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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:40 PM
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Nader calls on congressman to resign after fatal wreck
Nader calls on congressman to resign after fatal wreck

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Ralph Nader and other consumer advocates called on South Dakota congressman William Janklow to resign Thursday after Janklow was involved in a fatal wreck near his hometown earlier this month.

"There is no need to wait for prosecutors or civil suits by the next-of-kin to haul you into South Dakota's courts," Nader wrote in a letter to Janklow, a first-term House Republican and former governor. "You should resign your congressional seat immediately in atonement for what was only going to be a matter of time -- the taking of life by a driver relentlessly bent on turning his vehicle into a lawless, dangerous missile."

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http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/08/28/congressman.accident/
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searchingforlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:42 PM
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1. Absolutely right.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:42 PM
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2. For once I agree with Nader
Janklow should reisgn.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:44 PM
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3. Nader is such an opportunist
but I agree with him on this point.
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morningtheft Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:49 PM
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4. I don't understand....
Why so many take every oppurtunity to throw a dig towards nader.
This is politics aside as far as I can tell....After everything Nader has done to further vehicular safety there is no reason to knock him on this...why not say He is right and that is that. Nothing to do with oppurtunity especially when it comes to motorist safety.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:49 PM
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11. Hi morningtheft!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:09 PM
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16. I assume you're talking about the Corvair
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 07:00 PM by 5thGenDemocrat
Ralph Nader was nothing more than a mercenary who was paid $20,000 up front to write a book critical of the American auto industry. In the Corvair, Nader rightly found his target.
The true hero in the Corvair story was Bunkie Knudsen, manager of the Chevrolet Motor Division beginning in 1961.
John DeLorean noted to J. Patrick Wright, in Wright's 1979 book "On a Clear Day, You Can See General Motors":
"These problems (specifically, toe-in of the rear wheels during tight turns inherent in a rear-engined vehicle with a swing axle suspension) with the Corvair were well-documented inside GM's Engineering Staff long before the Corvair ever was offered for sale. Frank Winchell, now vice-president of Engineering, but then an engineer at Chevy, flipped over one of the first prototypes on the GM test track in Milford, Michigan. Others followed."
Wright goes on to mention the heated discussions between GM's engineering and sales divisions as to whether to release the vehicle for general sales. The engineers "...collectively and individually made vigorous attempts inside GM to keep the Corvair, as designed, out of production or to change the suspension system to make the car safer. One top corporate engineer told me that he showed his test results to (Chevy General Manager Ed) Cole but by then, he said, "Cole's mind was made up."
"At the very least, then, within General Motors in the late 1950s," deLorean continued, " serious questions were raised about the Corvair's safety. At the very most, there was a mountain of documented evidence that the car should not be built as it was then designed."
Cole, a production and sales type, told the engineers to "stop these objections. Get on the team, or you can find someplace else to work." And so the Corvair was released to the general public in the fall of 1959.
"The results were disastrous," DeLorean continued. "I don't think any one car before or after produced as gruesome a record on the highway as the Corvair. It was designed and promoted to appeal to the spirit and flair of young people. It was sold in part as a sports car. Young Corvair owners, therefore, were trying to bend their car around curves at high speeds and were killing themselves in alarming numbers."
"The son of Cal Werner, general manager of the Cadillac Division, was killed in a Corvair. Werner was absolutely convinced that the design defect in the car was responsible. He said so many times. The son of Cy Osborne, an executive vice-president in the '60s, was critically injured in a Corvair and suffered irreparable brain damage. Bunkie Knudson's niece was brutally injured in a Corvair. And the son of an Indianapolis Chevrolet dealer was also killed in the car. Ernie Kovacs, (DeLorean's) favorite comedian, was killed in a Corvair."
So, obviously, General Motors was well aware of the problem and of the carnage it was creating. DeLorean goes on:
"When Knudsen took over the reins of Chevrolet in 1961, he insisted that he be given corporate authorization to install a stabilizing bar in the rear to counteract the natural tendencies of the Corvair to flip off the road. The cost of the change would be about $15 a car. But the request was refused by The Fourteenth Floor as "too expensive."
"Bunkie was livid. As (DeLorean understood) it, he went to the Executive Committee and told the top officers of the corporation that, if they didn't reappraise his request and give him permission to make the Corvair safe, he was going to resign from General Motors. This threat and the fear of the bad publicity that surely would follow from Knudsen's resignation forced management's hand. They relented. Bunkie put a stabilizing bar on the Corvair for the 1964 models. The next year a completely new and safer independent suspension designed by Frank Winchell was put on the Corvair. And it became one of the safest cars on the road. But the damage done to the car's reputation by then was irreparable. Corvair sales began to decline precipitously after the waves of unfavorable publicity following Nader's book and the many lawsuits being filed across the country. Production of the Corvair was halted in 1969, four years after it was made a safe and viable car." ("On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors: John Z. DeLorean's Look Inside the Automotive Giant". J. Patrick Wright, Wright Enterprises, Grosse Pointe, Michigan, 1979, pp. 54-56).
In other words, Knudsen himself forced GM to redesign the previously "Unsafe at Any Speed" Corvair at least a year before Saint Ralph's book even came out. General Motors' top hierarchy may have been villains, but Nader was nobody's hero, either -- just a mercenary hired beforehand to do a cheap hatchet job.
Bunkie Knudsen, not Ralph Nader, was the true hero in the Corvair saga.
John
"Done to further vehicle safety"? That would have been Knudsen, but I will admit no one is better at promoting Ralph Nader than Ralph Nader. And I surely don't recall his mentioning that GM had already fixed the problem alluded to in his cheap-ass, prejudiced "book". But he sure has ridden that piece of crap for almost 40 years now.
I wouldn't piss on Saint Ralph if he was on fire.

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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:51 PM
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19. nader did a great service with that book,
... even if GM did manage to belatedly fix the problem --- because he exposed the bastards who allowed the deaths to occur. he showed America how just cheaply their lives are valued by big business. and in his subsequent career, Nader played a leading role exposing other corporate wrongdoing. his influence made America a safer place. imho every consumer owes the man a debt of gratitude.
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:12 PM
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20. GM didn't belatedly fix the problem
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 09:45 PM by 5thGenDemocrat
GM had fixed the problem before Mister Perfect's book ever came out.
Nader was paid to write an expose and apparently had come to a conclusion before he even began to write it. As pointed out by Wright in the above post, the Corvair was fixed by the 1964 model year -- which means, of course, that the actual changes were put into the new model not later than July of 1963 or so and the suspension system was reengineered in toto the following year.
Saint Ralph's book wasn't even published long until after the fact.
As for that debt of gratitude, why don't you ask the consumers in Flint, Detroit, Saginaw, Bay City and the other GM towns who lost their good, union GM jobs because of the cancellation of the Corvair what we think of Nader?
Bunkie Knudsen was, in fact, the man who beat "the bastards" from within General Motors and got the necessary changes made. Nader the Prevaricator didn't even have the honesty or integrity to mention that the Corvair design trumpeted as "Unsafe at Any Speed" had been corrected by the time his book was printed. And the Corvairs on the dealer lots as his screed came out were, in truth, perfectly safe.
As to deaths occurring, which I do not nor did I dispute, how about those bastards at Ford Motor Company who approved the Pinto ten years later? I guess Saint Ralph put the kibosh on that, didn't he?
You can thank the guy if you wish. I say he's a hatchet man and I'll stick by that.
John
I'll thank Bunkie Knudsen, who is the man who truly deserves it.
Nothing personal. Your interpretation may vary.

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Isere Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:30 PM
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21. "I wouldn't piss on Saint Ralph if he was on fire"
Oh, 5th Gen, you have recited my mantra! My father used that expression frequently and there is none other to match it when the occasion requires.

To paraphrase another great Dem, "who gives a rat's what Ralph thinks?."

Ralph is the last person on the planet to instruct humans how to behave.

As for lead-footed Jankelow, it's time for him to go.

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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:14 PM
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22. "Janklow -- Unsafe at Any Speed"
Good enough for everybody? Enjoy the Labor Day weekend, all.
And those who want a more positive take on Nader and GM should read David Halberstam's "The Reckoning" (William Morrow and Company, New York, 1986). David would probably disagree with me on the matter and I admire him greatly as a writer.
John
I'm going down to see the Tigers Saturday night (vs Chicago). It will be my seventh game this season and so far the Tigers have lost all six. THAT'S a real made-in-Detroit disaster for you.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:38 PM
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24. Of course, morningtheft.....St. Ralph of the Vehicular Immaculate
is beyond any and all reproach! Behold His rumpled beneficence and gaze lovingly unto Him, never doubting His omniscient presence and utter glory. Praise be unto St. Ralph, Amen.

Of course, I'm going over the top....I admired Nader for his consumer advocacy and his defense of those in America who do not have a voice. However, you ask why some of us never miss an opportunity to "throw a dig", as you say, towards St. Ralph. For me, it's because I just can't seem to get the sound bite out of my head...."Democrats and Republicans are the same party"....AAARGH.
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UnapologeticLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:27 PM
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23. Agreed
Well said

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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:51 PM
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5. Yep, even if he were a Democrat, it's the right thing to do
Make that, especially if he were a Democrat. We have higher standards than the Repukes.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:04 PM
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6. Is Nader even relevant?
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:09 PM
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7. I don't like him...
but who else is asking for his resignation?

Daschle should, for example...
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:13 PM
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8. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 03:13 PM by The Zanti Regent
Nader, the Cheap Opportunist™ strikes again.

Nader the Greedy Pig doesn't ask Bush to resign, $in¢e that little piggy love$ tho$e Tax ¢ut$ too mu¢h!
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:56 PM
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12. The only way to tell someone is an opportunist
is 1. He/she admits they hopped on the opportunity.
2. You can read minds

He hasn't done #1, and I seriously doubt you can read minds. He may be using the opportunity for personal gain, or he really thinks the man should resign. We don't know which is it because we can't read minds.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:46 PM
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18. read arcos' question: who else is calling for Janklow to resign?
in the absence of other high-profile newsmakers calling for Janklow's head, i think Nader's call is very appropriate. you may not like him, but when he's right, he's right. and in this case, he is right.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:14 PM
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9. he should step down
even if temporarily until everything is settled

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NewJerseyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:08 PM
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15. temporarily?
How can he do that? He can't just go on a vacation from the House of Representatives for a few months and then come back. I don't know if he should necessarily resign. He isn't even charged with anything yet. Also, it isn't like he can't serve adequately in the House of Representatives for the near future. A lot of democrats have done bad and I don't think many people here were probably telling them to resign.
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:44 PM
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17. NJDem
do a google search, and read up on the history of Bill Janklow.

He should have never ascended to power, after two rapes and myriad motor vehicle violations.

Janklow has a long history of driving like a lunatic. He ran the stop sign at 70-75 mph - and killed Randy Scott. He's now trying to say he swerved to avoid another car. Trouble is - he's used the phantom vehicle defense at least 3 times before, including the time he hit a bus in Rapid City. He's been nurtured and cared for by the Republicans and the FBI - and it's time for him to go. He's been protected long enough.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:36 PM
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10. With Janklow Behind the Wheel......
...any car he operates is "Unsafe At Any Speed".

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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:00 PM
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13. Ralph forgot that being Republican means never having to say you're sorry
Unless you're Reagan . . . then you say you're sorry you were once a Democrat before you got shown the money.
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:02 PM
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14. I concur. (n/t)
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:44 PM
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25. Ha-ha-ha! Hee-hee-hee!
Wait! Stop! Are you telling me, ha-ha, that St. Ralph is asking someone else to step down for the good of the people?!! Ha-ha-ha! That's too funny!
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dad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 12:13 AM
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27. Ralph Nader is like a saint coming down to earth and live amongst us
Gore screwed it up for Nader in '00. Ralph should be in the Oval Office right now running things!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:59 PM
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26. HEY NADER, YOU SORRY F****
"the taking of lives by a "president" relentlessly bent on turning his misadministation into a lawless, dangerous missile." Sound like anyone YOU HELPED INSTALL?????
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bigwoody Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 01:09 AM
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28. I call on nader to apologize for putting the weasels in office. Fuck him!
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