Japan, China, S Korea to jointly develop Windows replacement

[Khephra]

Japan, China and South Korea plan to develop an original operating system in a bid to challenge the domination of Microsoft Corp's Windows, news reports said on Sunday.

Trade and Industry Minister Takeo Hiranuma is to propose the plan when he meets his Chinese and South Korean counterparts in Phnom Penh on Wednesday on the sidelines of the ASEAN trade ministers' meeting, the Nihon Keizai Shimbun and the Asahi Shimbun said, quoting sources.

The three countries are expected to reach an accord in mid-September, when senior trade ministry officials are to hold another meeting, Asahi said.

The accord would be the first signed by major economies, the two dailies said.

more..........

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_356992,0003.htm

[bvar22]

1. Where can I get a beta?

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[mike_c]

5. you can find links to a beta at...

http://www.linux.org/

[bpilgrim]

2. go OPEN SOURCE! and LINUX

"Under the expected tie-up, the partners are expected to improve open-source operating system, like Linux."

:bounce:

peace

[dArKeR]

13. A CBS report about 6 months ago: China announces Linux for ALL Gov.

departments. I'm sure I read that and posted it on the DU.

You must accept the fact Asia never paid for any PC software in the first place. Even Hong Kong the most law enforced country in the region had well over 60% percent of copy software in the CORPORATIONS. These stats didn't even address personal use.

The only place that has made a good effort to stop the copy software is Taiwan. (Started about 4 years ago.) (Probably in exchange for those missiles we're going to sell them.

This is the kind of thing which makes me wonder about the US media. You can go to every country in Asia and easily film the stores selling copy software. Everyone knows it's happening from our government to their government.

http://darkerxdarker.tripod.com/

[mike_c]

3. using Linux as the basic platform,...

...further validating the open source model. Losing the growing Asian market would be a severe blow to Microsoft. Maybe they'll get the clue....

[9215]

11. I bought Linux when it was down around a dollar

a share. Do you think these countries aim to use Linux or develop their own?

This quote is vague:

Under the expected tie-up, the partners are expected to improve open-source operating system, like Linux.



I've been interested in open source for a few years now. The business model is very sensible, but appears contrarian to your average capitalist.

The rise in stock price is exciting to say the least. Let's see what happens this week to the price.

[twilight]

4. BYE BYE BILL GATES!

You KNOW they will develop something far better than Winblowwwwwwwssssssssssssss .......

:kick:

P.S. If you have any $ invested in Microsoft - sell sell sell sell sell and don't say you weren't warned!

[AP]

6. IF US Courts took anti-monopoly more seriously, they wouldn't have to.

American law protects American corps from having to compete within its borders, but they aren't helping these corporations or American consumers by discouraging them from competing with overseas corporations.

[phgnome]

7. Not the fault of overseas corps.

It's not the fault of the US government this time that American corporations may very well lose dominance in the PC industry.

Microshit, for example, had ample opportunity during a decade-long tech boom to improve their products. They didn't seize this opportunity because they were greedy and, to some effect, lazy. They produce crap and are content at producing crap in the name of locking the market share.

Companies that behave like Microshit have had access to vast amounts of capital. But, instead of using that capital to become better through R+D, they skimped on R+D and produced a consecutive series of crap software and operating systems. They were too busy using their resources to sink smaller companies and stop their R+D efforts. They've bought up countless companies for the sake of sinking them. In the short term, that's a good business model because it maximizes profits but it really sucks for long-term because the company failed to strengthen its brand name by improving the quality of their products.

If you look at companies that may survive this period of economic drought, look at Chrysler's business model. It's more long-term oriented. They produced acceptable, cheap K-cars for years but they kept investing in R+D. The key to it is that their products stayed in the lower price points until they were able to produce better quality cars. They raised their prices when their cars were able to justify a price increase in the market (because they were better).

MS on the other hand, produced crap. Their "solutions" are far from cheap, unscalable, and have a very short life. If you buy their products, they become obsolete every few years and previous versions are not compatible with older versions. It results in a lot of tech support costs, only to become obselete in a very short period of time. The MS business model would be good if it produced tampons but it sucks for something that the consumer would have to implement into their business process. It does not continue to build on previous models. MS makes it difficult for other software and hardware manufacturers to deal with them through their licencing policies.

Hey, it's the economic law of the jungle. Sooner or later, the business communities and consumers from around the world will become fed up with their domineering, nannying attitude. By this, I'm referring to their investment of capital to track down pirated software and media. Why are they investing valuable capital at policing for the recording industry? None of their business and they shouldn't be wasting valuable opportunity cost and the cost of capital to pursue something that's none of their business in the first place.

I've never invested a dime in MS. I've told my financial planner in the past to ensure that my money isn't invested in MS through some hidden fund. It's a very poor business model and is bound to sink sooner or later.

[rook1]

8. Nobody here

....uses any Microsoft products? You all use Linux? Microsoft has created thousands of jobs worldwide. What's the beef? If other countries want to develope their own OS, then go for it. Competition is a good thing.

[phgnome]

9. Basic Premise of Economics

Companies shouldn't exist merely to create jobs and produce nothing of value. If we are going to acknowledge the value of money (i.e. that this piece of paper has value and represents gold that's exchanged for something of value), we must accept this rule of competition. We cannot put capitalism on a pedastal and then cry and whine when someone becomes better than us in a certain sector under those same natural economic laws or if someone sees a way to improve on the product.

To have an economy that exists for the sake of existing is redundant. To have companies carry on into the next generation even though they produce something that's of poor quality is wasteful and will hinder human progress. Companies cannot exist for the sake of providing jobs if what they produce becomes of less value. It's the law of competition and the whole point in capitalism. Otherwise, what's the point in having companies under a capitalist system? It's the whole point of capitalism.

Forward we march toward efficiency. The world tomorrow cannot be the same as it is today. If those jobs become eliminated, society must find other niches to create better products to meet those needs.

I'm not saying that capitalism is the best system in all instances but as long as we're living under it, we should respect its rules. One country cannot maintain global dominance forever. To have it that way would hinder the rate at which humanity progresses.

[gulliver]

10. Actually, the crying and whining ...

... itself is part of the natural law. It is a force on the solution just like any other.

[Fovea]

15. "Forward we march toward efficiency"

Usually it does not work that way.
Companies do just that. How much High definition TV have you watched online lately?

How many infected emails have you gotten this month?

Are you getting your money's worth out of Bluetooth?

And the bottom line argument. A population of free citizens will never be as efficient producers as the subjects of a totalitarian dictatorship.



Global Corporatism, sometimes called Capitalism nowadays is not a march toward efficiency, it is a race to the bottom for workers all over the world. It is the apotheosis of Upper Management.

[aquart]

16. What a pile of steaming hot meadow muffins.

Exist just to create jobs? Why don't we look at this a teensy bit differently.

How about, the point of a nation is to provide for the safety and well-being of its citizens. Any entity operating within the borders of that nation must not ever challenge or abrogate that obligation.

Now capitalism is framed as valuing only money. Labor is treated as something useful but vaguely unsavory, possibly nasty.

Monsanto produced many valued products and toxic waste which it dumped upon an unsuspecting population. Monsanto, however, knew. They made a tidy profit by not bothering to clean up their mess. And the 700 million their required to pay out now is hardly enough for the wrecked lives they've caused. And that wasn't even anything done to employees. Simply the ruination of citizens of this nation.

Your silly model of "turning out nothing of value", well, I have seen things in the arms of returning Tiajuana tourists standing in line at customs that would surely qualify. Yet people bought them and carried them home to America. Value is determined not by your taste but by what people will pay.

If people will not pay, the employees cannot be paid, and the business will close. Are you trying to say that a non-capitalist society keeps people working making products that cannot be sold? With, I suppose, government funding? Well, that would wreck a government indeed. And an economy.

Wait. Are you, perhaps, referring to the Star Wars weaponry that Reagan and Bush champion, that reliable people have said won't work and will cost billions? Are you talking about our pork barrel defense industry?

God knows, we could use some reform there. You have my blessing. Take it on.

[xJlM]

14. I don't use Microsoft

At all. You know what, I didn't worry about any Blaster worm or Sobig worm either.

[goforit]

12. Microsoft's horror....Competition. LOL!!!..He tried to stop it here, but

now many have surpassed him.
Who can he thank now?????

His saviors ofcourse......The Bush/Cheney Administration!!!!

Hmmmmmm......Karma knocks at Bill Gates door!!!

LOL!!!!

[Nottingham]

17. Good for them!

They realize that MicroSoft is dangerous!

[Philosophy]

18. Red Flag Linux

Remember this one?

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5784

[lazarus]

19. Remember this

At Microsoft, failure is not an option. It comes standard.