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Tripmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 06:32 AM
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Soldier guilty of Abu Gharib abuse
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1156238,00.html

SOLDIER GUILTY OF ABUSE

US Army reservist Staff Sergeant Ivan 'Chip' Frederick has pleaded guilty to five charges of abusing prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 06:33 AM
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1. Ya mean "TORTURE"?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 06:53 AM
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3. Where are the Generals and the high ranking officers responsible
for giving these orders of TORTURE?


Did any of these law biding citizens know anything?


Torture

Torture

Now this is abuse - and perhaps not torture. Which one is the abuser?

Definitely torture

How will this man be judged for scaring the shit out of this Iraqi?
Is scaring people torture?


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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 06:46 AM
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2. Now when will his higher ups get charged
Maybe I shouldn't hold my breath?

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 07:02 AM
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4. Guilty!

Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act. Rumsfeld also admitted to signing orders for tougher interogation methods which violated the Geneva Conventions.

Rumfailed has commited at least three violations of the Geneva Convention; thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.

Does the US, Govt., Congress, and the Justice Dept no longer abide by the Geneva Convention or the Constitution of the USA?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 07:15 AM
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6. This is the real reason why Bush is opposed
to the Int'l War Crimes Court. He knows that they committed numerous violations the Geneva Convention and Nuremberg Principles.

Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and the rest of the crew will be remembered has the worst traitors and war criminals in history.

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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 07:15 AM
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5. So does this finding pave the way to war crimes trials?
from another thread I understand that a European law firm (Dutch or was just printed in a Dutch paper?) has been hired to present war crimes allegations to the world court.

Does this finding prevent further prosecution of the immediate perps and forestall prosecution of members of their line of command (say oops, it got tried in a jurisdiction without international punishments...)

Or is it useful evidence that will identify people to be deposed by international prosecutors pursuing war crimes of higher officers and perhaps high ranking administration civilians?
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 07:22 AM
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7. terrorist training camp
.. just like gitmo .. go whoosh-co -- or NOT!

This is disgusting to the highest degree!!! WHY hasn't something been done about this?

goddess/great mind help us all
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 07:41 AM
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8. The Buck passes on! The excuse President hold no one accountable.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:08 AM
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9. So if you follow orders, you're guilty; if you don't follow orders,
you're guilty.

I love how they support our troops.

/sarcasm


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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:24 AM
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10. WAR CRIMINALS


I printed and showed it to a couple of repukes. They said this guy deserves it for attacking "THE TWIN TOWERS"

They are Morans---- their chidren should join the services so they can carry on the CHRISTIAN CLEANSING OF RAG-HEADS </RANT>
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:03 PM
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11. UPDATE:
Sergeant in Abu Ghraib Case Pleads Guilty to 8 Counts
By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr.

Published: October 21, 2004


AGHDAD, Iraq, Oct. 20 - The highest-ranking Army reservist charged in the Abu Ghraib scandal pleaded guilty on Wednesday to eight counts of abusing prisoners and described in graphic detail how he had forced prisoners to masturbate, sucker-punched a hooded detainee and strapped wires to a prisoner who feared that he would be electrocuted if he fell from a box.
Staff Sgt. Ivan L. Frederick II, a 38-year-old corrections officer from Virginia, pleaded guilty at a court-martial at Camp Victory, in western Baghdad, to conspiracy, dereliction of duty, maltreatment of detainees, assault and indecent acts. His plea requires him to cooperate in the prosecution of other abuse cases.
At the same time, the United States military disclosed Wednesday night that a male 26-year-old detainee at Camp Bucca, in southern Iraq, died in custody on Tuesday afternoon after medics unsuccessfully tried to revive him. The military offered few details, saying that an autopsy and investigation will be conducted and that the prisoner "was not being treated for any medical conditions at the time of his death."
Sergeant Frederick told the judge, Col. James Pohl, that he was following the lead of military intelligence officers but that he knew what he was doing was wrong. In the wiring episode, for example, he said an Army investigator had wanted a prisoner who reportedly knew the whereabouts of soldiers' remains "stressed out" to talk more, according to a pool report provided by The Associated Press. The investigator said it did not matter how badly the Iraqi was treated "as long as you don't kill him," the sergeant said.

More: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/21/international/middleeast/21abuse.html
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