ABC News - Rove Testifies Before Grand Jury in CIA Leak Investigation

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WASHINGTON, Oct. 15, 2003 — With election day getting closer the President's top advisor, Karl Rove, took time away from his duties to testify before a federal grand jury this morning. Rove appeared before the federal grand jury investigating the leak of a CIA officer's name and testified for almost 2 and a half hours.

Rove declined to answer reporters' questions as he departed the federal courthouse and set off in a-non descript bronze colored midsize car. Rove was escorted out of the courthouse by two US Marshals and an unidentified man. Rove sat in the back seat of the car and immediately began making using his cell phone.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=168868&page=1

[Jacobin]

1. That's funny. I don't recall lightning striking the DC courthouse.....

[AP]

2. That has got to be distracting for Rove.

[The Magistrate]

3. The Chance That He Did Not Perjure Himself, Sir

Is roughly that of a skating rink in Hell....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[geek tragedy]

9. Let us hope that they have set a trap for the scoundrel.

The fact that they have waited this long indicates that this is the man they were after.

Rule #1 of examining a witness: Never ask a question to which you don't know the answer.

I suspect they had to know the answers to their questions before they asked him.

[The Magistrate]

49. That Is What The Reporters Are For, Sir....

"If you repeat a lie often enough, you are a Republican."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[psychopomp]

69. Great quote LOL

(On lying)

[Eloriel]

51. My prayer exactly: a perjury trap if nothing else

"Time wounds all heels," I always say (little play on words there). Let us hope Rove's "time" is now.

[txindy]

85. So.....

They not only get Rove for divulging the name of a CIA undercover operative, but also for perjuring himself before a grand jury? Well. Very, very nicely done, if so. My faith in the justice system may be on its way to being restored. Every time I see Robert Novak on the "Tee Vee screen" that faith has always taken a strong hit. And I'm not even going to get into the other documented lies of this administration, let alone the lack of consequences for those lies. **sigh**

[grasswire]

4. frog march?

How long till the perp walk?

[nookiemonster]

5. "Show Me" that Perp Walk!! Yeah! eom

[pa28]

6. AP - Rove testifies in leak probe.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6256355/

I wonder if he was able to keep his lies straight.

[Occulus]

11. heheh heh

"404 - File Not Found"

Oh, lookie! How well-scrubbed the Web is becoming!

Sheesh.

[truthisfreedom]

13. the article is there now... i'm reading it.

and loving it.

[Occulus]

81. I can't get this to load at all for some reason, both in Win and Lin

I think I'm somehow blocked from seeing it or something. Does anyone have another source?

[Eloriel]

52. Sure -- after all, he's had decades of practice n/t

[H2O Man]

7. mercy mercy me

this just ain't the way dick cheney wants things to be!

[seemslikeadream]

8. Lockhart Statement on Rove Testifying in CIA Leak Case

WASHINGTON, Oct. 15 /U.S. Newswire/ -- In response to reports that Karl Rove testified before the grand jury investigating the CIA leak case, Kerry-Edwards campaign Senior Adviser Joe Lockhart issued the following statement:

"With two weeks to go before the election, the American people are still in the dark about how it is that their White House leaked the name of an undercover CIA operative to the press, jeopardizing the life of this agent and possibly violating federal law.

"Instead of hiding behind the lawyers he so often likes to criticize, George Bush should direct Karl Rove and anyone else involved to go to the White House briefing room and come clean about their role in this insidious act. If the president sincerely wanted to get to the bottom of this potential crime, he'd stop the White House foot dragging and fully cooperate with this investigation."

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Paid for by Kerry-Edwards 2004, Inc.
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=38240

[txindy]

10. Whoa! Bold words, Joe!

More, more! I like this Kerry team, I truly do. They tell it like it is, not just how they'd like it to be. We get a two-fer! Now, who says you can't have it both ways? :toast:

[seemslikeadream]

14. Terry McAuliffe demands Rove release his testimony

on CNN just now talking with Judy.

[Catfight]

27. Yes, this administration is NOT transparent, it's all behind CLOSED

doors! Open the doors to my country again, I'm tired of these liars and crooks taking over! You can run but you can't hide!

[H2O Man]

24. Attention! (please read)

I have been in contact with some people connected to the Kerry-Edwards campaign, and a couple other associates, regarding Rove testifying in front of the Plame grand jury. As you can guess, this is very significant. Rove, like his buddies Bush, Cheney, and Powell, had spoken with investigators previously, but did not want to be put under oath.

Today he was under oath for a good reason. And it ain't because Fitzgerald wanted to thank him for his service to the country.

We have had a media frenzy on Cheney's daughter in the last two days. While gay rights are extremely important, Cheney's daughter is not. These people are trying to distort the issues that are crucial in this election. Things like Bush lying about saying he's not concerned about Usama bin Laden.

In the past, I have asked DUers to help in the effort to get the media to cover the Plame case. LTTE are always important. And we are getting towards the end of the debate season. We only have a short time.

Can we get people on DU to assist in writing letters to local newspapers, etc? LTTE are one of the most read parts of a newspaper during presidential election seasons. We can show that this administration is a group of criminals!

Are people ready and willing?

[txindy]

25. Absolutely. What is the focus of the LTTEs to be, exactly?

Rove's testimony? The Plame case?

I'll do everythng I can. Absolutely.

[Gabi Hayes]

26. NOTHING will come of this unless, like Walsh, there is at least one

indictment

book it

unless that happens, you can expect a Cheney's daughter moment every day or so til the election

this junta IS government by publicity stunt

[txindy]

28. Well, as I always tell my son when he's playing baseball

"You will miss 100% of the balls you never swing at. Go for it." We have to try. This way, if it doesn't happen, it won't be because WE didn't try! I say we go for it. It certainly can't hurt and could help immeasurably.

[H2O Man]

32. There's a post on another forum on DU

which says "what hurt America more: Kerry outing Cheney's daughter, or the White House outing Valerie Plame?" That's a good short message. I will be posting more tonight, likely on GD, as I get some more information.

[calimary]

57. KICK, H2O Man!

You should do a separate thread on this.

We need to generate MUCHO BIGTIME UBER-NOISE about this.

We need to make THIS - OUR October Surprise.

Maybe kkkarl rove will be his own October Surprise.

Time to start hounding the networks...

My favorites:

CNN - (404) 827 - 0234 - when you connect, press 8 to bypass the long intro message.

MSNBC - (201) 583 - 5000

Washington Post - (202) 334 - 7582

There's more in Skinner's list AND in the Five-Star collection in Activism/Events.

[H2O Man]

58. I just posted a more detailed article on GD

that I am hoping some people here will take the time to read and comment on. It's called: "Steel & Glass:The October Plame Surprise."

This has the potential to bury the Bush administration. Do not be discouraged that there are not indictments and convictions yet. The public will react harshly to the fact that this is dragging on so long, when Karl Rove could have cleared it up immediately had he told the truth a year ago.

[calimary]

59. KICK!

[calimary]

60. KICK AGAIN!

[calimary]

61. AND AGAIN!!

[calimary]

63. And AGAIN and AGAIN!

[calimary]

64. And Kick some MORE! - I want people to spot this, H2O Man.

Kick! Your recommendation is TOO important to miss.

[H2O Man]

71. Thank you!

I encourage you to read and contribute to "Steel & Glass: the October Plame Surprise" on GD. I have begun to go into more detail on the case and Rove, and I would greatly appreciate all help.

[calimary]

65. KICK once more for good measure!

Don't overlook this, or forget about it! First Thing Monday Morning when those switchboard lines open back up...

[calimary]

67. And yet again, once more - Check Out Post 24!

Kickez-vous!

[psychopomp]

70. Great statement!

I'd like to see that in any future article about Rove's testimony.

[wildflower]

75. That is such a beautiful picture, psychopomp...

Where is it from?

-wildflower

[psychopomp]

84. I grabbed it from another DU'er

I think it hits many people the same way. Pass it on, if you like.

[LeftHander]

12. October SUrprise...

Indictments...

I'll bet they gave KKKarl one last chance to testify and tell the truth...if he sticks to his story.....then he is sunk. They have the goods on him no doubt. And probably Cheney too...

I hope they got this sucker on obstruction charges....trying to cover up Cheney's mess...

YES!!

[Catfight]

29. LIbby libby libby under the table table table....Libby and Rove go

down down down...

[goforit]

45. Haven't heard that song in years.............How appropriate!!!

[joeunderdog]

40. Are you thinking the CIA gets revenge here?

I sure hope so. So far they've been turtling to Shrubco and it's damn disturbing.

[nixonwasbetterthanW]

15. Rove on the horn, pronto!

from ABC story --

Rove declined to answer reporters' questions as he departed the federal courthouse and set off in a-non descript bronze colored midsize car. Rove was escorted out of the courthouse by two US Marshals and an unidentified man. Rove sat in the back seat of the car and immediately began making using his cell phone.


ROVE: "I don't care if he's in f---in' Air Force One, get 'im on the line."

...

ROVER: "Mr. President, I think we need to talk to Ashcroft right away. Does he have the playbook they used against Archibald Cox? He needs to dust it off."

[Rose Siding]

16. Was he frog marched into the courthouse?

Very good news! I can't help but think the reporter had this in mind when writing:

Rove was escorted out of the courthouse by two US Marshals and an unidentified man.

[catmandu57]

17. 2 1/2 hours

I hope kkkarl has hemmorhoids.

[LizW]

35. They've got him, folks

on perjury, at the very least. They've talked to EVERYONE else first. He testified for 2 1/2 hours. That's a lot of questions. Unless he invoked the Fifth on every single one, they've got him.

[Thor_MN]

54. He will, once he starts serving his sentence...

[Generator]

18. Should we be hopeful it took this long? 2.5 hours?

Does it take that long to say, "I know nothing." Or does it take that long to say "I know nothing." in a very slimey, round about way?

Or did he crack and spill some beans because as everyone knows, the slimey, bully frat boys, ALWAYS turn and cover their ass first.

[yellowcanine]

21. It could take that long to say "I don't remember" to the same question

asked twenty different ways sprinkled amongst innocuous questions to try and catch him off guard. Plus, individual grand jurors can ask questions of him and it can take a while to go all the way around and let everyone ask their questions. Whether or not they got anything useful out of Csrl, it warms my heart to imagine him being questioned by a bunch of ordinary citizens who I am sure Carl considers much beneath him in social stature.

[mandyky]

19. Terry MacAulliffe mentioned this on CNN's Inside Politics

Judy Woof Woof just pretended he didn't say it!!

[nixonwasbetterthanW]

20. Bush: cornered

Two weeks before the showdown, Bush can't give up on the only guy he's ever really been able to trust with the keys to victory. Now, he's thinking, how do I keep Rove in the fold while putting him out to pasture? -- and the prez, as he admits, "doesn't do nuance."

[donkeyotay]

22. The way it was described, I thought Rove had been taken into custody

"...set off in a-non descript bronze colored midsize car. Rove was escorted out of the courthouse by two US Marshals and an unidentified man. Rove sat in the back seat of the car..."

[TrogL]

30. "escorted"

...is a wierd word to use in this context. It's implying they're controlling the situation. "accompanied" puts it in a different context.

:wtf: is going on?

[TheCentepedeShoes]

31. Good point

And Rove was probably on the phone to the Chimp with "Hurry! Quick! Invade something !!"

[lovuian]

37. ESCORTED BY TWO US MARSHALLS

not secret service men people!!! Bingo!!!

[coreystone]

23. I am assuming he was under oath.... n/t

[sadiesworld]

33. Hmmmmm.

-Rove testifies
-Halliburton agrees to inquiry
-Snow provides docs to justice dept

Just another Friday afternoon in bushworld, or laying the groundwork for pardons? :shrug:

[AirAmFan]

38. Does a trial have to be over and a sentence handed down already before

a lame-duck President can pardon a criminal?

If so, Libby and Rove are in deep trouble. There may not be TIME for Plan B.

They'd be ready for ANY electoral skulduggery to avoid hard time for outing a US spy.

[txindy]

42. I don't think so, unfortunately.

I'm just going by Nixon as the classic example. Ford pardoned him without Nixon being convicted of anything. I don't even remember him being charged with anything. Sort of a blanket absolution, I guess. Disgusting.

[lovuian]

34. Here we are right before the election learning if we might have

traitors at the top of the White House branch and with already identified DoubleAgent Chalibi who shook many times Rove's hands

All I can say is its freakin about time ...

[kohodog]

44. Two and a half hours is a long time

for such an important person at such a critical time!

How sweet it would be if the october surprise had him running shrub's campaign from a pay phone in the pokey!!

[demgrrrll]

47. I testified in court for over 10 years and yes 2 and 1/2 hours is

a very very long time. Thirty minutes can seem like a lifetime with the right lawyer. I remember one of the people I went up against on a frequent basis was prone to reading his notes while you were testifying and then looking up at you with a glint in his eye. I always knew I was in for a real tough time with that guy, he was absolutely brilliant. From what I have read Fitzgerald is the best. I just don't know where this is going. I have the feeling they keep putting patches on the bad tire which is Bush and his campaign and hope they can roll it to the finish line. I think we are going to win. I cannot allow myself to believe anything else right now, not even for a second.

[TacticalPeek]

48. Two and a half hours (smacks lips).

Bwaahahahahahahahah! :evilgrin:

Two and a half hours, I just love to think about that.

Minimally, it was two hours in which he was not polluting the political ecology. And just maybe he was discomfited in contemplation of his future.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

36. Too bad the little worm wasn't in chains.

[seemslikeadream]

39. US ELECTION: McAuliffe Statement on Rove Grand Jury Testimony

DNC Chairman Calls on Bush to Ask for Full and Public Disclosure

WASHINGTON, DC – Responding to breaking news today that Bush Senior Advisor Karl Rove spent over two hours testifying before the grand jury investigating the CIA leak which revealed Valerie Plame's name while she was an undercover agent, Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairman Terry McAuliffe released this statement.

"Two and a half hours is a long time to spend in front of a federal grand jury – a lot of information must have been shared," said McAuliffe. "Karl Rove needs to come clean and tell us what he told the grand jury today, and the President should show some leadership by making sure Karl Rove does just that. There are important questions about this criminal investigation that the White House needs to stop ducking and start answering.

"Tell us who is responsible for leaking Valerie Plame's identity. This is a serious matter; the person from the Bush White House who leaked this information is guilty of treason. This should have been resolved a long time ago. It needs to be resolved now. The American people deserve no less from their President."
http://www.noticias.info/Asp/aspComunicados.asp?nid=36375&src=0

[txindy]

41. FINALLY! Someone used the 'T' word: TREASON!

Terry rocks today! First he tweaks Judy Woodruff and now this! :toast:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

76. YES!!! That's exactly what it is! Go, Terry!!

[IndianaGreen]

79. Grand jury testimony is secret, and McCauliffe knows that

For all we know Rove could have just said that he didn't recall a thing, like Reagan did during his Iran Contra testimony.

I find it interesting that the same cast of characters that sold us the Iraq WMDs story, like the NY Times's Judith Miller, were held in contempt for refusing to testify.

[sofa king]

43. Runaway jury! Runaway jury!

http://www.udayton.edu/~grandjur/faq/faq8.htm

The only way we're going to bag these sonsabitches is if someone on the Grand Jury knows that they can take the horns of the investigation away from Ashcroft's bitch-zombies. 'Cause you can bet your ass that the prosecutor isn't going to tell them that.

Here's hoping.

[sonias]

46. I want to see the frog march!

Just like Ambassador Wilson suggested

http://www.buzzflash.com/bradenton/04/05/bra04050.html

Sonia

[Logansquare]

50. Please, please nail him for perjury n/t

[bobthedrummer]

53. drip, drip, drip...

[young_at_heart]

55. Now we will see just how much power he has

The Rove revenge and power stories are becoming legendary. Will he "outfox" them, as usual, or can we finally have a shred of decency appear in our country?

[TankLV]

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[are_we_united_yet]

68. I think you said that

for political reasons.

:)

[seemslikeadream]

62. Rove Testifies in Wilson Leak

Under the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act, it is a crime for someone with authorized access to classified information to knowingly disclose the identity of a covert agent. Shortly after the investigation started, Bush ordered everyone in the administration to provide "full cooperation" with the investigation, and Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie said the disclosure of Plame's name could be worse than Watergate "in terms of the real-world implications of it." But nobody has come forward to admit to being a source for Novak's column. Besides Rove, a number of other White House aides, including counsel Alberto Gonzales, have gone before the grand jury.

Rove's grand jury appearance comes as Fitzgerald is aggressively pursuing the testimony of two other journalists ensnared in the case, Time's Matthew Cooper and Judith Miller of the New York Times. Three days after Novak’s column appeared, Cooper and two colleagues wrote an article for Time Magazine’s Website saying that “government officials” had told them that Wilson’s wife was a CIA official. Miller was subpoenaed to testify about sources she spoke to while reporting on Wilson, though she never published anything on the subject.

U.S. District Judge Thomas Hogan found Cooper in contempt of court on Wednesday, for the second time, for refusing to testify. (Cooper’s first contempt citation was rescinded when he gave limited information to prosecutors after a source, Lewis I. “Scooter” Libby, chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, authorized him and several other journalists to discuss their confidential conversations.) Miller was found in contempt last week. She and Cooper, citing the need for journalists to be able to protect their sources, are appealing the rulings jointly, but no decision is expected from the appeals court until mid-to-late November. They could each face up to 18 months in jail if they lose their appeal.

Novak’s status continues to be a mystery; neither he nor his lawyer, Jim Hamilton, will talk about their contacts with prosecutors. Lawyers for other witnesses in the case have concluded that Novak is cooperating, since he has not been held in contempt. But even if Novak is cooperating and has revealed his sources, these lawyers say, Fitzgerald would want to talk to other journalists to strengthen any case he might bring. And the prosecutor may be seeking to substantiate a Sept. 2003 Washington Post story, which quoted an administration source saying that two top White House officials disclosed Plame's identity to at least six Washington journalists in retribution for Wilson's comments. The leak was "meant purely and simply for revenge," the official said. Fitzgerald might want to learn if those two officials were the same ones who talked to Novak. Each instance of disclosure of Plame's identity would be a separate crime

more
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,724804,00.html

[Media_Lies_Daily]

77. That's a very good review of the facts.

[AP]

66. If Rove were a democrat his testimony would have leaked by now...

...even though that would be highly illegal.

[H2O Man]

72. Yes, you are right!

It would be front-page news.

[Gingersnapsback]

73. Was he under oath, or did he negotiate using his power over B/C

[wildflower]

74. OMG...

I'm away from the computer a couple of days and I can't believe all the headlines I'm seeing as I log on again! I was expecting mostly more Mary Cheney.

Military refusing orders...Oregon police firing on protestors...the Nightline report...Amphibians dying at an alarming rate...and now this.

Thanks for posting this!

(and KICK)

-wildflower

[0007]

78. Rove did pig talk, oink oink oink

[dansolo]

80. "Took time away from his duties"

Isn't he compelled to testify in front of the grand jury? I didn't think he had any choice in the matter.

[lovuian]

82. What is really bad is People are protecting Traitors!!!

The Media like Judith Miller and Cooper are not doing a service to Journalism and doing a disservice to America. And Wilson's wife going to have a wonderful time suing them for damages!!!

I'm so fascinated at how the News Media have shown how they are tools of revenge and take innocent hardworking Americans and smear and endanger their lives and others for WHAT!!!

For Karl Rove to give them a pat on the back???
Why did they do this??? Why were they tools of the White House???
Was it for Money??? Rove doesn't pay their paychecks does he???
Was it for Murdoch ??? Why in the world would these reporters allow themselves to used as tools of the Bush Propoganda Machine

and thats what we are seeing people is a destruction of Everybody involving in Bush's spin machine... And Oreilley Judith Millar Novak and Limbaugh are all going down

I have to commend whoever is taking them down they are doing a damn good job so far!!!

[Still_Notafraid]

83. They do it

Because there gung-ho conservative bosses tell them to,media are whores because they want de-regulation,and as Democrats we know that this only hurts democracy.

because of that they pretend to be on both sides but they are not they want de-regulation to much its all about the corporate profits.

Its a shame when we live in a country where profits are more important then democracy.

[shance]

86. Keep in mind, profit is NOT the most important to most people.

However, I would agree it has gotten very out of balance and it is moving in that direction right now, especially with the inflation of fear, which does little but exacerbate the situation.

[wrate]

88. I hope you are right! Let Karen Hughes, Ed Gillespie (sp) go down too! NT

[stepnw1f]

87. Hayek Economic Model Returmimg Us To Pre-Depression

That's why. The Neo-Con of dissolving power and influence. That's why.