. a link about the book

Washington, September 1: Startling revelations about connections linking Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Osama bin Laden has been made by a commander of the Al Qaeda, Abu Zubaydah, claims a new book by Gerald Posner.

The book, Why America slept, reviewed in the current issue of Time, goes on sale on September 2. According to the review, the book is ‘‘a lean, lucid retelling of how CIA, FBI and US leaders missed a decade of clues and opportunities that might have forestalled the 9/11 terrorist attacks’’.

Posner details how US interrogators used drugs — an unnamed ‘‘quick-on, quick-off’’ painkiller and Sodium Pentothal to make Zubaydah talk. When the questioning stalled, CIA men flew Zubaydah to an Afghan complex fitted out as a fake Saudi jail chamber, where ‘‘two Arab-Americans, now with Special Forces,’’ pretending to be Saudi inquisitors, used drugs and threats to scare him into more confessions.
snip

much more...very conspiracy theory...interesting.

ends with : "Zubaydah claimed 9/11 changed nothing about the marriage of Saudi and Pakistani interests, as both Prince Ahmed and Mir knew an attack was scheduled in America on that day, but didn’t know where."

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=30721

[Nottingham]

19. 'The dog is dead' - e-mail sent by Saudi suspects

'The dog is dead' - e-mail sent by Saudi suspects
LONDON - Two Saudis arrested after the Najaf attack in Iraq that killed leading Shi'ite cleric Mohammed Baqer Al-Hakim were picked up after sending an e-mail saying 'mission accomplished: the dog is dead'.


MARCH: SHOW OF
SHI'ITE STRENGTH

BAGHDAD - The march by tens of thousands of mourners grieving and vengeful over the killing of Ayatollah Mohammed Baqer al-Hakim through Baghdad's streets was both a powerful expression of sorrow and a demonstration of the collective strength of the Shi'ites.
In scenes repeated in towns along the funeral route, Shi'ite Muslims beat their chests in rituals of anguish, setting a sombre cadence. In black abayas, women slapped their heads, sprinkled with mud to signify their sorrow.

Immersed in religious imagery - a Shi'ite narrative of martyrdom and suffering - mourners called for unity among their ranks and retribution against their enemies.
'Revenge, revenge, revenge, against the enemies of faith and Islam,' read a black banner hung over a street.
In paying homage to a slain cleric who was a key interlocutor with the US occupying authority here, some Shi'ites called for a more assertive leadership within their community at a time of rising sectarian resentments.



Quoting a source close to the Iraqi inquiry, The Times reported yesterday that the men were grabbed by a crowd in Najaf on Saturday, a day after the bombing, and taken to the nearest police station after being seen sending the e-mail from an Internet cafe.
The two suspects apparently attracted the attention of the son of the cafe owner after having 'offered a larger than usual sum of money to use a computer', the British daily said.
It was then that the son saw the men send a message saying 'mission accomplished: the dog is dead'.
Grabbed by an angry crowd of Shi'ite Muslims, the two men 'admitted they were Saudi Wahhabis working for Al-Qaeda', the source was quoted as saying.

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/world/story/0,4386,207811,00.html?

So here again we have the Saudis Connection! This just gets uglier!

:bounce: